Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 2) - Full Support of the Board

[Mr_Moogle]

"We don't take your support for granted.

Also, after seven years out of the finals our response to any concerns that you might hold is go **** yourself, and pay up next year for more of the same".

...and they will.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Its not a lie - The last 3 seasons they did improve from 14th - 13th - 8th.

At some point claiming that the difference between 15th with 28 points and 14th with 32 is a meaningful improvement is somewhat insulting to your fans.

Especially when we're almost certainly headed for a comparable result this year.

It suggests a plateau with a 2023 outlier not a consistent upwards trend.

 

[George Kramer]

Well I’ve responded to Silvers since he emailed me personally, suggest more do the same.

He’s my new Waynus

 

[AFC979810]

At some point claiming that the difference between 15th with 28 points and 14th with 32 is a meaningful improvement is somewhat insulting to your fans.

Especially when we're almost certainly headed for a comparable result this year.

Of all the things to pick on - this aint it.

We improved (albeit marginally) for three consecutive seasons. The club wasn't lying or trying to be deceitful in this statement, it was just stating that facts.

It suggests a plateau with a 2023 outlier not a consistent upwards trend.

Nah the data suggests otherwise. Ending ladder position.

18th - 15th - 14th - 10th. Thats an upwards trend.

 

[relapse]

At some point claiming that the difference between 15th with 28 points and 14th with 32 is a meaningful improvement is somewhat insulting to your fans.

Especially when we're almost certainly headed for a comparable result this year.

It suggests a plateau with a 2023 outlier not a consistent upwards trend.

If you dig a bit deeper into 2023 we had a favourable draw (playing both North Melbourne and West Coast twice) and an extra home game.

Maybe the jump from 2022 to 2023 isn't anywhere near as big as the club wants us to believe.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Of all the things to pick on - this aint it.

We improved (albeit marginally) for three consecutive seasons. The club wasn't lying or trying to be deceitful in this statement, it was just stating that facts.



Nah the data suggests otherwise.

18th - 14th - 13th - 8th. Thats an upwards trend.

It's only an upward trend if you deliberately ignore the most recent data point- that we're returning to the 2021-2022 range and presently 15th.

2021 and 2022 were fifteenth and fourteenth.

 

[Southerntakeover]

If you dig a bit deeper into 2023 we had a favourable draw (playing both North Melbourne and West Coast twice) and an extra home game.

Maybe the jump from 2022 to 2023 isn't anywhere near as big as the club wants us to believe.

And Tex burning brightest before his end.

 

[Scorpus]

If you dig a bit deeper into 2023 we had a favourable draw (playing both North Melbourne and West Coast twice) and an extra home game.

Maybe the jump from 2022 to 2023 isn't anywhere near as big as the club wants us to believe.

Wins Excluding Against Teams With a % <= 80
2020 - 3
2021 - 5
2022 - 4
2023 - 6
2024 - 2 so far

 

[1970crow]

For all the nonsense that we get fed on this board about playing kids being the path way to a Melbourne forever rebuild, we're actually more than half way towards their 12 year drought already (with all signs being that we need to go back to the drawing board and the end is nowhere near in sight).

I thought Kristof was funny the other day. Saying that if you don't draft your KPPs early in your rebuild, you'll end up like North Melbourne. Now, I'm not saying that they haven't been horrific the last few years, but we're not exactly in a position to yet state either way whether their rebuild strategy is better or worse than ours. We climbed off the bottom to the 11/12 area much quicker, but does that mean we'll taste premiership success sooner. Or even returning to the bottom of the 8 that we so desperately aspire to.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Its not a lie - The last 3 seasons they did improve from 14th - 13th - 8th.

This season is not done. Could win the last 9 in a row and finish 13-9-1 which was good enough for 5th in 2023.

Oh right. Their actual error is having regard to results in the current season at all.

 

[AFC979810]

It's only an upward trend if you deliberately ignore the most recent data point- that we're returning to the 2021-2022 range and presently 15th.

If you read what the Club wrote - they addressed this.

The club wrote - "After stripping back the Mens playing list right back, we have seen the team improve its ladder position season on season over the last three years".

This is 100% factually correct. We went from 18th to 15th to 14th to 10th. Old mate Scorpus said the club was lying - they weren't.

The club then meekly tries to address this years regression by saying that "History shows rebuilds never encompass steady and constant progression".

2021 and 2022 were fifteenth and fourteenth.

Which is improvement. And then the 2023 was 10th. So more improvement.

 

[Geoffa32]

Does it? They're basically writing this year down as a necessary step along the road to our inevitable rise.

After seven years in the wilderness, it's still manifest destiny. Nothing to see here.

Why would you extend the coach "knowing" there was a blip coming. You wouldn't do that.


They fully expected us to make Finals this year.

Now rewriting history suggesting a blip is part of the process.



No way Nicks gets extended if they thought we weren't playing Finals today.

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Gee wizz, I thought Powwa supporters were harsh on their club. We are getting as bad, if not worse than them!!!!

 

[Southerntakeover]

If you read what the Club wrote - they addressed this.

The club wrote - "After stripping back the Mens playing list right back, we have seen the team improve its ladder position season on season over the last three years".

This is 100% factually correct. We went from 18th to 15th to 14th to 10th. Old mate Scorpus said the club was lying - they weren't.

The club then meekly tries to address this years regression by saying that "History shows rebuilds never encompass steady and constant progression".




Which is improvement. And then the 2023 was 10th. So more improvement.

15th to 14th is static. It does not demonstrate improved performance in any meaningful way. It's more than within the margins of scheduling variances

Why is the club addressing regression at all, in your account? The seasons not over, that nine game winning streak...

If we do take account of this year, there isn't an upward trend.

I could care less if they're lying. The alternative, that they wrongly believe there's an established trend of merit, is still sackable.

 

[clinto69]

What annoys me is that I reckon Port will have a fair crack at Buckley. They already bought some of his divorce estate and tacked it up on their walls. While the club is defending Nicks as our next Premiership Coach. Say what you like about Buckley as a coach you would surely want him before Nicks.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Gee wizz, I thought Powwa supporters were harsh on their club. We are getting as bad, if not worse than them!!!!

I kind of like their hostility actually. I wish our supporters were more like that.

 

[jackster83]

Gee wizz, I thought Powwa supporters were harsh on their club. We are getting as bad, if not worse than them!!!!

Yeah, imagine having expectations of being competent.

 

[AFC979810]

15th to 14th is static. It does not demonstrate improved performance in any meaningful way. It's more than within the margins of scheduling variances

Wrong. 14 is better than 15.

Why is the club addressing regression at all, in your account? The seasons not over, that nine game winning streak...

The club is trying to paint themselves in the best possible light.

If we do take account of this year, there isn't an upward trend.

They meekly addressed it as I mentioned above. But there was an upward trend from 2020 - 2021 - 2022 - 2023. Thats the key point.

I could care less if they're lying. The alternative, that they wrongly believe there's an established trend of merit, is still sackable.

You should.

 

[AFC979810]

Oh right. Their actual error is having regard to results in the current season at all.

The club is all kinds of F***ed. Nobody is disputing that.

I am arguing that they didn't lie as your mate Scorpus suggested.

 

[Scorpus]

The club is all kinds of F***ed. Nobody is disputing that.

I am arguing that they didn't lie as your mate Scorpus suggested.

They said we improved our ladder position "over the last three years" then stopped counting results in September of 2023.

It's a purposeful lie to hide our shit results in 2024 so far

 

[Southerntakeover]

Wrong. 14 is better than 15.



The club is trying to paint themselves in the best possible light.



They meekly addressed it as I mentioned above. But there was an upward trend from 2020 - 2021 - 2022 - 2023. Thats the key point.



You should.

Rather than selectively quoting, just answer me this: does a one ladder position difference in result demonstrate a meaningful improvement in the quality of our teams performance in your view?

 

[MRB37]

Very good post, BM.
This is astute:

I don't doubt Roo's motivation/s ie that he wants the best for the Club.
The problem is he thinks he's the best for the Club and as you pointed out he doesn't have a lot of people who challenge his opinions and/or decisions. Stellar player, ex-Captain and a Brownlow medal bestow undeservingly a lot of post-playing clout, but his influence far outweighs his Administrative abilities.

It's clear from his media work (dull commentary, a Master of stating-the-obvious), his puerile exchange with Greenwood (no doubt others we know nothing about) and his dismissive "they-can-barrack-for-another-team" comments that Roo is not the sharpest tool in the box, nor the most diplomatic.
One of our best-ever players, but nowhere near as good a Football Director.

In the club's defence a little bit, they have made several attempts to get someone like David Pittman on the board and I think he was even their first choice to take over from Chapman. He's a guy who has a good football background with success in business outside of football. They've never been able to convince him to come over though.

 

[AFC979810]

They said we improved our ladder position "over the last three years" then stopped counting results in September of 2023.

It's a purposeful lie to hide our shit results in 2024 so far

We did improve our ladder position over the past 3 years. 15th to 14th to 10th.

There is so much to be upset with the club about. Not sure why you need to try and make shit up.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

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This reads like a Wayne post.

 

[AFC979810]

Rather than selectively quoting, just answer me this: does a one ladder position difference in result demonstrate a meaningful improvement in the quality of our teams performance in your view?

Meaningful - not really.

But improvement? 100%