Coach Michael Voss

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bigblueboy said:
Kicking techniques are overrated … it’s more about confidence in the process.
Not one of the top 30 AFL/VFL goalkickers have exactly the same technique. For example think about Buddy, Fev, Sticks, Richo …
Our guys are completely lacking in confidence. Too much ‘you are ok, it will come’ rather than demanding best practice.
They look like they fear the outcome rather than focus the on the process.
It’s my view coaches can play a massive role here.
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100% it’s about a repeatable, reliable action- like a golf swing Bubba, Furyk, Daly etc doesn’t matter how it looks at start or thru the swing- at impact they are exactly the same & they can repeat it.
It’s belief in the action - why do u think they sit at the range for hours just trying “get the feel/find the groove”, the work they put in strengthens the belief.
They focus on having the work put in so when the moment appears & they have to perform under extreme pressure they just drop back to there level of training & step up.
Would love to see the players taking shots back on the ground after the game, fatigued as ****, working through it.
 
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You often hear coaches and players from other clubs talk after a win about solid plans made during the week when they come up against an opponent with certain strengths.

I cannot remember when we did that last. Every win we have is off the back of grunt and contested possession…there’s never any hint of an identifiable plan to combat an opponent. There is zero difference in our game style…we just do the same stuff every week and hope for the best.

We have zero footy IQ. Our players just seem lost and there’s no hint in the coaches box they have much clue either…it’s all very reactionary.

As I’ve said from day dot, I don’t and didn’t think Vossy was senior coach material…but now that he’s there, we’d be a basket case if we sacked him.

He needs to be surrounded by super intelligent assistants with a track record at successful clubs, along with at least one ex senior coach.

But right now this is all so deflating. Back to being the butt of people’s jokes and it sucks.
 

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It's the crap about shining losses. It's breading a soft mentality, where it's ok if we try hard enough but not enough, but it's rubbish. I can't imagine David Parkin coming out after a loss and saying how it's ok because we had moments of good stuff. He'd rip into us. And our players knew what the standard was.

I like Voss and I think he's for us but this soft mentality at the moment, Weiters comments for example, Voss public ally each week, just creates a soft culture. This isn't grade 4 where we get a participation sticker.
 
Pixelshooter said:
You often hear coaches and players from other clubs talk after a win about solid plans made during the week when they come up against an opponent with certain strengths.

I cannot remember when we did that last. Every win we have is off the back of grunt and contested possession…there’s never any hint of an identifiable plan to combat an opponent. There is zero difference in our game style…we just do the same stuff every week and hope for the best.

We have zero footy IQ. Our players just seem lost and there’s no hint in the coaches box they have much clue either…it’s all very reactionary.

As I’ve said from day dot, I don’t and didn’t think Vossy was senior coach material…but now that he’s there, we’d be a basket case if we sacked him.

He needs to be surrounded by super intelligent assistants with a track record at successful clubs, along with at least one ex senior coach.

But right now this is all so deflating. Back to being the butt of people’s jokes and it sucks.
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We are a basket case already.

The idea that we should continue with an awful coach who is taking the club backwards to avoid mocking and humiliaition from the outside is horrendous.

They are already laughing at us.. again. Take a peek at the main board to see that. It is going to get louder and worse from here too

At least a new coach offers hope for change. More of the same is somehow better?
 
HarryFlashman said:
They topped the list but it wasn’t due to accuracy, it was due to having more shots.
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Exactly

Both converted in the low 60%, Charlie still at that ratio (like most footballers)

Harry has dropped below 50% this year and would be well aware of he needs to work on a consistent routine
 
btdg said:
We are a basket case already.

The idea that we should continue with an awful coach who is taking the club backwards to avoid mocking and humiliaition from the outside is horrendous.

They are already laughing at us.. again. Take a peek at the main board to see that. It is going to get louder and worse from here too

At least a new coach offers hope for change. More of the same is somehow better?
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Surely you aren't worried about being mocked, or it's a reason to sack a coach
 
btdg said:
At least a new coach offers hope for change. More of the same is somehow better?
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Shocking when you’re trying to build a culture at the club. Has far more ramifications than just whacking someone else there and expecting a different result.

I’m certainly not advocating we continue with the same strategies…read my post. That’s what needs to happen.

How many stories are there of clubs chopping and changing coaches and all of a sudden picking one that has worked out? Compare that with the clubs that stuck with their coaches through tough periods…but made substantial changes around them and went on to achieve great success.

I know which option I’d be recommending.
 
SkyhorseTamer said:
Under?!?

West coast have a WAFL team averaging 64 a game. We're not worse than a WAFL team. * that is bad
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It's often difficult for supporters to see any light at times of great challenge. We know some people are just better than others at remaining true to a cause. That's life. There is absolutely no shame in despairing a situation perceived as desperate.
 
gbatman said:
Exactly what I have been saying. This has been our issue post Parkin.

My theory, no one wants to work for us due to our reputation.
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Thing is when you have been the worst club this century, how long are we supposed to be giving coaches.

Pagan got 4.5 seasons, Ratts 5 seasons, bolts 3.5. Not that I am advocating sacking Voss this second.
 
Pixelshooter said:
Shocking when you’re trying to build a culture at the club. Has far more ramifications than just whacking someone else there and expecting a different result.

I’m certainly not advocating we continue with the same strategies…read my post. That’s what needs to happen.

How many stories are there of clubs chopping and changing coaches and all of a sudden picking one that has worked out? Compare that with the clubs that stuck with their coaches through tough periods…but made substantial changes around them and went on to achieve great success.

I know which option I’d be recommending.
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It's hard though - lots of those coaches that were stuck with 'thriugh hard periods' still had incremental improvements in each year provable by ladder position win number and percentage improvements. Dimma, Clarkson, even Goodwin improved two years in a row on what had been dished up by previous coaches before having a dip year. There was proof the 'coaches that were persevered with' were improving a playing group both individually and how they played as a team.


Voss has not very long left to show he's improved this team in anyway since he took over. As far as I can tell most players are worse, all their fundamentals are through the floor and slipping worse and only genuine superstars are somewhat resisting this errosion of talent.... Somewhat. If you stick with Voss. What are you even sticking with at this stage? He's not showing anything in the way of improvement which is highly concerning. You stick with people who show improvement... As They're still improving. You cut bait with people who aren't improving. Voss has to show improvement for the rest of the season. Don't think he can survive the end of year review that says this team's worse than it was under Teague and worse than it was offensively under Bolton. With bigger stronger more experienced and more talented bodies.
 

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We need to stick fat with Vossy IMO. He’s got enough attributes to be a good coach. Develop him like Richmond developed Dimma. What we need is better support around him. Vossy’s job is to be a leader. Keep the boys calm and focused. We know he’s a great leader.
If tactics is not a strength then we need to supplement him with those skills with great assistant coaches. The best fitness staff. And list management who can accurately assess the profile of the list.
Vossy is not the scapegoat. It has to be Brad Lloyd


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Ockhams razor said:
Drums are beating. Lots of disharmony at senior levels.

It’s rarely, if ever, only the senior coach‘s fault, however, it is always the senior coach who cops it.

Rather than simply exiting Voss, the club needs to ask did it ever set him up for success? (Refer to assistant coaches and off field structure…)

If Voss is sacked, rather than another rinse and repeat, significant structural changes need to occur. Alternatively, and rather novelly, they could keep Voss and provide him with the appropriate support, i.e. not Hamill & Clarke for a start…..
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Great to see you OR. Thanks.
 
Blue By Blood said:
A bulk of the inaccuracy is coming from the slow ball movement and wide angle shots which we get as a result of how we’re playing and the game plan. We never have space in our forward line, it’s always crowded. Forwards don’t lead up at the ball. We simply don’t get any easy goals in open play. We control territory for large portions and then concede an easy goal the other way. It’s deflating because the player effort is there.

The modern game can’t all be about contested footy. It’s now more than ever about transition footy and scoring from turnovers. Voss coaches how he plays with a huge emphasis on contested footy. We win that most weeks. I’m not sure our mids can do much more. We need the outside layers to our game and unless Voss pivots on the game plan, we aren’t going anywhere under him.
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Bingo

Tell me we couldn't win the last few games with a better structure and scoreboard pressure.
 
SkyhorseTamer said:
It's hard though - lots of those coaches that were stuck with 'thriugh hard periods' still had incremental improvements in each year provable by ladder position win number and percentage improvements. Dimma, Clarkson, even Goodwin improved two years in a row on what had been dished up by previous coaches before having a dip year. There was proof the 'coaches that were persevered with' were improving a playing group both individually and how they played as a team.


Voss has not very long left to show he's improved this team in anyway since he took over. As far as I can tell most players are worse, all their fundamentals are through the floor and slipping worse and only genuine superstars are somewhat resisting this errosion of talent.... Somewhat. If you stick with Voss. What are you even sticking with at this stage? He's not showing anything in the way of improvement which is highly concerning. You stick with people who show improvement... As They're still improving. You cut bait with people who aren't improving. Voss has to show improvement for the rest of the season. Don't think he can survive the end of year review that says this team's worse than it was under Teague and worse than it was offensively under Bolton. With bigger stronger more experienced and more talented bodies.
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If Voss was an untried coach you’d give him benefit of any doubt and maybe throw some support around him.

But he failed at lions and been an assistant at port since. I think it’s fair to say we’ve seen enough by now that he just isn’t cut out for senior coaching. Great player but not made for coaching and that’s ok for him. However it’s Not ok for CFC …we need a better coach.
 
Accidental genius said:
If Voss was an untried coach you’d give him benefit of any doubt and maybe throw some support around him.

But he failed at lions and been an assistant at port since. I think it’s fair to say we’ve seen enough by now that he just isn’t cut out for senior coaching. Great player but not made for coaching and that’s ok for him. However it’s Not ok for CFC …we need a better coach.
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I still want to give him that benefit. But to me there's just gotta be that shift - it's not seismic - the focus needs to move to fundamentals and club needs to communicate with him clearly about it. Possibly just tell him they're getting a senior mentor / assistant wtvr the label ends up being.

I mean I hope that's what happens and the pr machine doesn't take over and sell a next coach sugar hit. Eat your fiber Carlton.
 
TENACIOUS said:
We need to back Voss in…

Surround him with assistants that excel in the modern game and in areas we lack…

Carlton need to learn, successful teams aren’t coached by just the head coach, it’s the whole package.
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Good coaches delegate.
Off season he gets specialist coaches to deliver help to players who need upskilling.
That's what good coaches do.
He knew what was needed before he got job.
He's had 2 pre seasons to start fixing it.

HE CANT COACH
 

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