Harsh, but not too far from the mark
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The part about our inside 50s and lack of uncontested marks was interesting and very apparent when you watch the game. Kick to Curnow and McKay's head.
His best attribute is his intercept marking and reading of the play. Matthew Scarlett, Darren Glass, and Alex Rance rarely played on the oppositions best forward. The thing is they all had Eric McKenzie, Harry Taylor, and Dylan Grimes as support. Weitering has no support, Kemp is not good enough. We need a second KPD
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I read it. Was a steaming pile of
based on nonsense.A team that's apparently systemless and poorly coached has the 2nd best scores from turnover differential in the comp... Probably the #1 indicator there is...
Just more media pile on pretending to be based in fact.
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This may be true but Carlton are number 1 in the competition in 2024 for goals per inside 50 and scoring shots per inside 50. So whilst we are not as clean or "nice-looking" as other teams we are being very efficient i50
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We took over Sydney on the weekend so number 1 now for turnover differentialI read it. Was a steaming pile of
A team that's apparently systemless and poorly coached has the 2nd best scores from turnover differential in the comp... Probably the #1 indicator there is...
Just more media pile on pretending to be based in fact.
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Wow... So we really must be poorly coached then!
We have two of the best key forwards in the modern game. We rely on them to complete miracles to score goals with our inside 50s at times.
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No we don't. You don't have that return over a whole season if you're relying on miracles. We have a system that plays to its strengths. While we do overuse them sometimes, Curnow and McKay consistently create goals for the team. Far more than anyone else in our forward line.
While uncontested marks would be nice to watch, we don't have the cattle for it due to the poor kicks in our front half. Fogarty, Motlop, Cottrell, Owies etc struggle to hit targets in wide open space let alone a congested forward line. Kicking to H and Charles is an extremely efficient method even if it looks scrappy at times.
Part of it is personnel, though.
We're seriously missing the danger of Martin, the competitiveness and smarts of Silvagni.
Williams made a big difference when he went forward but he's out, and none of our other forwards aside from Owies have had any continuity, and Owies lacks a real contested side.
Across the board we lack pace.
Given that, for it all to work, we need to be playing high pressure, and doing our basics well.
When that falls away, as it has the last 4 games, we struggle.
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"Miracles" don't get you ranked number 1 in the competition at something in my opinion.
Ok well let's continue to bomb it to Charlie 2 or 3 v 1 and see how talent stacks up against system I guess.
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While that all may be true, there was zero point leaving him on Dixon (who's got the mobility of a statue these days) while we were getting beaten elsewhere.
Just because his best attribute is intercept marking, doesn't mean that's all he should be doing. It was clear on Friday night that Kemp wasn't up to it with Esava, our best defender should've gone to him on the night.
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Exactly this - I have given up on us ever looking like a peak Sydney this year where they just cut you apart with disposal. It is a far more attractive brand of football but our list has not been constructed to do that consistently.
Instead, our list has heaps of players that excel at the contested side of the game and our style is built on that. We aren't particularly clean but we drive the ball deep i50 to two gun key forward and it leads to scores from them or our smalls who have largely put a good amount of pressure on. Players like Williams and Motlop also have that crumbing ability we used to lack.
Again it doesn't look pretty but the numbers say it is very efficient. The challenge now is to swing the i50 differential more in our favour and give our forwards more opportunities whilst lessening the burden on our back 7. That is on the midfield.
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Without Harry on the weekend we should have adjusted our entries more I agree but when he has been there I don't think this has been a major issue.
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Weiters towelled up Dixon (2 score involvements), while Esava managed 2.1 (a total of 3 score involvements) on Kemp, who is very undersized to play on either of those guys.
Esava V Kemp is a fair way down the list of reasons for our loss (-10 clearances, - 11 inside 50s).
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Towelling up Dixon can be done by anyone. If the kick doesn't land on his head, he's out of the contest. The guy is absolutely cooked.
Not suggesting it was the reason we lost but these are the types of moves I think Vossy/the coaching staff need to be more pragmatic about mid game.
Perhaps we need to expand the reasoning, rather than just Weitering on Dixon
Playing on the deepest forward, Weitering can also direct traffic with our defensive unit
Or, perhaps we need to look at better KPD options, rather than giving the likes of Young and Kemp a so called easier match up
Esava is way too quick for Weitering, Kemp or Young are quick enough, but their positioning was really poor, especially Kemp
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Eh it can be both. I think our stoppages are horrendously coached and purely rely on the brilliance of one of the stars to get the ball first or bust. I think in other areas we look really disciplined and well set up. It's a mix but in some departments I agree, we seem to be poor on the details/adjustments and creativity sometimes.
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Same as it did last finals series is my guess. How many goals did those 2 kick in those games...
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This argument comes down to one question... Do you really believe we'd play the same style of footy delivering the ball inside 50 and playing straight lanes down the wing if we added Gulden, Miers, Brent Daniels and Stengle to the side? The answer is obviously no.
The simple truth is, often the 50/50 targets inside 50 are beyond the capabilities of Owies, Motlop, Fog, Cottrell etc to hit consistently. None of them are elite kicks, they never have been and likely never will be. Cripps, Hewett, Walsh, Kennedy too, none are gifted by foot.
Thats why we looked so much more dangerous when Williams and Hollands were both available playing up the ground more. Get Martin and Williams fully fit and in form to help Fog and Elijah and id be willing to bet every dollar I own that our inside 50 woes would vanish in a heartbeat. They are simply much more skilled by foot than the others and create scores through their body work footy IQ.
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We are number 1 in first touches at stoppage, but 10th in turning first touches into clearances. Is that coaching, or just poor form? We are getting our hands on the ball, but struggle to turn that into a positive impact on the gameEh it can be both. I think our stoppages are horrendously coached and purely rely on the brilliance of one of the stars to get the ball first or bust. I think in other areas we look really disciplined and well set up. It's a mix but in some departments I agree, we seem to be poor on the details/adjustments and creativity sometimes.
Just hurry up and fix points against from stoppage ffs
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Two main things, our delivery exiting our 50 and the delivery entering our 50 stink to high heaven. Seeing Hawks and Freo this season who have less talent and are hitting their straps are just pin pointing players left right and centre. Charlie and Harry would be on 80+ goals each this season if our delivery was better thought out and to their advantage.
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Because we don't have set patterns/ 'cohesion' is my answer. In that, We may get the ball but we are under pressure, there are no blocks, taps to free players, hitting a tap at Pace. I've seen Walsh get hands first to the ball 50 times the last few weeks and have 2 players hanging off him making disposal impossible OR he gets his handball away to someone stationary who immediately gets crunched. Cripps and TDK have the power to break the first and even second tackle attempt which gives the other mids time to spread and then we exit stoppage nicely. But it basically only happens in that circumstance from what I can see. Obviously the other option is the hack it forward .....
In saying that, I think that's ok. I am more concerned about the seeming arrogance in each stoppage player 'i will win it and if I don't someone else can stop my opponent'. We get scored against way too easily and stoppage exits are too efficient by our opponents for my liking.
