Matchday 1

[PendlePie]

Your squad depth is shite then mate

Whose fault is that?

You must be getting it now...

 

[Cooldude]

I don't see it as grim as that, if Arsenal appoint a top class manage,r say Simeone (unlikely but an example), and spend a bit of money, I think they'll be right up there immediately

 

[Gak Attack]

Arsenal tend to get decent players when they actually spend. Have no doubt if they threw around the cash and spend even close to what United has the last few seasons and changed managers they would win a title considering they're never far off anyway.

 

[jod23]

You are right. That's what I said but at the time, coutinho had the ball, Moreno went to offer width but in that time he's passed it to Lallana and Morenos probably seen it too late but the fault for me, lies with Lallana more. You can't be losing possession in your own half as your teammates get caught out and a good side counters that at a fast pace.

Lallana shouldnt be losing the ball in his own half true. But if your defenders are half decent we should be well positioned to counter losing the ball in a dangerous area. Clyne is good. Lovren, golden. Ragnar, solid. Oh where's Moreno?

The minute Coutinho passes the ball to Lallana, Moreno should stop and turn back. He doesnt. But that was just one dumb thing out of many he did last night. He's a huge liability.

 

[jod23]

Not sure you're looking at the problem from the right perspective.

The complete lack of regard shown towards fans and members by Kroenke/Gazidis/Wenger is nothing short of disgraceful, especially in the post-stadium years. The fans are lied to and treated like morons. The club has totally reneged on its stated objectives/ambitions post-stadium construction - the very ones it used to convince and reassure supporters were the main purposes behind the stadium (and associated short- and medium-term pain at the time, in the form of flogging off all our good players) in the first place.

The club has, quite obviously, been content to charge supporters top dollar for tickets (fair enough), but with false promises of focusing on achieving on-field objectives (competing for league/European titles) and taking the next step, so to speak. Gazidis and Wenger spin complete bullshit in the media and treat the fans as fools. A lot of talk about money, could-be signings, would've-been signings, supposedly aiming to win titles.

Over the past decade, Wenger has never been proactive over the course of a transfer window. The squad is consistently short of being adequate to properly compete (for no apparent reason - as "we have money" and "money isn't a problem", so we're told). It's negligent management, and plain disrespectful to consistently spit in the face of supporters with ridiculously hypocritical, contradictory statements and interviews. Wenger has preached all summer about the need to shore up defensively and up top (in fact, he does this every ******* summer). His solution? To do absolutely nothing about it, let the squad get to the point where it's incapable of competing at the required level (in the first game of the season, at home, to ******* Liverpool) and cite the exact same reasons he spun out three months earlier as the cause. Complete and utter madness.

It's careless at best, negligent at worst. Always taking unnecessary risks by heading into seasons with threadbare squads and whinging and moaning about it afterwards (never has a man cried "woe is me" as much as Wenger). It's rightly worn thin on fans, to the point where a majority would sacrifice a place in the stupid top 4 just to see someone with ambition, honesty and transparency come in.

If Wenger signs Mustafi and Mahrez and/or Lacazette, or whoever, and we come 5th, so be it - at least the campaigner had a crack. He seeks to set the bar low and absolve himself of any real responsibility and pressure. No position in world football is as secure as Wenger's, and it's blatantly obvious to me that he's incapable of winning a league title. Now, if you felt Klopp had 0% of leading you to a league title during his tenure, wouldn't you want him replaced? Because that's exactly how Arsenal supporters (rightly) feel about the man in charge of our club.

You feel you have 0% chance to win the league? Crazy.

Is blokes like Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Xhaka not enough? Liverpool have never bought anyone as high profile or for as much money as someone like Ozil. I just think Arsenal fans sometimes thing league titles are theirs by right and for some reason Wenger is stopping this from happening.

It's incredibly hard to win a league title. Now more so than ever with the money in the league and particularly the money that City, Chelsea and United have. Do I think you should have bought a few more players, yeah of course, but the window isnt shut.

If the window closes and all you have done is brought in Holding and Xhaka then fair enough, have a whinge. But for a club that continuously has CL football and just recently won back to back FA Cups, the supporter base for me, seems a little ungrateful.

 

[PendlePie]

You feel you have 0% chance to win the league? Crazy.

Is blokes like Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Xhaka not enough? Liverpool have never bought anyone as high profile or for as much money as someone like Ozil. I just think Arsenal fans sometimes thing league titles are theirs by right and for some reason Wenger is stopping this from happening.

It's incredibly hard to win a league title. Now more so than ever with the money in the league and particularly the money that City, Chelsea and United have. Do I think you should have bought a few more players, yeah of course, but the window isnt shut.

If the window closes and all you have done is brought in Holding and Xhaka then fair enough, have a whinge. But for a club that continuously has CL football and just recently won back to back FA Cups, the supporter base for me, seems a little ungrateful.

Yep, 0%. He's incapable of winning one - tactically, list-wise, mentality wise. What's the use of those players if you have Flamini at DM for half a season with an injured Kim Kallstrom as backup? Or a couple of kids at CB during the season? Or Walcott as striker (a player who Wenger has overseen for 10 seasons, yet still can't name his most effective position)? Or only one fit specialist striker in the entire squad? Or a bunch of injury-prone midfielders who consistently spend 3-4 months out injured per season?

Edit: Check Ozil's chance created stats for last season, and the missed chance stats for our attacking players and strikers. Sums the problem up quite well. Players of his calibre are essentially wasted talents as long as Wenger stays stuck in his negligent ways.

Like I said - we want to see him have a crack. We expect our manager to act as if he wants to actually win a title. And by making negligent decisions year upon year to refuse to pay up for required players, he evidently isn't doing this. We don't expect the actual ******* title, and by saying that it shows you don't understand the problem.

Like you said - I'll reserve full judgment until the end of the window. But Wenger is dead as a manager if he doesn't do something decent with the limited time he has left this window.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Maybe we are more ambitious than that?

You beat half a reserve team. Get off your high horse.

Without their no.1 Striker. Best centre half. No.1 GK and the worst LB in the league. All while their best CM started on the bench.
Yes, you were weak, particularly at the back but it's not like Liverpool were full strength either.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Not sure you're looking at the problem from the right perspective.

The complete lack of regard shown towards fans and members by Kroenke/Gazidis/Wenger is nothing short of disgraceful, especially in the post-stadium years. The fans are lied to and treated like morons. The club has totally reneged on its stated objectives/ambitions post-stadium construction - the very ones it used to convince and reassure supporters were the main purposes behind the stadium (and associated short- and medium-term pain at the time, in the form of flogging off all our good players) in the first place.

What I am hoping our lack of activity and subsequent positive net spends are sort of doing. Saving for the stadium, in part, now as it's being built as opposed to 5+ years of Arsenal like austerity and excuses/motives to stagnate and not loosen the purse strings after the fact.

The club has, quite obviously, been content to charge supporters top dollar for tickets (fair enough), but with false promises of focusing on achieving on-field objectives (competing for league/European titles) and taking the next step, so to speak. Gazidis and Wenger spin complete bullshit in the media and treat the fans as fools. A lot of talk about money, could-be signings, would've-been signings, supposedly aiming to win titles.

Seems like either there is no money (bollocks) or they're just plain negligent.

Simply making one very good signing each window isn't good enough for a perrenial CL competitor. Cech, Sanchez and Ozil in 3 respective summer windows ensure(d) top 4. but it's the bare minimum. Other clubs with deeper pockets buy 2, 3, 4 players of that calibre and lift trophies more regularly. It's why I am critical of our window. It's great to have had the stiffest defence, the golden boot winner and quality young players but other richer and more cavalier spending clubs will spend more and stream past at a rate of knots. A problem Arsenal I think suffers from.
This season it likely won't be enough. It is eminently possible both NL clubs will be playing on Thursday nights next season

Over the past decade, Wenger has never been proactive over the course of a transfer window. The squad is consistently short of being adequate to properly compete (for no apparent reason - as "we have money" and "money isn't a problem", so we're told). It's negligent management, and plain disrespectful to consistently spit in the face of supporters with ridiculously hypocritical, contradictory statements and interviews. Wenger has preached all summer about the need to shore up defensively and up top (in fact, he does this every ******* summer). His solution? To do absolutely nothing about it, let the squad get to the point where it's incapable of competing at the required level (in the first game of the season, at home, to ******* Liverpool) and cite the exact same reasons he spun out three months earlier as the cause. We'll build into Christmas and collapse afterwards, almost always due to injury and said threadbare squad. Wenger not only uses it as an excuse, but he repeats the same mistakes season on season. It's complete and utter madness.

It's careless at best, negligent at worst. Always taking unnecessary risks by heading into seasons with threadbare squads and whinging and moaning about it afterwards (never has a man cried "woe is me" as much as Wenger). It's rightly worn thin on fans, to the point where a majority would sacrifice a place in the stupid top 4 just to see someone with ambition, honesty and transparency come in.

If Wenger signs Mustafi and Mahrez and/or Lacazette, or whoever, and we come 5th, so be it - at least the campaigner had a crack. But he seeks to set the bar lower and absolve himself of any real responsibility and pressure. Top 4 for a club if Arsenal's stature has been a fairly cruisy proposition until recently, and Wenger shouldn't be considered the answer and right person just because he gets us 3rd or 4th every season. No position in world football is as secure as Wenger's, and it's blatantly obvious to me that he's incapable of winning a league title. Now, if you felt Klopp had 0% of leading you to a league title during his tenure, wouldn't you want him replaced? Because that's exactly how Arsenal supporters (rightly) feel about the man in charge of our club.

Shouldn't really be an excuse the last summer window (where you bought no outfield players. wtf!) or this window with UCL Group stage confirmed, if you're CL Play-off or EL qualified like we both usually are then you can understand to an extent some business taking longer to arrange. But no excuses this window at all. Not being ready for MD1 is negligence that frankly I'd be furious at.
We're not as active obviously with less holes to fill but got the DM (to cover Dembele's suspension) done early. Utd, City and even Everton have got business done. Stones out.... Williams in... Like that.

Not having a centre half when one was needed before injuries is just too complacent. With that mindset it's no wonder you haven't won the league in 12 years. The fact you're relying on us ****ing up to be higher should really be a warning bell that standards have slipped.

 

[jod23]

Without their no.1 Striker. Best centre half. No.1 GK and the worst LB in the league. All while their best CM started on the bench.
Yes, you were weak, particularly at the back but it's not like Liverpool were full strength either.

I feel dirty.

 

[PendlePie]

What I am hoping our lack of activity and subsequent positive net spends are sort of doing. Saving for the stadium, in part, now as it's being built as opposed to 5+ years of Arsenal like austerity and excuses/motives to stagnate and not loosen the purse strings after the fact.


Seems like either there is no money (bollocks) or they're just plain negligent.

Simply making one very good signing each window isn't good enough for a perrenial CL competitor. Cech, Sanchez and Ozil in 3 respective summer windows ensure(d) top 4. but it's the bare minimum. Other clubs with deeper pockets buy 2, 3, 4 players of that calibre and lift trophies more regularly. It's why I am critical of our window. It's great to have had the stiffest defence, the golden boot winner and quality young players but other richer and more cavalier spending clubs will spend more and stream past at a rate of knots. A problem Arsenal I think suffers from.
This season it likely won't be enough. It is eminently possible both NL clubs will be playing on Thursday nights next season


Shouldn't really be an excuse the last summer window (where you bought no outfield players. wtf!) or this window with UCL Group stage confirmed, if you're CL Play-off or EL qualified like we both usually are then you can understand to an extent some business taking longer to arrange. But no excuses this window at all. Not being ready for MD1 is negligence that frankly I'd be furious at.
We're not as active obviously with less holes to fill but got the DM (to cover Dembele's suspension) done early. Utd, City and even Everton have got business done. Stones out.... Williams in... Like that.

Not having a centre half when one was needed before injuries is just too complacent. With that mindset it's no wonder you haven't won the league in 12 years. The fact you're relying on us ******* up to be higher should really be a warning bell that standards have slipped.

Nailed it.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Not Matchday 1. I'm on their bandwagon this weekend. Go Kloppster!

I feel dirty.

You had a one matchday playing Arse amnesty

 

[Magma]

when a team brings in 331 mil pounds of revenue and just wants to consolidate top 4 and have a cup run, then bloody hell.

in comparison we bring in 353 mil pounds, chelsea 319 and liverpool 298. for wenger to pretend the money isnt there or there arent the right players (****ing laughable) is just ridiculous, and wore think about 5 years ago.

 

[Latro]

Everyone knows that this is the last season with Ozil and Alexis. No way they sign extensions

 

[PendlePie]

Everyone knows that this is the last season with Ozil and Alexis. No way they sign extensions

Both deserve a much better shot at trophies than Wenger is offering them right now. They'd be silly to stay.

 

[RossFC]

Without their no.1 Striker. Best centre half. No.1 GK and the worst LB in the league. All while their best CM started on the bench.
Yes, you were weak, particularly at the back but it's not like Liverpool were full strength either.

I feel with this type of harmony the combined Spurs/Pool XI we make every week would now smash the league

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Both deserve a much better shot at trophies than Wenger is offering them right now. They'd be silly to stay.

Which I'd find amusing if their departure and subsequent fan uproar saw the impetus to buy a world class player after the ship had sailed.

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

Everyone knows that this is the last season with Ozil and Alexis. No way they sign extensions

Ozil will be a great replacement for Rooney next year. We'll offer 60m and Wenger will talk about the profit he's made.

 

[DBAH0]

Anyone picking an upset for tonight's game?

 

[bok_party]

Anyone picking an upset for tonight's game?

Na I think west Ham have this wrapped up.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Na I think west Ham have this wrapped up.

GMTA. Thought of doing the same troll

 

[RossFC]

Anyone picking an upset for tonight's game?

I've tipped Chelsea 1-0 via cheap early goal then bus tactics, but hope you guys put some energy and flash into the game to make it exciting.

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

Chelsea v West Ham will be a draw imo. Payet not at full fitness and lots of new players to be integrated. Chelsea will be looking to move up from midtable irrelevance but I think it'll take them a few games to click.

 

[SM]

And here comes the salt.

Lol a reserve team. Your squad depth is shite then mate. Cheers for the three points.

.. And that's why they aren't happy. You just said they have nothing to be unhappy about.

 

[chef]

Good game so far we're looking pretty dangerous.

 

[RossFC]

Great pass from Conte