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Hurley. When it comes to a close call I will always favor a player with more football nous over someone with a physical or athletic edge.
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Michael Hurley or Jackson Trengove?
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Is that confirmed?
I swore I heard it was 3.01.
Either way, it really doesn't worry me all that much, I still don't believe you can read too far into that.
Trengove for me. Can play forward and back, just looks a classier footballer.
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Trengove is a footballer and a very good one too
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I am aware that Trengove has ability.
31 replies in this thread and you have made 8 of them. Are you related to Jackson?
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I I understand the concern over Hurley's pace, but I would be interested to match his Draft camp times against players like Lloyd, Fevola, Hall, Franklin etc just to see how he matches up. Does anyone know their times??
It is a bit difficult to make a judgement without a comparative. Notwithstanding, football brain and reading of the play / flight of the ball adequately makes up for any lack of pace
To me, Hurley looms as a relatively safe bet whereas Trengove has a bit of x factor, although one wonders how much his ranking has benefited on these boards by being out of the spotlight and his deficiencies subsequently not scrutinised to the same extent as Hurley.
It is a bit difficult to make a judgement without a comparative. Notwithstanding, football brain and reading of the play / flight of the ball adequately makes up for any lack of pace
To me, Hurley looms as a relatively safe bet whereas Trengove has a bit of x factor, although one wonders how much his ranking has benefited on these boards by being out of the spotlight and his deficiencies subsequently not scrutinised to the same extent as Hurley.
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Paddy's played his best footy at CHB, make no mistake about that, as for struggling on the gun key forwards well yes, thats true but also remember he's done some very good jobs on them as well.
As for the Hurley v Trengove debate, IMO too much is being made of Hurley's 20m sprint, yes 3.11 is a little on the slowish side but you tell me what defender (no matter how fast) can stop a lace out pass to a Fevola/Franklin lead?
I reckon teams like carlton,essendon,Port Adelaide will go for midfielders in their first pick.
I have a sneaky suspicion that Collingwood will take either Hurley or Trengrove with our first pick 11.With the talent available at least one of these guys will fall to us if we want them.
Hines always surprises when he recruits ,i think he rates key position players moreso than midfielders,and actually quite a wise move long term.
With presti only having a year or two left picking up Hurley or trengrove in the backline with obrien,brown,maxwell,shaw,goldsac,Anthony would really solidify our backline.
Hines may then go for midfielders with our later picks.Like a Robinson,zakaharis,hannenbury that mould would would still be good pick ups.
I have a sneaky suspicion that Collingwood will take either Hurley or Trengrove with our first pick 11.With the talent available at least one of these guys will fall to us if we want them.
Hines always surprises when he recruits ,i think he rates key position players moreso than midfielders,and actually quite a wise move long term.
With presti only having a year or two left picking up Hurley or trengrove in the backline with obrien,brown,maxwell,shaw,goldsac,Anthony would really solidify our backline.
Hines may then go for midfielders with our later picks.Like a Robinson,zakaharis,hannenbury that mould would would still be good pick ups.
I reckon you have no idea. Port will probably most certainly pick up Vickery. Essendon may go for a mid but need backman and Carlton need key position players so could go for either Hurley or Trengrove
Hurley has played at both ends and very well, so how can you use that as a point on which to pick Trengove over Hurley?
Trengove has also spent a lot of time in the ruck, a position which he won't be able to play at AFL level, so Hurley has a lot more experience playing as both a forward & a defender.
You're likening Hurley to Mal Michael; Trengove to Bock & using this as an example of why Trengove will be better?!?
Michael had a brilliant career & was a key component of 3 premierships.
Bock has only played one season anywhere near that standard.
Trengove currently stands at 197cm. He just turned 18. In the next few months he could easily do a Naitanui and grow 3-4cm. Then he would be a very exciting ruck prospect well capable of holding down a key position. If he lasts to pick 8 I'll be very disappointed if Richmond doesn't swoop on him.
Also, 3.11 compared to 2.90 for the 20 is a massive difference. An earlier poster blithely dismissed the difference
rolleyes.But I agree that football nous is a better key indicator for a Defender than pure speed.
Smyth94
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Also, 3.11 compared to 2.90 for the 20 is a massive difference. An earlier poster blithely dismissed the difference
But I agree that football nous is a better key indicator for a Defender than pure speed.
Yeah but running a 2.9 didn't help Courtney Johns become a good footballer didn't it?
Johns failed because he wasn't a footballer, among other things.
I doubt Hurley will completely bomb out because of his 20m sprint time, he has just too much going for him.
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hurley's pace isn't that bad!
3.11 seconds for the 20m sprint? if so that means his only just under one third of a second slower than anyone ever tested.
3.11 seconds for the 20m sprint? if so that means his only just under one third of a second slower than anyone ever tested.
Hm.. you really have no idea about any of this year's draftees, do you? Have you ever seen any of them play a game?
You're likening Hurley to Mal Michael; Trengove to Bock & using this as an example of why Trengove will be better?!?
Michael had a brilliant career & was a key component of 3 premierships.
Bock has only played one season anywhere near that standard.
Bock had shown for about 3 years that he could play that well as a CHB, it just happened that injury and Adelaide's complete lack of a forward line meant that he hadn't been left there. Many Crows supporters, myself included, put our balls on the line at the beginning of the year, saying that he would, without a doubt get AA CHB given a full season in the position. His form this season was no real suprise to those who closely followed the Crows. (To PIHL, Bock was a good forward, but I don't think you could say very good)
Anyways thats another story, my thoughts on the issue is that Hurley is an extremely safe choice, he will be an extremely good defender, someone you could build your defence around and trust to do a job every week. Trengrove, however I think has a much higher ceiling in terms of potential, but carries much higher risk. His athleticism will make him very valuable as forwards become more and more athletic.
I think the situation at Adelaide at the moment is a prime example, Hurley by the sounds is very similar to Rutten, big, strong boy, not athletically gifted but reads the play extremely well, excellent spoiler, easily strong enough to go with the J. Browns of this world. Rutten got AA FB in '05, back when your man mountain forwards were mainstream, however, in the past year or so he has been exposed on the odd occasion by the taller more athletically gifted forwards and as such whilst still being a top 5 FB and vital to our side, will probably never get another AA jumper.
Bock on the other hand, slightly taller, much more athletically gifted who can punish opponents going the other way, whilst giving up very little in the strengths stakes, is your prototype KPD going into the future. Bock has taken over our #1 defender tag and will probably be in the running for AA for a few years to come. Rutten will still be vital to our side, but will take much more of a back seat role to Bock.
This is how I see it with the Hurley and Trengrove, in Hurley you'll get a defender who'll do a job week in week out, but may never quite be in that top 2 or 3 for his position, you'd still be rapt to have him, but Trengrove could be this, just happens to have much higher risk attached to him.
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Also, 3.11 compared to 2.90 for the 20 is a massive difference. An earlier poster blithely dismissed the difference
But I agree that football nous is a better key indicator for a Defender than pure speed.
Particularly when you're talking a CHB rather than a FB - making all the doubts about him having the speed to keep up with the likes of Buddy and Fev on the lead irrelevant. Be VERY happy to welcome Michael to the Carlton family in a few weeks should this eventuate.
