McCarthy goes home

[Mr Commissioner]

Dunno. Googled the keywords and a poster on Bigfooty discussed the report.

Ta. If it's Barich, I'll lol.

 

[HFF]

Port Adelaide made a stand with Nick Stevens, refusing to trade him and forcing him to Carlton, via the pre-season draft. Twelve months later, the Power won the flag. I'm not sure what I want GWS to do at this stage (the actions of the club so far seem quite reasonable to me), but it will be fascinating when a club finally holds a player to one of these contracts that still has multiple years left to run. I think a lot of supporters (and, privately, most other teams) would applaud the club that finally makes this stand.

Nick Stevens is a poor comparison because the lay of the land has changed since then in that the rules governing Stevens at the time were not what they are now. Nick Stevens didn't have the option of going into the National Draft and navigating his way to his preferred home ala Luke Ball.
His only option was the PSD and lets face it, any club with a mesely PSD is going to pick up a quality player like Stevens for nothing as Carlton did at the time when they were at rock bottom and in need of quality.

Making a stand is not good business. It may look like great PR for your fans but it's poor business. Now GWS have a player who is out the door, may never come back or god knows when he will come back, his heart is not in it to give his absolute best for that club, they have a gaping hole in their key forward posts for a player who they would have as a walk up start in their best 22 and they have compromised the compensation that was pretty much overs at the time 2x first round draft choices.

You need to take the emotion out of it and do what's best for business as a football club. Keeping a player who didn't and now clearly doesn't want to be there, despite the public spin the GWS hierarchy have been pushing for months is quite simply, poor business.

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Sincerely disagree.

You set a precedent which allows players to walk when they feel like it after signing an extension is a lot more dangerous than holding firm on one player.

GWS are not in the wrong here, Mcarthy & his management are entirely at fault and have really fudged a blossoming career.

 

[Defacto]

Ta. If it's Barich, I'll lol.

It was

 

[Mr Commissioner]

It was

Best mate with the Mcarthy's manager.

 

[Andronicus]

Best mate with the Mcarthy's manager.

More humiliating to say you are friends with a player manager, or Adrian Barich?

 

[Kram]

More humiliating to say you are friends with a player manager, or Adrian Barich?

Definitely Barich.

 

[Blacky]

It was

Just replying because of your avatar

 

[Blacky]

More humiliating to say you are friends with a player manager, or Adrian Barich?

only good thing bara has ever done is call Glen Jackovich the Rocket Surgeon

 

[Ben Johnson]

Nick Stevens is a poor comparison because the lay of the land has changed since then in that the rules governing Stevens at the time were not what they are now. Nick Stevens didn't have the option of going into the National Draft and navigating his way to his preferred home ala Luke Ball.
His only option was the PSD and lets face it, any club with a mesely PSD is going to pick up a quality player like Stevens for nothing as Carlton did at the time when they were at rock bottom and in need of quality.

Making a stand is not good business. It may look like great PR for your fans but it's poor business. Now GWS have a player who is out the door, may never come back or god knows when he will come back, his heart is not in it to give his absolute best for that club, they have a gaping hole in their key forward posts for a player who they would have as a walk up start in their best 22 and they have compromised the compensation that was pretty much overs at the time 2x first round draft choices.

You need to take the emotion out of it and do what's best for business as a football club. Keeping a player who didn't and now clearly doesn't want to be there, despite the public spin the GWS hierarchy have been pushing for months is quite simply, poor business.

Probably an even worse example because Nick Stevens was coming off contract.

Does every single poster on this thread overlook the fact that he is contracted because they have poor memory retention, or because they're just plain simple?

You want a required, contracted player?

Bitch, you better pony up and pay overs.

 

[HFF]

Probably an even worse example because Nick Stevens was coming off contract.

Does every single poster on this thread overlook the fact that he is contracted because they have poor memory retention, or because they're just plain simple?

You want a required, contracted player?

Bitch, you better pony up and pay overs.

Nope, it's clear he was contracted. We've seen plenty of players over the years leave despite being contracted.
The offer of two first rounders was "ponying up" and paying overs.

If it were my club, I wouldn't be happy with this scenario.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Nope, it's clear he was contracted. We've seen plenty of players over the years leave despite being contracted.
The offer of two first rounders was "ponying up" and paying overs.

If it were my club, I wouldn't be happy with this scenario.

So we can take Treloar back this year for 2 late first round picks? Even though he's in your midfield plans for 4 years after that?

Really?

 

[Giant Pete]

Nick Stevens is a poor comparison because the lay of the land has changed since then in that the rules governing Stevens at the time were not what they are now. Nick Stevens didn't have the option of going into the National Draft and navigating his way to his preferred home ala Luke Ball.
His only option was the PSD and lets face it, any club with a mesely PSD is going to pick up a quality player like Stevens for nothing as Carlton did at the time when they were at rock bottom and in need of quality.

Making a stand is not good business. It may look like great PR for your fans but it's poor business. Now GWS have a player who is out the door, may never come back or god knows when he will come back, his heart is not in it to give his absolute best for that club, they have a gaping hole in their key forward posts for a player who they would have as a walk up start in their best 22 and they have compromised the compensation that was pretty much overs at the time 2x first round draft choices.

You need to take the emotion out of it and do what's best for business as a football club. Keeping a player who didn't and now clearly doesn't want to be there, despite the public spin the GWS hierarchy have been pushing for months is quite simply, poor business.

"A gaping hole in our key posts". A club that has Cameron, Patton, Tomlinson, Stewart, Himmelberg as key forwards shows you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to our list. A gaping hole is what happens if Cloke gets injured.

 

[Giant Strides]

And you really believe that two AFL club list managers have not had formal/informal talks about McCarthy before trade week? If was well known Freo wanted McCarthy. It was well known the offer on the table was two first rounders.

Of course they talk. That's also irrelevant to the judgement you were imposing. Your point was General Giant was wrong, and your proof was that two 1st round draft picks were on the table for at least the first week of trading. Which itself was incorrect. It was 2 days, during which one was obviously being used to negotiate over Bennell. Do you think that trades are always agreed in the first 2 days? And if clubs don't agree, is the normal next step to reduce the offer - which is what Freo did. Arguably Freo knew the offer wouldn't be acceptable and it wasn't really a dinkum offer.

Let's be precise. From what we understand, Freo offered two 1st round picks, which wasn't accepted. They then used one of those and proceeded to press for the trade with a 1st and 2nd round pick for the majority of the trading period. Players may or may not have been offered. So you're both half right.

 

[Giant Strides]

"A gaping hole in our key posts". A club that has Cameron, Patton, Tomlinson, Stewart, Himmelberg as key forwards shows you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to our list. A gaping hole is what happens if Cloke gets injured.

Yes. Arguably it was the fact that GWS did have other options - probably not as good as Sunshine but on par with many clubs' option as a third forward - that enabled them to take a punt on working through the homesickness issue. Indeed, I think that GWS approached this with an understanding of the risks and rewards in respect of the club. I don't think that many posters, like HFF, understand or accept this at all.

 

[Obeanie1]

There is no evidence that Freo has approached Cam, or offered him more money.

And there may be players wishing for better situations on every team, but it doesn't seem to the extent of Cam McCarthy - publicly speaking out against their club, needing special leave, etc.

I have some sympathy for GWS taking a strong stance and I can understand how the arrive at their position (which, again, is their legal right) - but it seems to have been a wrong call in this case.

You obviously didn't pay attention to trade week last year then.

Freo were very keen to get a trade for McCarthy and the money on offer certainly got his attention.

Freo are desperate to land a KP forward, they've been chasing one for three years with zero success.

What rock have you been living under?

 

[nineteen eighty]

Call me a cynical old bastard but I think there's more to this story than what has come out.

We know:

• He signed an extension 1-2 years back
• He wanted to be traded last trade period
• GWS held onto him as is their right
• He walks out on the club half way through pre-season.

I don't remember any players who have walked out of their club in January. I can understand if he played the year out and walked out end of season if he was totally unhappy. But to pull this stunt now...something is not quite right.

Three options:

• He is being advised badly
• He is seriously not well (losing 9kg is not a good sign IF this is in fact true)
• He needs timeout to refocus on football and get away from some possible distractions in Sin City.

And before Freo supporters start attacking me, I'm not being disrespectful towards him. I've just been around too long to believe that a young footballer would walk out half way through a preseason without there being some significant issues. Being homesick is not a significant issue.

 

[The Joker]

Call me a cynical old bastard but I think there's more to this story than what has come out.

We know:

• He signed an extension 1-2 years back
• He wanted to be traded last trade period
• GWS held onto him as is their right
• He walks out on the club half way through pre-season.

I don't remember any players who have walked out of their club in January. I can understand if he played the year out and walked out end of season if he was totally unhappy. But to pull this stunt now...something is not quite right.

Three options:

• He is being advised badly
• He is seriously not well (losing 9kg is not a good sign IF this is in fact true)
• He needs timeout to refocus on football and get away from some possible distractions in Sin City.

And before Freo supporters start attacking me, I'm not being disrespectful towards him. I've just been around too long to believe that a young footballer would walk out half way through a preseason without their being some significant issues. Being homesick is not a significant issue.

Sorry but why would we attack you, you've made a rather well thought out statement regarding a player that has no ties to our club!?!

 

[Balony_pony16]

Call me a cynical old bastard but I think there's more to this story than what has come out.

We know:

• He signed an extension 1-2 years back
• He wanted to be traded last trade period
• GWS held onto him as is their right
• He walks out on the club half way through pre-season.

I don't remember any players who have walked out of their club in January. I can understand if he played the year out and walked out end of season if he was totally unhappy. But to pull this stunt now...something is not quite right.

Three options:

• He is being advised badly
• He is seriously not well (losing 9kg is not a good sign IF this is in fact true)
• He needs timeout to refocus on football and get away from some possible distractions in Sin City.

And before Freo supporters start attacking me, I'm not being disrespectful towards him. I've just been around too long to believe that a young footballer would walk out half way through a preseason without their being some significant issues. Being homesick is not a significant issue.

losing 9kgs? Is there a link/reliable source to this?

 

[Forward Press]

losing 9kgs? Is there a link/reliable source to this?

The Channel 7 News report on McCarthy yesterday night. Reported anxiety and losing 9kgs as reasons for him being granted indefinite leave.

 

[nineteen eighty]

losing 9kgs? Is there a link/reliable source to this?

Reliable...no.

From Barich and on BF...make of that what you will.

Easy to spin a story around weight loss if a manager wanted to concoct a story to hide the truth.

Like I said, I just don't believe this has anything to do with homesickness and / or McCarthy wanting to play for Freo. That issue was done and dusted back in November. Something else is at play IMO that they are trying to hide.

 

[Balony_pony16]

The Channel 7 News report on McCarthy yesterday night. Reported anxiety and losing 9kgs as reasons for him being granted indefinite leave.

thats a lot of weight when you consider most players get excited when they gain 2-3 kgs haha

 

[BPikkers]

Well GWS and their hard line has turned to shit. Blind Freddy could see he wasn't happy there and this would happen. I notice in their presser they are concerned for his welfare .Where was the concern 5 months ago. Stupid decision to force him to stay. Gws should have accepted a deal.

Why should they? He signed a contract extension so was obviously happy to be there. Things change, but who knows the real story? Did it change because Freo threw big $ at him or is it he doesn't want to play footy anymore because he can't handle it? If I were GWS I wouldn't have traded him.

 

[BPikkers]

yup.

They trade out a bunch of other promising players for a bag of chips yet two first round picks aren't good enough for Mccarthy. Really stupid stuff by GWS.

Other promising players? The gave Carlton a bunch of ordinary players who couldn't make it

 

[HairyO]

Other promising players? The gave Carlton a bunch of ordinary players who couldn't make it

Carlton only need one of them to turn out to be a reasonable player to have done well from the deal. Its not like they traded much.

So how did he suddenly lose 9 kilos? Its the pre-season. The players would be getting weighed and body fat checked every day or 2. Hard to see how this suddenly became a thing.