Coach Michael Voss

[blues4flag]

Re going slow, that first quarter in particular was a massive departure from the footy we've played all year. More handball receives coming out of defence, going through the corridor, trying to run and carry.

It wasn't pretty and we lacked the polish / composure to pull it off but was a clear change in strategy. Second half the game devolved into a contested slog.

 

[lily of laguna]

Bad kicking is bad footy and sure the coach cant kick em from the box, but every goal is so arduous and laboured and that is on the coaching.

We dont have any semblance of forward structure nor do we have any connection between mids and forwards.

Pressure on the ball carrier to force a 'hail Charlie' and if he doesnt mark it, waltz it out of backline with barely any struggle. The oppo transition is chalk and cheese from ours.

Voss was pleased last night with the way we held them up leaving the defensive 50, they didnt have Rampe or their usual setup and still cut us up frequently.

Voss must have been checking his emails when Blakey tore through the middle multiple times or intercepted our forays forward.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I didn't have a problem with Voss' press conferemce. He was clear to the point and did not shirk issues. I don't buy he is not instilling a modern plan. I thought we tried to take the corridoor with the risky kick. I just don't think the list has the quality to play modern football or the onfield leadership to maintain standards

The players kick goals instead of behinds it's a different world.
They have to take the responsibilty for it, period.
I think its mental.
Maybe just trying too hard but in the wrong ways and yet never taking it serious enough.

 

[BlackGoanna]

I didn't have a problem with Voss' press conferemce. He was clear to the point and did not shirk issues. I don't buy he is not instilling a modern plan. I thought we tried to take the corridoor with the risky kick. I just don't think the list has the quality to play modern football or the onfield leadership to maintain standards

Agree with this. I have come to the realisation that our players are the problem - mentally soft


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[GT619]

Untenable.

Let’s see if Cook has what it takes to make some big decisions.

I doubt he does

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Untenable.

Let’s see if Cook has what it takes to make some big decisions.

Bruce Mathesion is that you??

 

[Curnowhan]

There is a school of thought that we need to stick fat with Voss because that is what a successful club would do.

During perhaps our most successful two decades, the 70s and 80s, we won six flags. In that time, excluding caretakers, we had nine coaches. Even in periods of success, we have not traditionally given coaches long tenures when they aren’t succeeding onfield.

Is the current situation all Voss’s fault? No.
Are we getting anywhere near the full potential out of our list? No.
Does something significant need to change? Yes

 

[ajb72]

If he has the kahunas to make some significant changes, then he’s got a chance. If he doesn’t, and continues on the stupidity then he can go.


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[Aphrodite]

There is a school of thought that we need to stick fat with Voss because that is what a successful club would do.

During perhaps our most successful two decades, the 70s and 80s, we won six flags. In that time, excluding caretakers, we had nine coaches. Even in periods of success, we have not traditionally given coaches long tenures when they aren’t succeeding onfield.

Is the current situation all Voss’s fault? No.
Are we getting anywhere near the full potential out of our list? No.
Does something significant need to change? Yes

 

[PowerBaz]

The most frustrating thing about his coaching, is how little he changes during a game. For example our small forwards are struggling, so why not give them bursts in the middle to get their hands in the ball, all other clubs do it. Also Kennedy wouldn’t hist best role be playing that diusty, DeGoey, stringer role as a mid / forward. To add some pace and better kicking wouldn’t you consider at times giving, Saad or Boyd a burst in the guts. We have no lead up forwards, we just put our two keys deep next to each other and the obvious direction to to bomb it to them. Why is our forward line always so crowded yet others have open forward lines. It is so easy to coach against. Change it up for god sake!

Not changing much during a game was a Hinkley trademark - until Tredrea put a rocket up the club and lo and behold Ken is on the bench and the assistants seem to be doing more.

 

[passmark]

There is a school of thought that we need to stick fat with Voss because that is what a successful club would do.

During perhaps our most successful two decades, the 70s and 80s, we won six flags. In that time, excluding caretakers, we had nine coaches. Even in periods of success, we have not traditionally given coaches long tenures when they aren’t succeeding onfield.

Is the current situation all Voss’s fault? No.
Are we getting anywhere near the full potential out of our list? No.
Does something significant need to change? Yes

You may as well be talking about the 1870’ and 1880’s.

Everything is different.

 

[Curnowhan]

You may as well be talking about the 1870’ and 1880’s.

Everything is different.

It’s certainly true that footy is very different to how it was then. What I guess I don’t really understand is the argument that only a rabble of a club would consider changing the coach at this time when things seem so fundamentally broken. In an ideal world, we would work it out and Voss would coach us to #17. I am not sure I see that happening.

 

[TJohn]

Board met this morning, wonder what about?

 

[BobP]

As disappointing as these past few weeks have been, sacking Voss isn't the solution. Like any coach he has his strengths and weaknesses. We need to mitigate the latter by erecting the necessary support structures around him, something which we've not done very well over the past twenty years.

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Board met this morning, wonder what about?

Where’s this been reported?

 

[TJohn]

One of my sons told me this morning it’s on the rumour mill in melbourne. He goes on some forum that the players visit.

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

One of my sons told me this morning it’s on the rumour mill in melbourne. He goes on some forum that the players visit.

Well if it’s true, maybe it was scheduled or maybe after last nights result they are planning the best way to go forward with the heat that’s coming this week which will be on another level!

 

[Michael Jezz]

How to kill a coach

Disposal efficency of our fwds v Swans
Owies 57%
Durdin 44% V Carlton team 72%
Motlop 40%
Curnow 39%
Mckay 25%
Avg 41%

NB- Fwds avg efficiency is around 60%

 

[TJohn]

Well if it’s true, maybe it was scheduled or maybe after last nights result they are planning the best way to go forward with the heat that’s coming this week which will be on another level!

Sound’s good. I actually like Vossy. As stubborn as he is.

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Sound’s good. I actually like Vossy. As stubborn as he is.

I like Vossy too and want him to turn it out, but I honestly feel his in a bit of trouble at years end if things don’t improve and we continue to go backwards. I think Dimma’s decision has changed things

 

[myblueroan]

As disappointing as these past few weeks have been, sacking Voss isn't the solution. Like any coach he has his strengths and weaknesses. We need to mitigate the latter by erecting the necessary support structures around him, something which we've not done very well over the past twenty years.

Seems like the best solution for this year at least. We can't afford to ruin player development.

 

[jpfalvo]

There is a school of thought that we need to stick fat with Voss because that is what a successful club would do.

During perhaps our most successful two decades, the 70s and 80s, we won six flags. In that time, excluding caretakers, we had nine coaches. Even in periods of success, we have not traditionally given coaches long tenures when they aren’t succeeding onfield.

Is the current situation all Voss’s fault? No.
Are we getting anywhere near the full potential out of our list? No.
Does something significant need to change? Yes

Great post.

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[passmark]

One of my sons told me this morning it’s on the rumour mill in melbourne. He goes on some forum that the players visit.

i think it's off that forum with the worst reputation in football.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

He’ll likely lose his job before his time because a group of people who have trained for most of their lives to kick a ball between two sticks, can’t.

Yeah it's that simple isn't it. We've won 8 of our last 30 games and it comes down to bad kicking

 

[passmark]

Yeah it's that simple isn't it. We've won 8 of our last 30 games and it comes down to bad kicking

A lot of it, yes.