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Daniel Curtain

The clear-cut best prospect out west, and the most versatile tall in this year’s draft crop. Curtin’s clash with Jed Walter boosted his stocks – even though the Allies star kicked three goals – but he is now viewed every bit as much as a midfielder.

There is even confidence in his ability to play as a forward, too. Curtin played two of his four championships games as an on-baller, racking up a combined 53 touches and 14 clearances to prove his bona fides in that position, after some impressive performances there for Claremont. West Coast are desperate to get him, and rival clubs know it. Could push into the top three.

Interesting comment from the below article:

www.theage.com.au

Pick by pick: The top 25 if the AFL draft was on now

This is The Age’s top 25 prospects after the AFL under-18 championships, compiled after extensive discussions with club recruiters and player agents.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
 
Convocation said:

No.4​

Daniel Curtain

The clear-cut best prospect out west, and the most versatile tall in this year’s draft crop. Curtin’s clash with Jed Walter boosted his stocks – even though the Allies star kicked three goals – but he is now viewed every bit as much as a midfielder.

There is even confidence in his ability to play as a forward, too. Curtin played two of his four championships games as an on-baller, racking up a combined 53 touches and 14 clearances to prove his bona fides in that position, after some impressive performances there for Claremont. West Coast are desperate to get him, and rival clubs know it. Could push into the top three.

Interesting comment from the below article:

www.theage.com.au

Pick by pick: The top 25 if the AFL draft was on now

This is The Age’s top 25 prospects after the AFL under-18 championships, compiled after extensive discussions with club recruiters and player agents.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
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If WCE are so 'desperate' to get him, they can simply take him with number 1...
 
Big_Birdy said:
2011 then.

The great thing about being a West Coast supporter is that when an opposition supporter hates us, it can usually be traced back to us beating them in a big game.
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Worst thing about being a West Coast supporter is that our hatred of opposition supporters can be traced back to 100 point defeat 😕
 

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I haven't hear of Josh Barnes but I'll take it.

AFL Draft 2023: Why Harley Reid will not return to Victoria if taken by West Coast​


Beneath all the chatter about whether Harley Reid wants to stick it out in Perth if West Coast takes him first in November’s draft is one simple fact – the Eagles don’t lose top Victorian draftees.

Future Norm Smith medallist Luke Shuey was plucked from Melbourne’s eastern suburbs with the 18th pick in 2008 and since then, 25 other Victorians have been called over the Nullarbor by West Coast.

Of the 26 who have built their new life in Perth, only one – Koby Stevens – made his way back home through a trade.
Including Shuey, five Victorians have been selected by the Perth powerhouse inside the top 20 in the past 15 years and none have left, with Andrew Gaff notably coming closest before rebuffing North Melbourne’s monster offer in 2018.

The club’s highest profile Victorian draftee, Chris Judd, forced his way out at the end of 2007 after six seasons, a year before Shuey was drafted.
The choice is largely out of Reid’s hands as to which jumper he will wear in his AFL debut and his manger Nick Geischen gave the clearest indication yet on Friday that the goalkicking midfielder was not going to pressure his way to a club in his home state.

“Harley will go wherever the draft takes him,” Geischen told SEN on Friday.
“If he does end up in Perth, yes it is a big move and a lot to take in but that is not any different to the other interstate players that have been drafted (there).”

Geischen said it wasn’t West Coast’s uncompetitive playing list but the distance between Perth and Reid’s home in Tongala – a mere 35 hour drive – that would present any problems for the teen.

But as Eagles coach Adam Simpson said this week, when the Eagles get their claws into someone they like “we don’t lose too many”.
Cross-town rivals Fremantle have lost just two blue-chip Victorian talents taken inside the top 20 since the Shuey pick.
Drafted fifth overall, Adam Cerra won a move back home and is now in career-best form with Carlton, while Hayden Crozier (pick 20) also returned east to the Western Bulldogs.

Picked later in the draft order, Lloyd Meek (traded to Hawthorn), Viv Michie and Ed Langdon (both Melbourne) and Darcy Tucker (North Melbourne) have each been traded back to Victoria in the last 15 years.

Both Perth-based clubs have historically leaned towards taking homegrown talent and Fremantle chose Jye Amiss and Neil Erasmus in the 2021 first-round, with Victorians Josh Gibcus and Ben Hobbs taken soon after.

A few picks later in that same draft however, West Coast plucked Sandringham Dragons youngster Campbell Chesser at 14, when Claremont duo Angus Sheldrick and Jacob van Rooyen were still on the board.

Just like their Victorian counterparts, the Perth clubs will back themselves to win over interstaters if they have enough ability – Caleb Serong, Andrew Brayshaw and Hayden Young have all been handed purple jumpers on draft night as top-10 choices in recent years and the trio haven’t shown any signs of wanting a return back east.

Premiership West Coast defender Will Schofield posted an impassioned plea for Reid to take on the move to Perth on social media this week
The Geelong-raised retired Eagle said he had warmed to West Australia and declared it was the best state in the nation after living there since he was drafted in 2006.

Part of Simpson’s reasoning for West Coast’s suction-cup ability to keep talent in the doors was the club’s strong run of success and no doubt playing in 13 finals, including two grand finals, made acclimatising to the Perth sun easier for Schofield.

Success might be further away than at any point in the 36-year history of the Eagles but unless something drastic happens before November, Reid may be the first step in the club’s next great run.
 
Some gold by Robbo.



Mark Robinson: Essendon needs to aim high and extract Oscar Allen from West Coast​

Essendon have plenty of cap space and a war chest they can take to the trade table. Mark Robinson identifies what they need and the player they should open the cheque book for.

It’s time Essendon aimed high and opened up the cheque book.
It needs a key forward – which is different from a tall forward – and it needs to be ballsy to be brilliant.

Oscar Allen is contracted until the end of 2025 with West Coast, but that shouldn’t stop the Bombers making him an offer he can’t refuse.
There’s hurdles, like, would the Eagles even contemplate trading away its emerging star, and whether Allen would request a trade?

But Essendon needs to try – if it hasn’t already.
List boss Adrian Dodoro should offer Allen $1 million a season.

If Allen, who is one the most exciting and genuine key forwards in the game, says no, Dodoro should offer him $1.1 million.
If he still says no, make it $1.2 million a season.
If it’s a no again, make it $1.3 million.

Make it an eight or nine-year deal worth in the vicinity of $11 million. It’s Lance Franklin-type money.
Let’s not get cold feet about terms and length.

If the likes of Jake Soligo, Josh Rachele, Daniel McStay, Luke McDonald, Harry McKay, Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Shai Bolton and Charlie Curnow, for example, can sign long-term contracts for as much as seven years, then eight or nine years for a player such as Allen is not a stretch.

The Bombers have the money. They plan to launch at the end of this year or next year for a key forward, which will include inquiries to Gold Coast’s Ben King, but if there was a choice, it’s Allen who you’re chips- in for.

They have a small advantage. Essendon chief executive Craig Vozzo is understood to have written up Allen’s contract, so he knows intimate details. He also knows Allen.

In July, the Herald Sun rich list, which named the sports 100 highest earners, estimated Allen was earning between $700,000 and $800,00 a season.
The Bombers could add up to $600,000-$700,000 to that contract.

They have an estimated $2 million in salary cap space, so why not attempt to make Allen the highest paid player in the game?
Be ballsy. The Swans hit up Franklin. Gold Coast ripped Gar Ablett Jr out of Geelong. The Cats squirrelled Jeremy Cameron out of western Sydney. The Lions heaved Lachie Neale out of Fremantle.

Clubs can be busy being average or get busy being premiership contenders.
The Bombers need him, or someone like him, and the problem in the evolution of modern football, as premiership great Dermott Brereton highlighted in the Herald Sun this week, is that there’s a scarcity of win-your-own-ball key forwards.

Essendon’s last great forwards were Matthew Lloyd and Scott Lucas, who both retired at the end of the 2009 season.
In trading in players since 2012 – which was a difficult assignment because the drugs saga hardly made Essendon a destination club – they have secured James Stewart (2106), Jake Stringer (2017), Peter Wright (2020) and Sam Weideman (2022).

Stewart’s body hasn’t stood up as either a forward or defender, Stringer is now 29 who gets plaudits for tackling and applying pressure more than he does winning games, Peter Wright is ideally a No. 2 forward and relief ruckman who strives for consistency and Weideman tries his best but his best isn’t good enough at present.

The other young forward is Harry Jones whose body is not withstanding the rigours.
Essendon isn’t winning big finals with that forward firepower.

So, what’s the price to be a contender?

The Bombers had Joe Daniher, of course, but he cut and ran.
But this is a different Essendon now. Coach Brad Scott has hold of the football program and, yes, a winning final could be imminent.
That’s another possible attraction for Allen.

The 24-year-old may want to be a one-club player, but he is being confronted with an estimated five-year rebuild at the Eagles. That would take him to 29.
The Bomber are youngish, they are on the verge of re-signing midfielder Darcy Parish and defender Mason Redman, and a couple of recent first-rounders – Nik Cox, Zach Reid and Elijah Tsatas – are close to being elevated to the senior team. Cox this weekend for sure and maybe Tsatas the week after.
Port Adelaide legend Warren Tredrea said as late as Thursday that Adelaide is growing more confident that Redman will request a trade. But Bomber people disagree.

The Crows offer, it is said, is six years at about $725,000. It is good money for a running defender.
But Redman is a popular, culturally-strong clubman and, anyway, Scott has said he won’t be begging his defender to stay. He doesn’t have to because Redman knows he has helped rebuild the Bombers, and what’s on the horizon.

Allen would be the lobster on a surf and turf for Essendon.
Firstly, they have to convince him to want to move and then sway the Eagles with an offer.
The Eagles need draft selections.

The Bombers could offer two-first round selections and a player (Hind or Kelly, for example).

And if the Eagles on-traded the rights to draft hot shot Harley Reid for, say, two first-round picks and a second-round pick, they could, in the period of 12 months, have four first-round picks, plus their own two-first round picks, and a series of second-round picks via other trade-out scenarios.
It could look like this for the Eagles — In: Six first-rounders. Out: Allen and Reid.

It might make the Eagles blink.

Though, Essendon has to make Allen blink first.
It would have to start with an offer that he would find difficult to refuse. It’s called a Buddy offer.
 
Tugga27 said:
Some gold by Robbo.



Mark Robinson: Essendon needs to aim high and extract Oscar Allen from West Coast​

Essendon have plenty of cap space and a war chest they can take to the trade table. Mark Robinson identifies what they need and the player they should open the cheque book for.

It’s time Essendon aimed high and opened up the cheque book.
It needs a key forward – which is different from a tall forward – and it needs to be ballsy to be brilliant.

Oscar Allen is contracted until the end of 2025 with West Coast, but that shouldn’t stop the Bombers making him an offer he can’t refuse.
There’s hurdles, like, would the Eagles even contemplate trading away its emerging star, and whether Allen would request a trade?

But Essendon needs to try – if it hasn’t already.
List boss Adrian Dodoro should offer Allen $1 million a season.

If Allen, who is one the most exciting and genuine key forwards in the game, says no, Dodoro should offer him $1.1 million.
If he still says no, make it $1.2 million a season.
If it’s a no again, make it $1.3 million.

Make it an eight or nine-year deal worth in the vicinity of $11 million. It’s Lance Franklin-type money.
Let’s not get cold feet about terms and length.

If the likes of Jake Soligo, Josh Rachele, Daniel McStay, Luke McDonald, Harry McKay, Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Shai Bolton and Charlie Curnow, for example, can sign long-term contracts for as much as seven years, then eight or nine years for a player such as Allen is not a stretch.

The Bombers have the money. They plan to launch at the end of this year or next year for a key forward, which will include inquiries to Gold Coast’s Ben King, but if there was a choice, it’s Allen who you’re chips- in for.

They have a small advantage. Essendon chief executive Craig Vozzo is understood to have written up Allen’s contract, so he knows intimate details. He also knows Allen.

In July, the Herald Sun rich list, which named the sports 100 highest earners, estimated Allen was earning between $700,000 and $800,00 a season.
The Bombers could add up to $600,000-$700,000 to that contract.

They have an estimated $2 million in salary cap space, so why not attempt to make Allen the highest paid player in the game?
Be ballsy. The Swans hit up Franklin. Gold Coast ripped Gar Ablett Jr out of Geelong. The Cats squirrelled Jeremy Cameron out of western Sydney. The Lions heaved Lachie Neale out of Fremantle.

Clubs can be busy being average or get busy being premiership contenders.
The Bombers need him, or someone like him, and the problem in the evolution of modern football, as premiership great Dermott Brereton highlighted in the Herald Sun this week, is that there’s a scarcity of win-your-own-ball key forwards.

Essendon’s last great forwards were Matthew Lloyd and Scott Lucas, who both retired at the end of the 2009 season.
In trading in players since 2012 – which was a difficult assignment because the drugs saga hardly made Essendon a destination club – they have secured James Stewart (2106), Jake Stringer (2017), Peter Wright (2020) and Sam Weideman (2022).

Stewart’s body hasn’t stood up as either a forward or defender, Stringer is now 29 who gets plaudits for tackling and applying pressure more than he does winning games, Peter Wright is ideally a No. 2 forward and relief ruckman who strives for consistency and Weideman tries his best but his best isn’t good enough at present.

The other young forward is Harry Jones whose body is not withstanding the rigours.
Essendon isn’t winning big finals with that forward firepower.

So, what’s the price to be a contender?

The Bombers had Joe Daniher, of course, but he cut and ran.
But this is a different Essendon now. Coach Brad Scott has hold of the football program and, yes, a winning final could be imminent.
That’s another possible attraction for Allen.

The 24-year-old may want to be a one-club player, but he is being confronted with an estimated five-year rebuild at the Eagles. That would take him to 29.
The Bomber are youngish, they are on the verge of re-signing midfielder Darcy Parish and defender Mason Redman, and a couple of recent first-rounders – Nik Cox, Zach Reid and Elijah Tsatas – are close to being elevated to the senior team. Cox this weekend for sure and maybe Tsatas the week after.
Port Adelaide legend Warren Tredrea said as late as Thursday that Adelaide is growing more confident that Redman will request a trade. But Bomber people disagree.

The Crows offer, it is said, is six years at about $725,000. It is good money for a running defender.
But Redman is a popular, culturally-strong clubman and, anyway, Scott has said he won’t be begging his defender to stay. He doesn’t have to because Redman knows he has helped rebuild the Bombers, and what’s on the horizon.

Allen would be the lobster on a surf and turf for Essendon.
Firstly, they have to convince him to want to move and then sway the Eagles with an offer.
The Eagles need draft selections.

The Bombers could offer two-first round selections and a player (Hind or Kelly, for example).

And if the Eagles on-traded the rights to draft hot shot Harley Reid for, say, two first-round picks and a second-round pick, they could, in the period of 12 months, have four first-round picks, plus their own two-first round picks, and a series of second-round picks via other trade-out scenarios.
It could look like this for the Eagles — In: Six first-rounders. Out: Allen and Reid.

It might make the Eagles blink.

Though, Essendon has to make Allen blink first.
It would have to start with an offer that he would find difficult to refuse. It’s called a Buddy offer.
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There's so much wrong in that article that it makes sense for him to have written it whilst on the turps(which is all the time anyway).
 

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Tugga27 said:
If the likes of Jake Soligo, Josh Rachele, Daniel McStay, Luke McDonald, Harry McKay, Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Shai Bolton and Charlie Curnow, for example, can sign long-term contracts for as much as seven years, then eight or nine years for a player such as Allen is not a stretch.
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A shame they've fixed the best bit, when it was first published 3 of these names were spelt wrong.

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Tugga27 said:
Some gold by Robbo.



Mark Robinson: Essendon needs to aim high and extract Oscar Allen from West Coast​

Essendon have plenty of cap space and a war chest they can take to the trade table. Mark Robinson identifies what they need and the player they should open the cheque book for.

It’s time Essendon aimed high and opened up the cheque book.
It needs a key forward – which is different from a tall forward – and it needs to be ballsy to be brilliant.

Oscar Allen is contracted until the end of 2025 with West Coast, but that shouldn’t stop the Bombers making him an offer he can’t refuse.
There’s hurdles, like, would the Eagles even contemplate trading away its emerging star, and whether Allen would request a trade?

But Essendon needs to try – if it hasn’t already.
List boss Adrian Dodoro should offer Allen $1 million a season.

If Allen, who is one the most exciting and genuine key forwards in the game, says no, Dodoro should offer him $1.1 million.
If he still says no, make it $1.2 million a season.
If it’s a no again, make it $1.3 million.

Make it an eight or nine-year deal worth in the vicinity of $11 million. It’s Lance Franklin-type money.
Let’s not get cold feet about terms and length.

If the likes of Jake Soligo, Josh Rachele, Daniel McStay, Luke McDonald, Harry McKay, Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Shai Bolton and Charlie Curnow, for example, can sign long-term contracts for as much as seven years, then eight or nine years for a player such as Allen is not a stretch.

The Bombers have the money. They plan to launch at the end of this year or next year for a key forward, which will include inquiries to Gold Coast’s Ben King, but if there was a choice, it’s Allen who you’re chips- in for.

They have a small advantage. Essendon chief executive Craig Vozzo is understood to have written up Allen’s contract, so he knows intimate details. He also knows Allen.

In July, the Herald Sun rich list, which named the sports 100 highest earners, estimated Allen was earning between $700,000 and $800,00 a season.
The Bombers could add up to $600,000-$700,000 to that contract.

They have an estimated $2 million in salary cap space, so why not attempt to make Allen the highest paid player in the game?
Be ballsy. The Swans hit up Franklin. Gold Coast ripped Gar Ablett Jr out of Geelong. The Cats squirrelled Jeremy Cameron out of western Sydney. The Lions heaved Lachie Neale out of Fremantle.

Clubs can be busy being average or get busy being premiership contenders.
The Bombers need him, or someone like him, and the problem in the evolution of modern football, as premiership great Dermott Brereton highlighted in the Herald Sun this week, is that there’s a scarcity of win-your-own-ball key forwards.

Essendon’s last great forwards were Matthew Lloyd and Scott Lucas, who both retired at the end of the 2009 season.
In trading in players since 2012 – which was a difficult assignment because the drugs saga hardly made Essendon a destination club – they have secured James Stewart (2106), Jake Stringer (2017), Peter Wright (2020) and Sam Weideman (2022).

Stewart’s body hasn’t stood up as either a forward or defender, Stringer is now 29 who gets plaudits for tackling and applying pressure more than he does winning games, Peter Wright is ideally a No. 2 forward and relief ruckman who strives for consistency and Weideman tries his best but his best isn’t good enough at present.

The other young forward is Harry Jones whose body is not withstanding the rigours.
Essendon isn’t winning big finals with that forward firepower.

So, what’s the price to be a contender?

The Bombers had Joe Daniher, of course, but he cut and ran.
But this is a different Essendon now. Coach Brad Scott has hold of the football program and, yes, a winning final could be imminent.
That’s another possible attraction for Allen.

The 24-year-old may want to be a one-club player, but he is being confronted with an estimated five-year rebuild at the Eagles. That would take him to 29.
The Bomber are youngish, they are on the verge of re-signing midfielder Darcy Parish and defender Mason Redman, and a couple of recent first-rounders – Nik Cox, Zach Reid and Elijah Tsatas – are close to being elevated to the senior team. Cox this weekend for sure and maybe Tsatas the week after.
Port Adelaide legend Warren Tredrea said as late as Thursday that Adelaide is growing more confident that Redman will request a trade. But Bomber people disagree.

The Crows offer, it is said, is six years at about $725,000. It is good money for a running defender.
But Redman is a popular, culturally-strong clubman and, anyway, Scott has said he won’t be begging his defender to stay. He doesn’t have to because Redman knows he has helped rebuild the Bombers, and what’s on the horizon.

Allen would be the lobster on a surf and turf for Essendon.
Firstly, they have to convince him to want to move and then sway the Eagles with an offer.
The Eagles need draft selections.

The Bombers could offer two-first round selections and a player (Hind or Kelly, for example).

And if the Eagles on-traded the rights to draft hot shot Harley Reid for, say, two first-round picks and a second-round pick, they could, in the period of 12 months, have four first-round picks, plus their own two-first round picks, and a series of second-round picks via other trade-out scenarios.
It could look like this for the Eagles — In: Six first-rounders. Out: Allen and Reid.

It might make the Eagles blink.

Though, Essendon has to make Allen blink first.
It would have to start with an offer that he would find difficult to refuse. It’s called a Buddy offer.
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How utterly deluded and just down right stupid is that article!
 
Not sure if sad or amusing that journos seem to think WC should trade out our best players, and simultaneously we should avoid drafting the best available because they won't want to stay.

Plus roos should get a priority pick, but WC never should.
 
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Lordo's right. Most comfortable 18th placed, 1 win team ever. Who needs to get uncomfortable when you just crossed 100k members and your fans at the game will give you multiple standing ovations for putting in the bare minimum effort. I'm sure Shuey got re-signed overnight behind closed doors as well.
 
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Can't believe I watched 60 seconds of that shit.

Cornes's examples of woes at the club included "talk over Harley Reid". He's the one creating the talk.

Yes we're terrible and change needs to come, but as mentioned above - the guy is so personally hurt by Simmo laughing at him last year that he's now gone full personal and doesn't understand what he's saying anymore. "Get rid of the veterans but new draftees shouldn't go there!" It makes no sense.

Also Tony Jones is still a complete fool too.
 
West Coast are "either oblivious to it, or they're too arrogant, or they're too stubborn to do something" about the fact that the fixturing is uneven, which can affect the outcome of the Coleman medal.

If we had any integrity at all, we would ... uhhh ... forfeit all games against teams we have already played this season?
 
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