McCarthy goes home

[Mr Commissioner]

Ok I'll rephrase that, he extended for 3 years from when he signed the extension.

Now, a challenge for you, deal with the important part of posts and not argue over semantics. The most important issue is his health, the rest is trivial.

Agree or not?

I think it would absurd/shameful for Mcarthy and his management to feign mental health issues as a way out of the contract.

If it is legitimate, let's hope it isn't, then the boy should follow Mitch Clarke's behaviour, tell the club he cannot fulfil his contract obligations, refuse a pay cheque and walk away from the game and heal in a timeframe suitable for such an illness.

It will appalling and an affront to those who genuinely suffer from mental health issues if this is one giant rouse to get him home after making a decision to extend a contract and then want to renege once the ink had dried.

 

[imperial_oz]

Slavery. Please, stop. I take it the Giants are paying him.

I was referring to the one sided nature of some of the commenters who refuse to acknowledge that obligations go two ways but hey lets select one part and take it of context

 

[Forward Press]

I was referring to the one sided nature of some of the commenters who refuse to acknowledge that obligations go two ways but hey lets select one part and take it of context

There are some posters bandying the idea around, but to be fair there hasn't been any indication from GWS that they're not paying him.

Throwing words like 'slavery' around isn't helping the discussion, though.

 

[Giant Strides]

Ok I'll rephrase that, he extended for 3 years from when he signed the extension.

Now, a challenge for you, deal with the important part of posts and not argue over semantics. The most important issue is his health, the rest is trivial.

Agree or not?

The majority of your post was calling someone (a) a liar and (b) telling them to look up facts. I believe that you deserve to be called out if you can't get your own facts straight. And if you want to be semantically correct, then the extension was effectively 3 and 2/3 seasons.

Of course his health is important.

While you go about looking up facts and not invective, look up duty of care towards employees. Thats binding on the club as well.

Now deal with the health issues and stop pretending they don't exist. Even GWS has stopped that pretence. Losing 9 kg in 8 weeks is a pointer to serious issue, so maybe put that into the equation. You can poonce on about contracts all you when the guy is healthy enough to fulfill the contract. You might also want to consider the obligations go two ways. Its not slavery we have here.

But it's you (and many of your Freo posters) who are making all sorts of accusations against GWS regarding duty of care. Do you even know what GWS have actually done for Cam, both last year and since September? I'm betting you don't, and you're solely making accusations based on the outcome. And no-one knows what the actual problem is - everyone's just jumping to assumptions - to work out what needs to be done.

If it has indeed become a mental health issue, you might recall the man who drove off the Port Lincoln pier with his two sons. His wife, his family and his friends all knew he had issues. By your logic, the fact that they failed to prevent a tragic outcome occurring means that they didn't even try to help. Which is patently untrue. I think the invective all ways needs to be toned down.

 

[Messenger]

I was referring to the one sided nature of some of the commenters who refuse to acknowledge that obligations go two ways but hey lets select one part and take it of context

The section of your post I quoted retained its context.

Why do you suggest the Giants aren't fulfilling their duty of care?

 

[gungho]

Nope disagree. A forward that you lot are going nuts over. A suposed 700k payday and a contract for a further 2 years.
If the shoe was on the other foot then no way would you be happy with that last year. Especially as we had our 2015 draft already covered.
But lets say it eas. You used your 2015 1st on GC.
There was talk of trading for StKilda but, funnily enough, freo said no to the trade ( how gastly)
So where was this other 2015 1st coming from?

I've been following your posts on here a bit and you do get it wrong fairly often. I think you will find the offer of two first rounders was on the table for at least the first week of the trading period. GWS were not interested in this. It was later, when Freo picked up Bennell, that their first rounder became a second rounder (they didn't really care at this point because GWS were not interested in the first offer regardless.) Whether they were going to trade Weller, Neale, or Barlow to get the deal done is a complete hypothetical that no one really knows, but it is common knowledge (could quote multiple sources from journos, Freo list managers, GWS ect), that the initial offer involved two first round picks.
It always helps to do a bit of research on these things General.

 

[se17enteen]

Fun fact, Agent happens to be a sponsor of Fremantle Football Club - not sure how that works.

Here is another fun fact. Colin Young has 11 West Coast players on his book, that's half your team. Only 7 from Freo.

9 of those West Coast players played in the 2015 Grand Final. Only 4 of Freo's Colin Young players are in our best 22.

You could say he is more West Coast than Fremantle.

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Here is another fun fact. Colin Young has 11 West Coast players on his book, that's half your team. Only 7 from Freo.

9 of those West Coast players played in the 2015 Grand Final. Only 4 of Freo's Colin Young players are in our best 22.

You could say he is more West Coast than Fremantle.

That has absolutely no bearing on my point.

IMO, a conflict of interest arises when a player manager sponsors a club.

 

[Toump Ass]

If it is legitimate, let's hope it isn't, then the boy should follow Mitch Clarke's behaviour

You mean he should negotiate a generous farewell cheque before spending the year using GWS' staff and facilities to retain his fitness levels while he shops himself around to another club?

If he was to do that I admit I would have more respect for him.

 

[Mr Commissioner]

You mean he should negotiate a generous farewell check before spending the year using GWS' staff and facilities to retain his fitness levels while he shops himself around to another club?

If he was to do that I admit I would have more respect for him.

Wow.

 

[wild side]

Pav 4AA. Yeeehaa !!

 

[Giant Strides]

I've been following your posts on here a bit and you do get it wrong fairly often. I think you will find the offer of two first rounders was on the table for at least the first week of the trading period. GWS were not interested in this. It was later, when Freo picked up Bennell, that their first rounder became a second rounder (they didn't really care at this point because GWS were not interested in the first offer regardless.) Whether they were going to trade Weller, Neale, or Barlow to get the deal done is a complete hypothetical that no one really knows, but it is common knowledge (could quote multiple sources from journos, Freo list managers, GWS ect), that the initial offer involved two first round picks.
It always helps to do a bit of research on these things General.

Yes, it does help to research. The trade period opened Monday 12 October at 10 am. Slightly more than 50 hours later, on Wednesday 14 October, Suns and Freo agreed to a deal. 2 days, not 'at least the first week of trading'.

And if Freo were genuinely trying to land McCarthy, why would you throw away your current first round pick so quickly? (I think that period was less than the time it took for GWS to change it's mind on the Boyd trade, and that was an undoubtedly favourable deal for GWS despite losing the #1 draft player.) Plus, I doubt that the Bennell trade was done in the blink of an eye on Wednesday, so Freo was presumably negotiating the use of that first round pick for one or two days (yes, an assumption, but not an unreasonable one IMO).

 

[Apex36]

Or it could just not be true.
Why are people on here more likely to believe something that has been denied (700k) than something that has been stated (McCarthy a required player - no trade)?

Because clubs and managers are notorious liars?

Paul Conors - "Nathan Freeman is worried about his place in the Collingwood midfield pecking order. Collingwood aren't even chasing Aish anymore because their midfield is so deep."
Nek minnit, Aish requests trade to Collingwood.

GWS - "We will not trade Tom Boyd under any circumstances"

Brisbane - "We will not trade Aish under any circumstances"

Collingwood - "Brisbane have until 5pm Friday week 1 of the trade period to propose a suitable trade or Beams will not be traded"

Liam Pickering - "Franklin wants to stay at Hawthorn"

But yeah, let's just take their word for it...

 

[Apex36]

Oh come on man on one side there are official statements by people involved and on the other is media throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Just because something is repeated enough on bigfooty does not make it suddenly true.

Hah! See my previous post. Official statements aren't worth squat.

 

[The Joker]

Considering you didn't have a top 10 pick, it seems highly unlikely you could have offered anything of note.

If GWS got on BF then they would know for certain they would be getting a top 10 pick in 2016, its common knowledge that Freo wont make the 8 this year.

 

[scon]

One of BF's finest ever freds.
Will print out and annotate!

 

[imperial_oz]

I think it would absurd/shameful for Mcarthy and his management to feign mental health issues as a way out of the contract.

If it is legitimate, let's hope it isn't, then the boy should follow Mitch Clarke's behaviour, tell the club he cannot fulfil his contract obligations, refuse a pay cheque and walk away from the game and heal in a timeframe suitable for such an illness.

It will appalling and an affront to those who genuinely suffer from mental health issues if this is one giant rouse to get him home after making a decision to extend a contract and then want to renege once the ink had dried.

Losing 9 kgs in 8 weeks isn't the sign of a roose.

Frankly, he shouldn't be playing for anybody in his current state and needs to recover before sorting out any playing future. I really don't see him playing for anybody this year or being in a fit state to trade until he has some sort of recovery

 

[Colonial]

I've been following your posts on here a bit and you do get it wrong fairly often. I think you will find the offer of two first rounders was on the table for at least the first week of the trading period. GWS were not interested in this. It was later, when Freo picked up Bennell, that their first rounder became a second rounder (they didn't really care at this point because GWS were not interested in the first offer regardless.) Whether they were going to trade Weller, Neale, or Barlow to get the deal done is a complete hypothetical that no one really knows, but it is common knowledge (could quote multiple sources from journos, Freo list managers, GWS ect), that the initial offer involved two first round picks.
It always helps to do a bit of research on these things General.

Ahh you mean research with info that backs you. Gottya thanks stalker for the info

 

[imperial_oz]

There are some posters bandying the idea around, but to be fair there hasn't been any indication from GWS that they're not paying him.

Throwing words like 'slavery' around isn't helping the discussion, though.

Perhaps if you read it in context, you wouldn't have posted

 

[gungho]

Yes, it does help to research. The trade period opened Monday 12 October at 10 am. Slightly more than 50 hours later, on Wednesday 14 October, Suns and Freo agreed to a deal. 2 days, not 'at least the first week of trading'.

And if Freo were genuinely trying to land McCarthy, why would you throw away your current first round pick so quickly? (I think that period was less than the time it took for GWS to change it's mind on the Boyd trade, and that was an undoubtedly favourable deal for GWS despite losing the #1 draft player.) Plus, I doubt that the Bennell trade was done in the blink of an eye on Wednesday, so Freo was presumably negotiating the use of that first round pick for one or two days (yes, an assumption, but not an unreasonable one IMO).

And you really believe that two AFL club list managers have not had formal/informal talks about McCarthy before trade week? If was well known Freo wanted McCarthy. It was well known the offer on the table was two first rounders.

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Losing 9 kgs in 8 weeks isn't the sign of a roose.

Frankly, he shouldn't be playing for anybody in his current state and needs to recover before sorting out any playing future. I really don't see him playing for anybody this year or being in a fit state to trade until he has some sort of recovery

Where has this been reported?

 

[Forward Press]

Perhaps if you read it in context, you wouldn't have posted

The section of your post I quoted retained its context.

Why do you suggest the Giants aren't fulfilling their duty of care?

 

[Underdog]

Where has this been reported?

Apparently C7 reported it. Anxiety.

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Apparently C7 reported it. Anxiety.

Barich running the story by any chance?

 

[Underdog]

Barich running the story by any chance?

Dunno. Googled the keywords and a poster on Bigfooty discussed the report.