McCarthy goes home

[imperial_oz]

Crap!
Today's quotes from GWS and previous from his manager!

"He is known to have found not only the constancy of training difficult but that was compounded by the desire to be back home and to go out with his mates." - His manager Colin Young


"He certainly wants to finish his career in Western Australia. He wants to play football in Western Australia and be close to his family. - His manager Colin Young

His manager Colin Young warned last year when the Giants refused to trade him that his client would be back again next year wanting to be traded.

Do you think we're just making this shit up? Why sign on for two more years, there was a simple solution to this problem and McCarthy didn't go with it. Not getting much sympathy here i can tell you.

Giants chief executive Dave Matthews said the club had made a series of changes and allowances to better accommodate McCarthy since the trade did not go through but these had not alleviated the issues.

"There's no doubt he won't be playing with GWS when his contract is finished."

This is not some kids game, Football clubs invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into players, good players who they consider will be long term and they sign them to contracts in order to build a team for the future. When you enter the draft you know that you might just end up on the other side of the country. DEAL with it, if you don't want to be a part of GWS, tell them in the first place, step aside from the draft and wait another year. Do not sign contract extensions then cry out "i want to play with my mates" This isn't junior footy!
McCarthy has two years left to run on his contract at the Giants.


See the word contract twice in statements. His manager Colin Young needs to look up the meaning of that word!

In a word, yes!

The facts make a liar of you.

He signed an extension of his contract 5 months after being drafted and before he played a game. He extended for 3 years not 2, so again you are making factually incorrect comments. He extended more than 18 months prior to requesting a trade for personal reasons.

While you go about looking up facts and not invective, look up duty of care towards employees. Thats binding on the club as well.

Now deal with the health issues and stop pretending they don't exist. Even GWS has stopped that pretence. Losing 9 kg in 8 weeks is a pointer to serious issue, so maybe put that into the equation. You can poonce on about contracts all you when the guy is healthy enough to fulfill the contract. You might also want to consider the obligations go two ways. Its not slavery we have here.

 

[One_Wing]

Not Cam's.

My son wouldn't be a bitch ass cry-baby.

Sorry it was worse than what i siad you said.

 

[deflated]

There is absolutely nothing stopping him from going back home, getting a regular job, playing a bit of footy in a local comp and moving on from whatever ails him.
There is absolutely no incentive for GWS to allow a competitor to cover a weakness at their expense or give the impression that they're a feeder team for the Vic/WA/SA clubs.
There is no obvious way for him to continue his AFL career without playing for GWS or getting GWS on side with a trade.

He needs to make a decision about his life that doesn't require GWS to act against their own best interests (and no, trading him away at a cut rate is in no way in their best interests. They need to stop the bleeding).

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Mcarthy will get fat without a proper training regime.

Also think you will find GWS will play hardball and he'll have to sit a year out, not because they want to cause the boy harm, but to make a point to folks like Colin Young - Mcarthy is collateral damage here.

GWS are making a point that they will not be held hostage to agents like Young.

 

[Ben Johnson]

The Boyd deal is ridiculous and a once in the life time deal. You can't go into negotiations expecting bullshit like that every time.

That's where you have it wrong. You see Boyd was always going at the end of 2015. To the highest bidder, $$ wise.
When Griffen said he wanted out to us or he'd retire, Pickering got on the phone to the dogs, worked out contract terms and the Dogs then came to us in a position of power.

They knew they could get under the guard of every other Melbourne club in the comp for a gun KPF, number 1 draft pick, because of what Griffen had done to them.

They are not stupid at the Whitten Oval. They knew what they had to do to get their man. They did it.

You blokes at Freo should take a leaf out of their books. Learn how it's done. Instead of crying sweet salty tears over your keyboards because your Football department is run y a bunch of Oompa Loompas who couldn't organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of $50 notes.

 

[Back One Out]

Ive liked posts stating that the giants should stand tall. They have to look after themselves and the player.

This was always going to happen. The AFL planned for this. Other clubs were going to smell blood and cut them down to size. If the Giants come crashing back down to earth, then all of those priority picks won't amount to a hill of beans.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Sorry it was worse than what i siad you said.

Where's the "continually" part?

 

[ClockworkOrange]

GWS is a 20+ year project and its main objective was to get footy played in Sydney every weekend and to boost the TV rights deal for the Sydney market. From this perspective GWS and so far been a huge success and it would take a massive shift of thinking from the TV network and the AFL to change this.

Fair play jiphoc, that's a reasonable analysis of the AFL's commercial objectives.

In practice though, the AFL's commercial goals re the Giants will be realised in <10, not 20+, years.

No one wanted to see BBL Thunder cricket at Spotless five years ago, and the team were multiple wooden-spooners.

Now the stadium is a sellout, the team are premiers, and there's a waitlist for membership.

It's the same demographic (families with children playing junior sport from the West, North and South of Syd) at Giants games, but few of the interstate posters have ever been to Spotless and don't understand the logistics of Sydney.

The next phase of the Giants rise will be consistently finishing above the Swans on the ladder (just as the Thunder have eclipsed the SCG-based Sixers in cricket), and there are many 'neutrals' on this site who believe that will start in 2016.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Where's the "continually" part?

Bahahahahaha keep searching!

 

[kneecapper]

Although the situations aren't completely identical, it's very interesting to compare this debacle with the Lewis Jetta situation. Jetta wanted to head back home to WA so both clubs acted like adults and facilitated a reasonably fair trade (you can tell it was fair because neither clubs' supporters were completely happy with the outcome). Amazing what two professional clubs trading in good faith can accomplish.

It's baffling that Freo, who are in desperate need for a long term KPF solution wouldn't give up a decent but not top tier 23-27 y.o. player in a straight swap. If anyone has failed from a list management perspective it's the Dockers.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Although the situations aren't completely identical, it's very interesting to compare this debacle with the Lewis Jetta situation. Jetta wanted to head back home to WA so both clubs acted like adults and facilitated a reasonably fair trade (you can tell it was fair because neither clubs' supporters were completely happy with the outcome). Amazing what two professional clubs trading in good faith can accomplish.

It's baffling that Freo, who are in desperate need for a long term KPF solution wouldn't give up a decent but not top tier 23-27 y.o. player in a straight swap. If anyone has failed from a list management perspective it's the Dockers.

What was Jetta's contract situation mate?

 

[Giant Strides]

The facts make a liar of you. He signed an extension of his contract 5 months after being drafted and before he played a game. He extended for 3 years not 2, so again you are making factually incorrect comments.

Well, you too need to get your facts right. He was drafted in the 2013 draft, so his initial contract was for 2014-15. He extended in April 2014 to the end of the 2017 season - so the extended portion was 2 years.

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Although the situations aren't completely identical, it's very interesting to compare this debacle with the Lewis Jetta situation. Jetta wanted to head back home to WA so both clubs acted like adults and facilitated a reasonably fair trade (you can tell it was fair because neither clubs' supporters were completely happy with the outcome). Amazing what two professional clubs trading in good faith can accomplish.

It's baffling that Freo, who are in desperate need for a long term KPF solution wouldn't give up a decent but not top tier 23-27 y.o. player in a straight swap. If anyone has failed from a list management perspective it's the Dockers.

Agreed - but again this is a result of the agent.

Fun fact, Agent happens to be a sponsor of Fremantle Football Club - not sure how that works.

 

[WCErevival]

There is absolutely nothing stopping him from going back home, getting a regular job, playing a bit of footy in a local comp and moving on from whatever ails him.
There is absolutely no incentive for GWS to allow a competitor to cover a weakness at their expense or give the impression that they're a feeder team for the Vic/WA/SA clubs.
There is no obvious way for him to continue his AFL career without playing for GWS or getting GWS on side with a trade.

He needs to make a decision about his life that doesn't require GWS to act against their own best interests (and no, trading him away at a cut rate is in no way in their best interests. They need to stop the bleeding).

I dont think he can play anywhere if he is contracted to GWS.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Agreed - but again this is a result of the agent.

Fun fact, Agent happens to be a sponsor of Fremantle Football Club - not sure how that works.

What was Jetta's contract status at the end of 2015?

 

[Mr Commissioner]

What was Jetta's contract status at the end of 2015?

Couldn't tell you.

 

[kneecapper]

What was Jetta's contract situation mate?

He was out of contract but he wasn't a free agent so if a trade wasn't facilitated he could have ended up in the draft. Both clubs did the right thing by him to make sure he got back home.

 

[Giant Strides]

Although the situations aren't completely identical, it's very interesting to compare this debacle with the Lewis Jetta situation. Jetta wanted to head back home to WA so both clubs acted like adults and facilitated a reasonably fair trade (you can tell it was fair because neither clubs' supporters were completely happy with the outcome). Amazing what two professional clubs trading in good faith can accomplish.

It's baffling that Freo, who are in desperate need for a long term KPF solution wouldn't give up a decent but not top tier 23-27 y.o. player in a straight swap. If anyone has failed from a list management perspective it's the Dockers.

IIRC, Jetta was out of contract? That and the fact that he'd given a number of years of service to the Swans do make a significant difference to both the clubs' and fans' perceptions of what's fair. But it still needs the clubs to be pragmatic in dealing with each other.

In regards your second point, I think the fact is that GWS wouldn't just take a 'decent but not top tier 23-27 y.o.'. I don't think GWS was wrong in that stance. In fact, as others have said, I don't think either GWS or Freo were particularly wrong in the stance each took - they were both reasonable from their own perspective, there just was no mutually agreeable middle ground.

 

[Ben Johnson]

He was out of contract but he wasn't a free agent so if a trade wasn't facilitated he could have ended up in the draft. Both clubs did the right thing by him to make sure he got back home.

So it was exactly like the Jetta situation, except nothing at all like the Jetta situation.

Lads, let's put the professionalism of your clubs to one side, but please let's not overlook Cam still had 2 years on his contract with us.

We couldn't break even, we had to win the trade.

 

[imperial_oz]

Well, you too need to get your facts right. He was drafted in the 2013 draft, so his initial contract was for 2014-15. He extended in April 2014 to the end of the 2017 season - so the extended portion was 2 years.

Ok I'll rephrase that, he extended for 3 years from when he signed the extension.

Now, a challenge for you, deal with the important part of posts and not argue over semantics. The most important issue is his health, the rest is trivial.

Agree or not?

 

[Giant Strides]

I dont think he can play anywhere if he is contracted to GWS.

There's been a lot of discussion on this today. I don't know exactly what the contract says, but suspect this is exactly right - can't play anything, even park footy (for fear of injury), without GWS's permission. The interesting question is whether GWS might grant such permission, to keep him fit (which tends to help in issues of mental health), and to see if it helps him work through his issues. Even if they now agree to trade him at the end of the year, it might have (1) helped him sort his issues and hence (2) retain trade value (as a secondary consideration).

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Few people that have or are susceptible to mental health problems have this sort of foresight, even fewer of them would be 18 years old. You should learn to hold your mouth when people are talking about things you know nothing about.

I feel as though your anger is being misdirected.

Perhaps his parents SHOULD have had the foresight. They DID know cam for 19 odd years before he made the decision to sign a two year contract. And by all accounts they're a tight knit family. Surely he sought their opinion before signing the contract?

Oh, but now it's gws' responsibility to look after his welfare.

No one's holding him hostage. If his environment is not healthy for his mental well being, then he has a tough decision to make. The ball is entirely in his court. It just appears he doesn't like the alternative option.

As far as I'm concerned, gws are doing their best to accommodate him, and are looking after his welfare. Being forced into a trade they do not wish to make is outside of their responsibility.

 

[Messenger]

While you go about looking up facts and not invective, look up duty of care towards employees. Thats binding on the club as well.

Now deal with the health issues and stop pretending they don't exist. Even GWS has stopped that pretence. Losing 9 kg in 8 weeks is a pointer to serious issue, so maybe put that into the equation. You can poonce on about contracts all you when the guy is healthy enough to fulfill the contract. You might also want to consider the obligations go two ways. Its not slavery we have here.

Slavery. Please, stop. I take it the Giants are paying him.

 

[se17enteen]

It's baffling that Freo, who are in desperate need for a long term KPF solution wouldn't give up a decent but not top tier 23-27 y.o. player in a straight swap. If anyone has failed from a list management perspective it's the Dockers.

Are you new to AFL? No player from Fremantle wants to leave and join GWS. This isn't the NBA, you need players permission before you trade them.

COLA might help convince players to leave but a "certain cheating club" ruined that.

 

[kneecapper]

So it was exactly like the Jetta situation, except nothing at all like the Jetta situation.

I very specifically and deliberately said they weren't exactly alike (because of idiots like yourself who can't read). But we did have a player who wanted to go home and neither club held each other's feet to the fire at the possible cost of a player's personal welfare. West Coast could have easily said "We're not giving up a player." or Sydney could have said "We want more than just Sinclair" which would have resulted in a player possibly ending up somewhere he didn't want to go.