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Menzel vs Toumpas vs Mayes vs Grundy.
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You are kidding your self if you think what Longer has achieved is better then Grundy, that is not a knock on Loner as he still has the potential to develop in to a wonderful player.
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Wood was not getting any better and was more Interested in the Party Scene and Girls then Footy.
I would of Kept Ceglar as I was super Surprised we De-Listed him.
Hine has said there was not any good Mature Age Rucks this off-season
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That Shows that to win the Flag you don’t have to have a Gun Ruckman
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I am looking forward to the Possible Grundy vs Longer Match-Up on Friday Night
Our list managment over the last three drafts is fine. We have more promise in our ruck divsion than we've had for a long time. We lack a mid aged ruck backup but I'd prefer Hudson chewing up zero of or salary cap on the rookie list over Wood who was getting paid plenty and delivering nothing for us.
The delisting of Ceglar at the time was a suprise but he's the same age as Witts and Grundy anyway. He wouldnt get a game for Collingwood and for his own personal development hes better off elsewhere.
Malthouses scant regard to Collingwoods ruck division is a long term criticism held by lots of people over a long time. It hasnt jsut popped up here to suit an argument.
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This season in his games Longer's ruck work has been first rate just without the fanfare. To be honest Im loving the work of both Hickey and Longer together they will be close to if not the best ruck duo in the coming years. The GC duo look to be there closest riavls.
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Which, in my opinion, translates to it being one of the least important positions, unless you have a proper gun footballer. The argument against, is that you need a big bloke that is just a big bloke, to combat the big bloke that is actually a good footballer as well. That is the idea that I'm not sold on. Which, getting back to my first post, is why I'd take any of the others ahead of Grundy. I'm not a fan of using early picks on pure ruckmen as it's too much of a lottery whether they turn into a Cox or a Renouf .. Seriously, Renouf .. that is ruckman-love out of control, surely? McEvoy not far behind ....
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Would have been good to see Longer/Hickey v Grundy/Witts to be honest.
I think Grundy will be one of the top rucks in the leagues in probably 3-4 years time. No doubt.
I'd still pick him third from this list though.
I'd have Mayes first. His a gun in the midfield and up forward. Your probably wondering why he is playing down back this year? It's because we need at least one good kick coming out of the defensive 50 and he provides that. In a perfect worl where we still had Rich and a couple of others, he'd be on the wing spending time up forward.
If we knew for sure these blokes would never get any serious injuries, I'd be tempted to take Menzel. Kid is a freak. Once he build his tank up, look out.
I've got Toumpas last, I've got no doubt he'll be a very good player. Was never going to come in and take the competition by storm.
I'd still pick him third from this list though.
I'd have Mayes first. His a gun in the midfield and up forward. Your probably wondering why he is playing down back this year? It's because we need at least one good kick coming out of the defensive 50 and he provides that. In a perfect worl where we still had Rich and a couple of others, he'd be on the wing spending time up forward.
If we knew for sure these blokes would never get any serious injuries, I'd be tempted to take Menzel. Kid is a freak. Once he build his tank up, look out.
I've got Toumpas last, I've got no doubt he'll be a very good player. Was never going to come in and take the competition by storm.
Apart from WCE you have not come up a side with a good ruck division yet this is why I hate mid season comparisons. I am happy to talk about who has had a better season when the year is over
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Yep exactly, obviously Pies are happy with Grundy and we are happy with Menzel etc, but will be good to compare after they have all played 50 games onwards.
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Who has a good ruck division then in your opinion? Warnock is a very good ruckman and Longer beat him.
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Guess what People think about Rucks can Differ quite a bit between People and probably both Answers are Correct
Warnock is alright in the ruck, play Freo, Geelong, North and Adelaide
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It is probably the most debated position on the ground. I'm a firm believe in playing skilled footballers regardless of size. In my opinion, short players are way too easily overlooked, and tall players are way too easily selected. Without wanting to offend anyone, tall people are generally less co-ordinated than short people! ... You guys have done well to get Kennedy and you've got Blair running around as well. Certainly, at times short players get shown-up for their size, but geez, people love focusing on it when it happens. Disproportionately to what it warrants, if you ask me.
That is a fairly subjective view.
A more objective view would suggest that Carlton won the hitouts 48 to 30 and Warnock had 40 hitouts to Longer's 26. While i don't have the hitout to advantage stats at hand I would be very surprised if St Kilda had more. Having watched the game live and on replay bI would say Carlton won in hte ruck comprehensively.
It is interesting how fans can see the same game so differently.
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Longer had more to advantage which is basically the stat that counts.
No one stat counts more then the other, Longer having more to advantage could just mean Carlton have shit mids or that St Kildas mids are better at reading the opponents taps. It is hard to base an argument around stats
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Well Collingwood have a fantastic midfield yet their clearance numbers are low so Id suggest hit out's to advantage is pretty important.
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I think that is a pretty good assessment - and I agree with everything there.
The only thing to say is that every club is different, and with how the rest of our list is setup, I am very happy that we have Grundy, and would choose him out of the 4 any day of the week - for OUR LIST. (And I am sure Carlton fans would say exactly the same about Menzel)... but I am not saying that he is better than the others, and dont have a problem with people listing him 3rd talent/performance-wise.
Have you got a link to those stat as I very much doubt you are correct on total number of hitout to advantage on the day (rather than who just had the higher % of hitout to advantage which isn't really relevant).
You seem to be like some of the Collingwood supporters here pumping up the efforts of someone who has been clearly beaten.
Yet we are still winning games, you just keep demonstrating your lack of knowledge and try and make everything a Collingwood v St Kilda argument
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