McLean trade the best outcome for Melbourne

[Daytripper]

Severe ownage.

LOL - that thread is from the start of 2008.

He was over-rated at the time because Melbourne supporters thought he was the next coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[whelan=legend]

Whats wrong with that ?

He's never been tagged and been in the system for a minute.

Clubs are going to start paying more attention to him obviously next year so lets see how he handles that before going overboard on the kid.

The AFL is littered with kids who looked great in years 1 & 2 and didn't quite meet supporters expectations later on.

None of that shows why he is just 'reasonable'. He is probably our most promising young player IMO. He is like an upgraded version of McLean - faster with better skills.

Grimes will be a star - if you watched a few of his games this year you would be able to see that.

 

[Daytripper]

None of that shows why he is just 'reasonable'. He is probably our most promising young player IMO. He is like an upgraded version of McLean - faster with better skills.

Grimes will be a star - if you watched a few of his games this year you would be able to see that.

At the moment he is reasonable. Nothing more, nothing less.

In three years time he may well be a star. He might also still just be reasonable.

 

[Trav 20]

I feel slightly dumber for having read the contributions of "Invigorator" and "Daytripper", however I'll press on.

Have opposition supporters seen McLean play this year ? He makes Ling look like greased lightening. He's not a 'first dibs' midfielder, despite his build. His skills aren't elite. And he's not even as hard as I'd like him to be. We have had the worst midfield in the competition in case people haven't noticed.

2003 will no doubt go down as a shocking draft, so it's a very long and ridiculous bow to refer to top 5 picks from other drafts. Players simply need to be judged on their merits. I've done forecasts of a Dees 2012 side on another forum since earlier in the year and McLean hasn't figured. He's too slow and doesn't compensate in the manner of a Scott West by feeding teammates. His hands in close are poor. Thank God Tom Scully is on his way.

Farren Ray was pick 4 in 2003 and McLean pick 5. So let's compare relevant drafts, not irrelevent ones. Ray had a far better 09 than McLean. Ray yielded pick 31 from the Saints last year and we've (hopefully) just snaffled 11

The game is getting faster and faster. Just ask Luke Ball. He's on the fringe at St.Kilda and is a better player than McLean.

If I was an opposition supporter, especially a Swans supporter, I'd question the value of good draft picks too. I suppose Dan Hanebery will be a good player and was picked in the 30's. Liked him when I saw him as a junior. Hmm, those wasted draft picks. The rolls eyes thing is very gay, but ...

 

[picks1and2]

a little birdie tells me Brock thinks driving from Moonee Ponds to Cranbourne daily might be a chore.

frankston is just down the road chief. your boys do the same # of miles daily too

 

[deledio7]

frankston is just down the road chief. your boys do the same # of miles daily too

What a ridiculous username that is.

 

[Team Mo']

Defintiely overrated those two imo. Jurrah hasn't done enough yet apart from excite the fans. I think Jones is one of the biggest spuds in the game. I've just never rated him and I appear to be in the minority because quite a few people do rate him. I'd rather Moloney or McLean by a country mile.

LOLZ. Have you watched a Melboune tankathon befoe? Jurraj is bringing the hurrah so better recognize!!!

Youse likee a littel baby who watches moviez!


(Again apologies to AG. He's good.)

 

[DOSAhastheBlues]

I think this is a disaster for Melbourne and not much of a win for Carlton. Melbourne lose an experienced but young player that would have assisted in the development of the even younger players coming through and Carlton get yet another midfielder that really doesn't add hell of a lot. He would rank behind Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens, Scotland and others. Will probably spend a fair amount of time in the VFL.....all for pick 11. Well done.

 

[}>-DEMON-<{]

I honestly still can't believe Carlton have paid this price for McLean

We just finished last, we had a very young side and plenty of injuries. In that climate a sixth-year player taken at #5 should be dominating the side. Sylvia, Davey and Moloney are midfielders of a similar age and they will finish as the top 3 in the B+F... you watch, despite playing 19 games he will finish about 12th or lower IMO. The argument is that his year was hampered by injury, but I would not be confident that better fitness will cure his all-too-often clangers and massive disadvantage in speed.

I love him, sad to see him go, and wish him well, but if you had asked me what he was worth before yesterday I would have said pick 20-25.

We will now fill a deficiency (key forward) with what we have lost in surplus (inside mid)

Furthermore, if we are looking at 2014ish to be our flag year we are better off with a 23-24 year old #11 than we are with 29 year old McLean. I also imagine his career will be shortened due to the battering he has already copped.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Interesting to see that he's now become a past it, broken down hack given that he will almost certainly be traded.

If you look at his performances in the Demon's last three wins this season, he was among their best on each occasion, which suggests he's a pretty influential player.

I'm not totally sold on the trade because of his past injury problems, so I hope due diligence is being done in that area. Even so, I tend to think it may be a win-win scenario.

 

[AG]

Furthermore, if we are looking at 2014ish to be our flag year we are better off with a 23-24 year old #11 than we are with 29 year old McLean. I also imagine his career will be shortened due to the battering he has already copped.

Disagree with that comment. Lenny Hayes is the perfect example as to why experience is vital. If they awarded a finals MVP he would win it at this stage.

 

[laminex]

Trade-wise Carlton are slight winners, even considering McLean's good but not great form over the past two years.

But structure-wise for Carlton, it doesn't look like the best idea. Are they going to win a premiership with just Fev up forward, do they need another target? The likes of Jaimeson, Waite (good player), Thornton and Sentana aren't gonna cut it in the back line. I thought Carlton might have used their first pick on a decent KPP.

Good luck to both teams though.

Jaimeson the bloke who with one arm this did his job better than most T-bird is a great 3rd tall Sen does not play back and Waite is much more than a good player he was looking AA before his knee. Add Austin and Bower we do not need any more Kp backs. As for forwards we do need more than fev but Betts was high scoring as was Murph he was the highest scoring mid in the comp, add to that gibbs goes well in front of goal. With Warnok fit Kruz can play CHF. People who no nothing about a club should not comment they end up looking like most here on BF and show they know very little about any other club than their own.

 

[laminex]

I honestly still can't believe Carlton have paid this price for McLean

We just finished last, we had a very young side and plenty of injuries. In that climate a sixth-year player taken at #5 should be dominating the side. Sylvia, Davey and Moloney are midfielders of a similar age and they will finish as the top 3 in the B+F... you watch, despite playing 19 games he will finish about 12th or lower IMO. The argument is that his year was hampered by injury, but I would not be confident that better fitness will cure his all-too-often clangers and massive disadvantage in speed.

I love him, sad to see him go, and wish him well, but if you had asked me what he was worth before yesterday I would have said pick 20-25.

We will now fill a deficiency (key forward) with what we have lost in surplus (inside mid)

Furthermore, if we are looking at 2014ish to be our flag year we are better off with a 23-24 year old #11 than we are with 29 year old McLean. I also imagine his career will be shortened due to the battering he has already copped.

I have always found it funny that when a player get traded he goes from gun to dud in seconds.

 

[Zvim]

I have always found it funny that when a player get traded he goes from gun to dud in seconds.

Been a long time since McLean was considered a gun. I am not surprised Melbourne rushed to the AFL to get this deal done before Carlton changed their mind between now and trade week.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Exactly. If anyone had tried to describe McLean as a "gun" a week ago, they would've been met with ridicule from hundreds of BF posters, I suspect...

Amazing what a difference a week makes though... suddenly all sorts of opposition fans are coming out of the woodwork to praise him. I wonder why?

 

[RedLegs#5]

Exactly. If anyone had tried to describe McLean as a "gun" a week ago, they would've been met with ridicule from hundreds of BF posters, I suspect...

Amazing what a difference a week makes though... suddenly all sorts of opposition fans are coming out of the woodwork to praise him. I wonder why?

Very true. But none of us really expect objective statements on this site. The intelligence level is quite low.

 

[UL NVR WLK ALN]

Melbourne can now take the best two midfielders in the land and use pick 11 to look for a tall forward.

Judd and Ablett?

 

[Footy Mad]

LOLZ. Have you watched a Melboune tankathon befoe? Jurraj is bringing the hurrah so better recognize!!!

Youse likee a littel baby who watches moviez!


(Again apologies to AG. He's good.)

- makes me laugh. Carlton fans teasing "Melboune" fans for tanking.

Oh! How we forget! Short-term win to the Blues - Long-term nobody knows and I dont care.

 

[saj_21]

Theres no way Moloney was worth pick 12 in a million years. Hes a decent player but go back and take a look at the trades, pick 12 was ontraded numerous times that year. Theres a big difference in the calibre of players that pick 12 was involved in trading for.

Moloney was hardly an established player at the time either. He was in his second year at Geelong after being drafted via the PSD in 2003. What in those 1 1/2 years he spent at Geelong caused a jump from being overlooked by everyone to pick 12? Hell if you needed an established player that desperately, Callum Chambers would've been a more affordable option and you still could've kept your high draft picks.

With regards to not taking Monfries, of course Melbourne could never take two similar players in a draft. Say like Jetta and Bennell....

They are similar players becuase they are aboriginal same height and size?

Apart from the fact Jetta is wingman/HFF and Bennell is back pocket player???

Pick 12 for Moloney was a bit over the top, not the first to play over the price for a player and won't be the last. Hindsight is a great thing when looking over previous drafts with who and what pick you could of taken players, but there is nothing you can do bout it now.

And don;t put callum chambers in the same sentence as Moloney (who played his best season of footy this yr) the only kick callum chambers got was to cameron bruce's shin!

 

[Jimi]

They are similar players becuase they are aboriginal same height and size?

Apart from the fact Jetta is wingman/HFF and Jetta is back pocket player???

Very funny typo in the context of the post

 

[saj_21]

Very funny typo in the context of the post

Yea should proof read shouldn't i.

Take two; Jetta is a wingman/HFF and Bennell is back pocket player!

 

[douls]

Yea should proof read shouldn't i.

Take two; Jetta is a wingman/HFF and Bennell is back pocket player!

you drafted Bennell as a BP player?

 

[mfc150]

you drafted Bennell as a BP player?

So far he has shown himself to be a running defender. Similar to stiffy Johncock.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Love the Melbourne posts calling Brock average or a slow hack...too funny.

You have just given up close to your best player...forget that some like Maloney or others have played well for 2 seconds, Brock is better than all of them - he has just had nothing to play for.

Melbourne have made it very obvious that their goal in the last 2 years is nothing but draft picks, even going to the extent of playing Mclean and many other players out of position to ensure they lose games. I dont mind this as a club strategy as you will get the picks for a premiership - but you do run the risk of pissing off your most important mid/senior players in the side who are just marking time with no career goal. Mclean is a good example of this! He is fed up playing the wrong position/role with no incentive to actually win a game!

Make no mistake, this is a Melbourne stuffup...WCE faced the same proposition, either get an extra draft pick by tanking or try and win as many games as possible for team morale - with morale being the key words! Melbourne like many other clubs are bending the system as much as possible to suit themselves and here they have been forced to pay the price! WCE chose the other direction!

For those bitter Dees saying he is too slow i can only point you to Sammy Mitchell who everyone rates as elite! If he can extract and lay the odd crunching tackle then he is of huge benefit similar to Sammy. Of course, for the Blues he fits a need in the midfield!

For those nubs who say at 23 he is no longer a decent/elite player you have no idea. Hardly anyone looks good in a bottom of the ladder team who is not even trying to win games. Place these same players in a top 8 side actually trying to wins games and you will see the best of them.

Purpose in life is everything and the Dees have taken it off their senior players!

 

[Drummond]

Its a terrible trade for Melbourne.

Here you have a player - taken at pick 5 only 5 years ago. He is 23 years old with a good 7 years left in his career, has genuine leadership material and is easily one of the better AFL players in the 22-25 age bracket going around.

For a number 5 draft pick Melbourne got their money's worth.

Yet now they offload him for pick 11 in a skinny draft where #11 may as well be #20 (or worse).

So its another player they now need to put 5 years of development into hoping and praying that he will be good as Mclean - he won't be.

They also have given one of their main Melbourne rivals a leg up as well.

Meanwhile I await 2013 when Cale Morton gets traded for pick 9 and Jack Watts gets traded for pick 8.

Only at Mebourne FC would a mantra of buy high, sell low be considered a winning strategy.

Agree with all of this.

Horrendous trade for Melbourne, staggering move on their behalf.