Roast Matt Rosa

[Coast Guard]

Sheppard is the OM who I'd put in his stead. Perhaps Butler could play that role too.

I'm completely against Swift's use on a wing. He's a ball winner, not receiver. Swift would spud it up on a wing.

Swift definitely shouldn't be used on the wing! Sheppard could - but only a confident Sheppard. I like the kid a lot but when his confidence is down he turns the ball over too easily. For that reason I don't know if he's ready for that just yet.

Rosa will get another shot.. but if he keeps playing this poorly he's probably lucky that Dalziell has gone down with a knee.. im not advocating that Dalziell would be the permanent replacement.. but he'd probably be the next choice down the line if we did have to drop Rosa (considering he came in already earlier in the year.)

 

[WCEWildChild]

Lewis Stevenson on the Wing please!!!! Stevenson swap for Rosa.

 

[bunsen burner]

One question that occurs to me is If we drop Rosa with whom do we replace him ?

Shepard.

 

[tesseract]

Just because the joke conveniently tied into what Bunsen was saying, it's not your place to be telling Bunsen what his motivation for that joke was. He made the comment and said it was a joke, so who're you, I or anyone else to say otherwise?

Key word here is "Conveniently".. I believe him when he says its a joke. I disagree that its separately motivated just to get a laugh. If a joke is in direct relation to a common point its still apart of a point. This tactic is used by politicians all the time. One could argue that it was or wasn't but we'd go in circles.

One can hide behind a joke. A joke doesn't make it one's opinion. Even if it did conveniently coincide, as in this situation, Bunsen stated it was a joke, and through subsequent posts of his shows that it wasn't intended to be making a statement in continuance of his previous opinions.

I could quite easily make an argument for why a joke could make part of an opinion. If i made repetitive comments about how I thought Irish people are stupid (i dont btw for our Irish friends ) - and then made an Irish joke - the correlation is too obvious to ignore. If I offend someone with my Irish joke I cant then go - 'it was a joke you window licker' and then expect them to believe me that my opinion is separate from my joke.

Whether the joke was Bunsen's first post or whatever number, it's irrelevant. You made a big song and dance over a joke, now you're trying to justify it with some faulty and presumptuous reasoning.

One post is hardly a big song a dance. If it was a joke and I missed it - wouldn't it just be easier of him to say - "I was joking CG calm down" - rather than get defensive and sarcastic? That type of reaction points towards the fact that it was apart of his point. All through the thread his reactions to people opposed to his opinions have earned such a response.

Bunsen is allowed to speak as to Rosa's character. (Within the confines of the law.) It's his opinion. You're free to rebut what he says.

We're not debating this.

But, you can't speak as to someone elses motivation when you don't have the ability to read someone elses thoughts so as to know for certain.

Again, I call a spade a spade - i think his motivation is quite clearly revealed through his posts, even if it isnt clear to you. If you want to dance around the grey your entitled to. But I think its a little rich to call what im saying presumptuous and faulty when so much of what your saying can be fairly argued against as well.

Given Bunsen has stated that this supposed statement that you presumed came from the joke he made is nothing more than a joke, that's all that needs to be said to show that you're wrong to label the joke as "trying to make a statement."

This is a matter of opinions. Your logic works for you. Mine works for me. I dont see the point in debating this past this point. Its been fun though.



I agree Tess. I agree.

You saying it's separately motivated is baseless because you can't know Bunsen's motivation, you only suspect, and that's guessing.
'Convenient' isn't the key word in that. The joke was just as likely to be opportunistic.

I'm sure you could make an argument for why a joke could make part of an opinion, but it'd have no relevance to this. Like I've already said: 'there's no one size fits all' rule whereby your example makes it valid in another situation.
If Bunsen's joke offended you, for example, he can go on to say it was a joke, if that was his intent. Whether you believe it was a joke or not is irrelevant, because you can't read Bunsen's mind so as to know his intent. Your correlation argument is in vain, as you're only guessing his motivation for reeling it off. Guesses don't make for a strong argument.

Multiple posts, post#58 included. But what makes it a big song and dance is your subsequent posts after missing the obvious joke initially. I read Bunsen's post#45 as more or less replying 'derp!' in a sarcastic way, again making a joke out of your missing the joke at the time. It was a harmless comment. It's at that point you got your back up and started the tit for tat in post#51.
In posts#52 and #54, Bunsen said he was joking, but that didn't stop you from dismissing his claim of such and going on to take it seriously in post#58.
Bunsen's type of reaction is irrelevant and doesn't point to anything other than a typically known Bunsen response given the situation. You're once again making up Bunsen's motivation to suit yourself.

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Calling a spade a spade is misplaced in this situation. You're clearly wrong in regards to Bunsen's motivation because you're speaking for him. You can't do that, no one can.
I can see why you think his motivation is what you believe, but your assessment is based on what you want to believe - an educated guess, rather than anything that can actually be proven. It's your word vs his in regards to his comment and its intent. Given the intent could only be known to him unless he reveals it, you can't rightfully make statements as to something that could only be known to him. Given he stated it was a joke, we have no choice but to take him at his word. Therefore, your alternative theory as to his motivation is presumptuous and faulty. It's not rich of me to say so. It's simply how it is.

It's not a matter of opinion at all. Only Bunsen can speak as to what he intended. I said this in my last post to you, so I'm starting to think that you're falling behind in understanding of something I'm explaining clearly.
Your supposed logic in this matter isn't really logic. It's guess work. I've already explained many a time as to why this is the case.

 

[tesseract]

Fair enough. Another question is, should Rosa then be dropped out of the team altogether or start on the bench or as the substitute ?

I'd have Gaff and Rosa as starting wingers, then have Sheppard start on the bench, but be in the rotation for that role.

Rosa's form has been down, but I'm not of the opinion that he should be dropped yet. Give him to the bye to work it out. If Sheppard keeps consistently performing decently, then a change should be made to the starting role, along with minutes played.

With Embley and Dalziell down, WC won't likely be forcing a change hastily due to form, as Sheppard is still trying to find his way at AFL level. They'll give Rosa every opportunity to work out his issues.

 

[swannies]

Did anyone notice the number of times he committed to marking contests and got smashed in the second half?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Did anyone notice the number of times he committed to marking contests and got smashed in the second half?

Don't talk sense.

 

[Biggie]

Was much harder this week.

There was a contest where two St's came at him hard (bro) and he took the contact from both and managed to get a clean handball away to a running WCE player.

Was good.

 

[wce4premiership]

Rosa owns you all.
He's perfect for our gameplan and his kicking improved today as well, amazing what a week does. Team is looking very nice atm.

 

[September_Glory]

Look like he made a concerted effort to go in hard today. The contest Biggie referred to was a perfect example, his contested ball winning was really good.

Good bounce back performance from Rosa.

 

[Chris_6678]

Definatly had a way better game 7/10 for me.

 

[Public Enemy No1]

Played a good game today...

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Did anyone notice the number of times he committed to marking contests and got smashed in the second half?

Thats vintage Rosa.

Exactly what he has been doing for the last couple of years, game after game.

Taking saving marks on the wing or in the backline. Going back with the flight of the ball and getting crunched.

Waters is not the lone hand in this regard....

 

[wce4premiership]

Hopefully he gets more leeway next time. Has been very good for us the past 2 years.

 

[East coast eagle]

Rosa owns you all.
He's perfect for our gameplan and his kicking improved today as well, amazing what a week does. Team is looking very nice atm.

Yep... Good on ya Matty, couple of off days doesnt mean the end..

 

[Chris_6678]

Its a myth that he is soft....he was very underdone at the beginning of the year and to people thinking we should trade him because he is not A+ are nuts as you always need your hard workers to compliment your guns.

 

[swannies]

Thats vintage Rosa.

Exactly what he has been doing for the last couple of years, game after game.

Taking saving marks on the wing or in the backline. Going back with the flight of the ball and getting crunched.

Waters is not the lone hand in this regard....

That was me being polite to those who keep saying he is soft. In some way I'm trying to enlighten them, get them to open their observatory senses, not view through beer focals.

I thought he was dead in one of those contests, expected to see the undertaker scraping his carcass off the Subi turf.....

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Did anyone notice Koby Stevens one handed attempt at a mark yesterday then a quick turnover ? I think he is one of the many players we have had over the years that is too good for WAFL but not good enough for AFL.

 

[Goldfish]

Did anyone notice Koby Stevens one handed attempt at a mark yesterday then a quick turnover ? I think he is one of the many players we have had over the years that is too good for WAFL but not good enough for AFL.

I think it is way too early to make that call... The kid had 20 minutes to play and almost tried too hard imo. He certainly willed himself to almost every contest (he was everywhere), I for one hope he gets a decent run at it but knowing our match committee will be dropped for Priddis.

Won't be surprised if he has a successful career elsewhere if he choses to leave at the end of this season, and that isn't a good thing for us.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Did anyone notice Koby Stevens one handed attempt at a mark yesterday then a quick turnover ? I think he is one of the many players we have had over the years that is too good for WAFL but not good enough for AFL.

Seriously? If is was anything yesterday he was good, hell he's not even suited to the sub role.

Yeah he failed to get two hands to the ball after out bodying his opponent, he's played nine career games.

Keeper.

 

[swannies]

Seriously?

Don't get the criticism either, but hey.... I suppose I could always name one of my zombies Jack?

 

[sydney eagle]

I think that Rosa got the "soft" tag originally because a lot of his tackles failed to "stick" when he first arrived at the club. I'm not sure whether that is still the case however.

 

[wce4premiership]

It's a term often used for outside players, which rosa has always been. People don't seem to understand that being an outside player doesn't make you soft, he goes when it's his turn.

 

[Prem87]

Played a good game on the weekend, probably his best for the year. As others have said had a injury interrupted preseason so he was always behind the 8ball. Hopefully he can get back to his 2011 form - was arguably our most improved player.

 

[September_Glory]

Ahem...