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Planning on soon getting yearly blood work taken just so i can track how things are changing.

As long as i'm active, fit, strong i'm not worried about it.

3 servings of meat is only 150g protein.
 
yeah, fair enough. As you say, you guys are probably more active than 95% of the population so that mitigates it quite a bit.

I guess, just since I've really started delving into nutrition I'm finding quite a lot of the 'raw foodist' types of arguments pretty compelling from a longevity point of view in regard to looking after your digestive system. As long as you eat lots of fruit and veggies as well should be ok. It's those Atkins type diets that really worry me.
 
I've run keto (no carb) diets a few times too during cuts. Never had any issues. My macros from memory were: 150g pro, 150-160g fat, < 15g carbs. bratwurst sausages, quarter a block of mersey valley cheese each day, salads with ranch sauce, everything else covered in full fat mayo. Tasty way to diet.

There are studies found that eating keto diets actually improve your hdl-ldl ratios.

Although i love carbs, so only run them for 3-4 months at a time.
 

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I've run keto (no carb) diets a few times too during cuts. Never had any issues. My macros from memory were: 150g pro, 150-160g fat, < 15g carbs. bratwurst sausages, quarter a block of mersey valley cheese each day, salads with ranch sauce, everything else covered in full fat mayo. Tasty way to diet.

There are studies found that eating keto diets actually improve your hdl-ldl ratios.

Although i love carbs, so only run them for 3-4 months at a time.
Hnnnnnng dat cheese and mayo

Man I miss cheese and vegemite sandwhiches :(
 
Earlier in this thread people were estimating body fat - what's the best way to do so aside from the scales which I have no desire to purchase? After losing a few kgs I need some help!
 
I posted this on the Freo board during a random off-topic conversation once. I was the only one who preferred the 15-17% girl over the 25%.

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So I take it visual comparisons is the way to go? Do people give much credence to the whole pinching/skin folds thing? I also put in my measurements including neck (?!) in an online calculator for 18% but I can see how flawed that would be..
 
So I take it visual comparisons is the way to go? Do people give much credence to the whole pinching/skin folds thing? I also put in my measurements including neck (?!) in an online calculator for 18% but I can see how flawed that would be..
i thought you looked about 18% in that previous pic you posted, so you could well be less than that now.

Skinfold test is a pretty accurate way to measure it. You just need someone who is experienced at doing it. One of the trainers at your gym probably be ok.
 
I'd probably choose the body of the 25%, but at the same time think the 15-17% looks better than the 20-22%; It's probably the body itself over the bf% yeah?


Fair call - I'd take the 25% girl over the 20-22% one too. The latter has quite manly proportions when it comes to the hip to shoulder ratio.

I think the proportions of the 15% girl and the 25% one aren't too different though, besides the body fat %.
 
I'm about 25% BF but would destroy everyone here aerobically. Big muscles are often mistaken as a sign of fitness IMO.
 
Yep, hard or impossible to run long distances @ elite pace with a big frame. Need to have it as lean as can be.

Which is why I'll never be an elite long distance runner. No slouch either though, might provide some good competition for a fair portion of a race (target practice) haha.
 

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I'm about 25% BF but would destroy everyone here aerobically. Big muscles are often mistaken as a sign of fitness IMO.

I dont think anyone is claiming they are
Two completely different areas of fitness

Indeed. They are complete opposites. One relies on anaerobic ability the other aerobic ability.

I was always quick but, was never able to build my aerobic capacity, whether that be because of injury or asthma my whole life. Lifting is the perfect exercise for people like me who were born with anaerobic ability, whereas obviously the man above was born with aerobic capabilities similar to that of say, Ling.
 
Indeed. They are complete opposites. One relies on anaerobic ability the other aerobic ability.

I was always quick but, was never able to build my aerobic capacity, whether that be because of injury or asthma my whole life. Lifting is the perfect exercise for people like me who were born with anaerobic ability, whereas obviously the man above was born with aerobic capabilities similar to that of say, Ling.
I honestly don't know my aerobic capacities form being a fat kid all my life i don't know what my potential aerobic capcities are.
I certainly wouldn't say i'm "fit" by any stretch of the word. I can run out a 40 minute social basketball game now very easily, but am planning on playing either Rugby League or Footy next season, i guess how fit i am will decide for me.
I obviously have failry good anaerobic capacities though, i'm quite explosive, but i'm still waiting to see how i can go over long extended sports

i will have to wait and see how my cardio goes because im not doing much now, besides basketball, because cardio kills gains, but over my cut i'll throw some in and then around november i'lls tart some serious pre seasons for Footy.
 
Fair call - I'd take the 25% girl over the 20-22% one too. The latter has quite manly proportions when it comes to the hip to shoulder ratio.

I think the proportions of the 15% girl and the 25% one aren't too different though, besides the body fat %.


The model in the 20-22% example is the only one angled away from the camera. In combination with black tights, it gives an illusion of a very narrow hips to shoulders.

Me personally, I have a liking to the look of the female athlete. I particularly like the bodies of many female sprinters hurdlers and vaulters. Other folks will argue that they look too masculine, but there is a particular look that I'm partial too...............A lot of it is due to the undeniable fact that I'm a butt and leg man and this is where female explosive track athletes excel.

Female bodybuilding however is going a bit too far for me aesthetically.
 
I'd probably choose the body of the 25%, but at the same time think the 15-17% looks better than the 20-22%; It's probably the body itself over the bf% yeah?

Fairly deceptive there.

25% clearly has the best body, but fair to say I think a little leaner is the 'ideal' body for me.

Great work Vonn, and in so little time.
 
Fairly deceptive there.

25% clearly has the best body, but fair to say I think a little leaner is the 'ideal' body for me.

Great work Vonn, and in so little time.

Thanks. I just want to add though, that I actually think 20-22% is poorly represented by that photo. With females, we have body shapes like all men do, but men obviously prefer the hourglass. The lady in that photo doesn't have that hourglass, and that's nothing to do with her body fat or muscle, just genetics. On the flip side, if you found a 25% who had a different body shape (i.e. pear) they wouldn't look as good. It's all relative to the individual.
If I had to put myself somewhere, it would probably be in 20-22 but my shape is different.
 
I'm about 25% BF but would destroy everyone here aerobically. Big muscles are often mistaken as a sign of fitness IMO.

I'm really surprised by that considering you do lots of triathlons.

Is it a normal bodyfat % for athletes in that sport? Going by the image below, it seems to heavy (although we all carry our fat differently depending on activity and height)

My exercise week consists of a 2 x lifting & weighted circuit sessions, 1-2 x cycling and 2 x interval running and train mostly for cycling events and trail runs. I'm probably about 13-14% so in between the 10 & 15% in the image below.

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I'm really surprised by that considering you do lots of triathlons.

Is it a normal bodyfat % for athletes in that sport? Going by the image below, it seems to heavy (although we all carry our fat differently depending on activity and height)

I did some work for the 70.3 Half Ironman in Busselton last month and I can guarantee there wasn't a single competitor in the mens top 20 who was even close to being over over 12%
 
I'm really surprised by that considering you do lots of triathlons.

Is it a normal bodyfat % for athletes in that sport? Going by the image below, it seems to heavy (although we all carry our fat differently depending on activity and height)

My exercise week consists of a 2 x lifting & weighted circuit sessions, 1-2 x cycling and 2 x interval running and train mostly for cycling events and trail runs. I'm probably about 13-14% so in between the 10 & 15% in the image below.

That's probably where i'm sitting at the moment too. Slightly softer than the 12% photo. Although psychologically i feel like the 25%.

Was at 8.7% (dexa tested) @ 76kg (slight water loss from excessive training) in December.

Now sitting around 86.5kg and guessing around 13%.

Have about 6 weeks of my bulk left before i get tested and start dieting again. Hoping i've added maybe 2kg water, 4-5kg muscle, 3-4kg of fat, but who knows.
 

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