Coach Michael Voss

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The problem with Voss and his tenure I think is partly the mixed messages from the board.

On one hand, Sayers says he expects us to be in contention for finals/highly competitive and on the flip side Brian Cook says our rebuild isn't over (a sentiment that I agree with more with each passing week)

The whole hierarchy of the club from the board through to all the coaches need to sit down and evaluate where do go from here for the rest of the season and going forwards.

Do we still aim for a finals push or do we just try prepare for 2024 and beyond ?

Both the board and coach(es) need to be on the same wavelength as to what we want to get out of/achieve for the rest of the season
 
Ockhams razor said:
Totally agree.

I’m not advocating for Voss to be sacked, but I am advocating for the club to at a minimum enter the modern world and provide the correct structure and support around the senior coach AND demand excellence in all that it does. Time to step up Brian Cook and stamp your mark.
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I have so many issues with Voss and his coaching/gameplan/man management/locker room environment/selection integrity etc

BUT...I don't want to go through another coaching crisis

My question Mr. OR (I assume he/him :)) is...do you believe that Voss has it in his nature to accept different, modern and contrary views about all aspects of coaching without letting his ego, possible preconceived biases or pig-headedness get in the way?
Will there be some pride-swallowing and genuine reflection for the greater good?
Otherwise, it's a waste of time process to get quality assistants
 
TJohn said:
One of my sons told me this morning it’s on the rumour mill in melbourne. He goes on some forum that the players visit.
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Most likely came from a certain Twitter fan account or that attention seeking Facebook fan account which shall not be named.
 

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TheReal99prelim said:
I have so many issues with Voss and his coaching/gameplan/man management/locker room environment/selection integrity etc

BUT...I don't want to go through another coaching crisis

My question Mr. OR (I assume he/him :)) is...do you believe that Voss has it in his nature to accept different, modern and contrary views about all aspects of coaching without letting his ego, possible preconceived biases or pig-headedness get in the way?
Will there be some pride-swallowing and genuine reflection for the greater good?
Otherwise, it's a waste of time process to get quality assistants
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Brian Cook is being paid big $ to be asking this exact question this week, if he feels he can’t evolve the game plan then we need to pull the trigger sooner than later.
 
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Beyond Blue said:
If only we had a good coach like Ross Lyon, oh wait…
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But still,
If only we did have a great coach. And line coaches. And Head of footy.
Like the Pies do.
 
Sqotty from office works said:
Just to clear this up for most people.
HE CANT COACH.
You can surround him with the best 234,000 assistant coaches, but he has final say.
AND HE STILL WONT BE ABLE TO COACH.


Nice bloke, great player yada yada yada
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Thanks for the update!
 
Sqotty from office works said:
Just to clear this up for most people.
HE CANT COACH.
You can surround him with the best 234,000 assistant coaches, but he has final say.
AND HE STILL WONT BE ABLE TO COACH.


Nice bloke, great player yada yada yada
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It's clear. But we can't get rid of him yet can we? Realistically? We have to support him with the best we can get for now.
 
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Kreuuuzeurns said:
Why can't we get rid of Voss? If we don't think he will take us to 17 he should be out on Monday. Spend the next 4 months finding the team who will.
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I'd be for it if we can guarantee top shelf support coaches and head of football.
Otherwise.
New fish
Same old water again.
 
Who in their right mind would want to pick up the reigns right now. We have a track record of binning people off and it hasn't helped. In fact, I'd say the players know they can dial it in when they don't like the trajectory because none of them company direct penalty for doing so.

If the support network is as garbage as we are hearing, put the broom through now and go without. Sometimes nothing is better than something. Let the players take control if they're that unhappy with the current groups.
 
Kreuuuzeurns said:
Why can't we get rid of Voss? If we don't think he will take us to 17 he should be out on Monday. Spend the next 4 months finding the team who will.
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Obviously Voss isn't the sole issue, he is just a cog in the system, albeit a large cog, but it's clear from what he's shown not only at Carlton but Brisbane, Port, he's not the man to coach to a premiership.

My issue that shows our coaching is rubbish and I've said it for a long time is kick ins. This is typically where the game stops, players get into positions and is more strategic and zone oriented. I cannot remember the last time we had any transition from D50 to F50 marks from a kick in. We at least showed something this week in going down the corridor once, but seriously we literally just bomb the ball long down the left every single time. On the flipside, we get absolutely carved up defending them. How is that possible? Players should know exactly where and what they should be doing, but they don't. It's seriously like every time. The players have no cohesion whatsoever. That's on coaching for me, not just Voss but all lines coaches.
 
Michael Jezz said:
I didn't have a problem with Voss' press conferemce. He was clear to the point and did not shirk issues. I don't buy he is not instilling a modern plan. I thought we tried to take the corridoor with the risky kick. I just don't think the list has the quality to play modern football or the onfield leadership to maintain standards
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Really, does it look like a modern game plan or a throwback to 20 years ago? I was at the game and almost the only time we tried to go through the middle was late in the last when the game was over.

The directive is clearly to control the ball by foot out of the backline and minimize turnovers. Move it along the boundary (almost always the same side of the ground) and then bomb it long to the forward line. No speed, no risks, no overlap handballs or run and carry.

It was infuriating the number of times we had options open to go through the middle and they were ignored for the long ball down the line.

Voss needs to wake up and make changes now but his press conference suggests he has no intention of changing things up.

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Arr0w said:
Exactly

Both converted in the low 60%, Charlie still at that ratio (like most footballers)

Harry has dropped below 50% this year and would be well aware of he needs to work on a consistent routine
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They are getting there chances if our small medium fwds were up to scratch the entries wouldn't be such a problem --
Put Adelaide Brisbane smalls on our fwd line see what we would score even put Higgins and butler ..
 
JyeDye said:
Obviously Voss isn't the sole issue, he is just a cog in the system, albeit a large cog, but it's clear from what he's shown not only at Carlton but Brisbane, Port, he's not the man to coach to a premiership.

My issue that shows our coaching is rubbish and I've said it for a long time is kick ins. This is typically where the game stops, players get into positions and is more strategic and zone oriented. I cannot remember the last time we had any transition from D50 to F50 marks from a kick in. We at least showed something this week in going down the corridor once, but seriously we literally just bomb the ball long down the left every single time. On the flipside, we get absolutely carved up defending them. How is that possible? Players should know exactly where and what they should be doing, but they don't. It's seriously like every time. The players have no cohesion whatsoever. That's on coaching for me, not just Voss but all lines coaches.
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Also defending them it is 20-30 times starting from stop play each game -- first goal Sydney kicked was like every week
 
marleyblue said:
Really, does it look like a modern game plan or a throwback to 20 years ago? I was at the game and almost the only time we tried to go through the middle was late in the last when the game was over.

The directive is clearly to control the ball by foot out of the backline and minimize turnovers. Move it along the boundary (almost always the same side of the ground) and then bomb it long to the forward line. No speed, no risks, no overlap handballs or run and carry.

It was infuriating the number of times we had options open to go through the middle and they were ignored for the long ball down the line.

Voss needs to wake up and make changes now but his press conference suggests he has no intention of changing things up.

On 2201116PG using BigFooty.com mobile app
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they definitely went through the middle in the first quarter. Then Sydney clogged up the corridor from quarter time onwards.
 
Ockhams razor said:
Drums are beating. Lots of disharmony at senior levels.

It’s rarely, if ever, only the senior coach‘s fault, however, it is always the senior coach who cops it.

Rather than simply exiting Voss, the club needs to ask did it ever set him up for success? (Refer to assistant coaches and off field structure…)

If Voss is sacked, rather than another rinse and repeat, significant structural changes need to occur. Alternatively, and rather novelly, they could keep Voss and provide him with the appropriate support, i.e. not Hamill & Clarke for a start…..
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Wasn’t the review in 2021 supposed to address the failings in the football Dept (and club, as it extended to the CEO)?

The input of Pav & co to see what we weren’t doing in context to other clubs so we should have had the insight to bolster where required.

Get out the chequebook and get Dunstall in (covers admin & footballing matters with aplomb), even though he rebuffed our invitation on the last merry go round.

Personally, the players and the rudderless leader/s need to take responsibility here for their lack of performance & below grade AFL skills.
 

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