Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[Borisdog]

Got it.
Hypocrisy is only good if it's progressive.
You can only be brainwashed if you're old.
That's made it all easy for me then.
My life just became better.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Got it.
Hypocrisy is only good if it's progressive.
You can only be brainwashed if you're old.
That's made it all easy for me then.
My life just became better.

I don't think that's true.

I know heaps of Lefties that have strong left idealogies and can be quite outspoken - but when push comes to shove they don't always apply their idealogies in real life. I find that really annoying.

I also have Rightie friends that regurgitate nasty and hateful narratives that they hear on Sky News and read in the Herald-Sun - but in practice they're actually incredibly kind and tolerant people.

This is why idealogies are so problematic these days. People fight over them and they're so divisive - but the reality is that almost no one actually lives their life in that space.

That's why these anti-woke tirades are so stupid. They're dreamt up by political parties and their media lackeys to make themselves relevant.

And people constantly get sucked in.

I means seriously, the AFL is a bunch of rich, white private school boys - and apparently they're behind the great race replacement or something??

FFS. They're a company that wants a bigger customer base - so they try to appeal to as broad a section of the community as possible.

This isn't about idealogies. You're a complete dick if you think it is.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

And if you don't believe how easy it is to brainwash people - how come now Righties like Trump?

On what planet would a conservative like Donald Trump?

And on what planet would lefties be cheering for a Cheney at a rally?

 

[Borisdog]

I don't think that's true.

I know heaps of Lefties that have strong left idealogies and can be quite outspoken - but when push comes to shove they don't always apply their idealogies in real life. I find that really annoying.

I also have Rightie friends that regurgitate nasty and hateful narratives that they hear on Sky News and read in the Herald-Sun - but in practice they're actually incredibly kind and tolerant people.

This is why idealogies are so problematic these days. People fight over them and they're so divisive - but the reality is that almost no one actually lives their life in that space.

That's why these anti-woke tirades are so stupid. They're dreamt up by political parties and their media lackeys to make themselves relevant.

And people constantly get sucked in.

I means seriously, the AFL is a bunch of rich, white private school boys - and apparently their behind the great race replacement or something??

FFS. They're a company that wants a bigger customer base - so they try to appeal to as broad a section of the community as possible.

This isn't about idealogies. You're a complete dick if you think it is.

Mate you missed my point by that far it's astonishing.

I'll give you a hint.

What I wrote wasn't about the article, more like the pile on that ALWAYS happens when anyone challenges the "Progressive" groupthink.

I don't like "woke" as a label, I think virtue-signalling sums it up much better as a label. It's mindless waffle that large corporations come out with in bucketsful, but don't actually "march the march". Alas, many are "brainwashed" by it. You're definitely correct in saying people get sucked in by it, from all sectors of beliefs. And all spectrums of politics.

And the spelling is ideology.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Certainly the corporates tick a box, social license is as hypocrisy of the finest order. In the case of AFL who want to be seen as being a progressive leader, yet won't go near addressing gambling advertising as it directly impacts their revenue

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Well it got out to the public as it was always going to. They didn't need to "notify" any venue of anything if they were just going to continue to serve as normal on Australia day. Why would they do this other than to virtue signal? What is the purpose? The culture stuff is important (and it DOES exist, that's why it gets such a strong reaction) because politics is downstream from it. If you lose the culture war, you lose the politics. The hard left pushed this crap for 30 years and look how divided it became. The woke stuff has been out-of-taste for everyone for a couple of years now and the public have been two steps ahead of the institutions. The woke stuff is outdated, un-cool, divisive and allows those that push it to be mean and cruel armed with false virtue. We will look back at the early 2020's thirty years from now and wonder what the hell we were thinking. It seems to be dying the death it deserves, and you should embrace that.

It was simple internal communications. You’re allowed to do that in business. It’s not virtue signalling. A simple directive that we’re not going to visibly mark Australia Day in venues because it’s not appreciated by some of our staff and customers. That’s it.

We’re not shutting pubs. We’re not stopping anybody coming in and doing and saying what they like.

It’s not a “hard left” move. There is no “hard left” movement of any size or consequence in Australia.

Nobody would even have noticed. Nobody would care. As long as people get their public holiday they don’t give a shit. Australia has never been a demonstrably patriotic nation. It’s imported and confected from the US to serve the purpose.

News Ltd got hold of it - having a network / radar for this stuff is the only effective research they do - and ran wild. Articles, videos, social media etc all labelling it a controversy.

It didn’t cause any controversy. They just relentlessly label it as such.

It’s all totally manufactured by News Ltd and their political partners. To the point where we have people claiming the company started it by putting out a press release that was “woke virtue signalling”.

Something that did. not. happen.

It’s never ending and it’s just all a scam. The purpose is to keep the narrative away from their true intentions, which is to slowly strip away your services, your quality of life and your economic standing so that further wealth can be accrued by billionaires. They’ve been doing it for decades.

The worst thing is somehow it works on many people.

 

[tora tora tora]

"The Left" is also Herald Sun/3AW territory which is used as the "boogie man" to scare Boomers

I'm not entirely sure what the Left now entails but I think it means anyone who doesn't vote Liberal

I'm late era Boomer. My circle of friends saw Gough end conscription; start medibank; land rights; free university etc etc etc.
Gough's a saint.

The Green are what Labor used to be.

Herald suns always been Liberal party backer. Despite Liberal party getting smashed last election.

I guess 33% of the electorate have their party in power at any given time. 10 years of Federal Liberal govt, 10 years of Liberal rule in NSW, 10 years of Labor rule in Qld,


I'm in NSW and Liberal party introduced Welcome to Country in schools.

 

[Borisdog]

It was simple internal communications. You’re allowed to do that in business. It’s not virtue signalling. A simple directive that we’re not going to visibly mark Australia Day in venues because it’s not appreciated by some of our staff and customers. That’s it.

We’re not shutting pubs. We’re not stopping anybody coming in and doing and saying what they like.

It’s not a “hard left” move. There is no “hard left” movement of any size or consequence in Australia.

Nobody would even have noticed. Nobody would care. As long as people get their public holiday they don’t give a shit. Australia has never been a demonstrably patriotic nation. It’s imported and confected from the US to serve the purpose.

News Ltd got hold of it - having a network / radar for this stuff is the only effective research they do - and ran wild. Articles, videos, social media etc all labelling it a controversy.

It didn’t cause any controversy. They just relentlessly label it as such.

It’s all totally manufactured by News Ltd and their political partners. To the point where we have people claiming the company started it by putting out a press release that was “woke virtue signalling”.

Something that did. not. happen.

It’s never ending and it’s just all a scam. The purpose is to keep the narrative away from their true intentions, which is to slowly strip away your services, your quality of life and your economic standing so that further wealth can be accrued by billionaires. They’ve been doing it for decades.

The worst thing is somehow it works on many people.

You don't think that Australian Venue Co were, at minimum, engaging in a little virtue-signalling toward their employees?

I've written this elsewhere before, but I'll summarise again. I spent a very long time in the mining industry and the virtue-signalling in the last 15 or so years of my career before I retired became ridiculous. I won't bore you with examples but it was base hypocrisy at its finest.

My thoughts at the time were - my opinion is my own. You do not, as my employer, have the right to force your cynical opinion politics down my throat. You are not my conscience.

My bet is someone in AVC thought pretty much the same as me and forwarded the "internal email" on to journalists.

I very much doubt that any of the nasty horrible media corporations have to look too hard to find anyone who REALLY hates this sort of mindless virtue signalling, which is what it is IMO.

I won't go anywhere near one of their pubs again, for more than one reason. And it's my choice. And the lovely thing about it being my choice is I only need to justify that choice to one person.

 

[Gough]

It was simple internal communications. You’re allowed to do that in business. It’s not virtue signalling. A simple directive that we’re not going to visibly mark Australia Day in venues because it’s not appreciated by some of our staff and customers. That’s it.

We’re not shutting pubs. We’re not stopping anybody coming in and doing and saying what they like.

It’s not a “hard left” move. There is no “hard left” movement of any size or consequence in Australia.

Nobody would even have noticed. Nobody would care. As long as people get their public holiday they don’t give a shit. Australia has never been a demonstrably patriotic nation. It’s imported and confected from the US to serve the purpose.

News Ltd got hold of it - having a network / radar for this stuff is the only effective research they do - and ran wild. Articles, videos, social media etc all labelling it a controversy.

It didn’t cause any controversy. They just relentlessly label it as such.

It’s all totally manufactured by News Ltd and their political partners. To the point where we have people claiming the company started it by putting out a press release that was “woke virtue signalling”.

Something that did. not. happen.

It’s never ending and it’s just all a scam. The purpose is to keep the narrative away from their true intentions, which is to slowly strip away your services, your quality of life and your economic standing so that further wealth can be accrued by billionaires. They’ve been doing it for decades.

The worst thing is somehow it works on many people.

Let's commemorate this sacred day of our nation's founding by going to the pub and getting shitfaced.

 

[Borisdog]

Let's commemorate this sacred day of our nation's founding by going to the pub and getting shitfaced.

Says the bloke who bragged about smoking a number with the Uncle of some-one famous.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Mate you missed my point by that far it's astonishing.

I'll give you a hint.

What I wrote wasn't about the article, more like the pile on that ALWAYS happens when anyone challenges the "Progressive" groupthink.

I don't like "woke" as a label, I think virtue-signalling sums it up much better as a label. It's mindless waffle that large corporations come out with in bucketsful, but don't actually "march the march". Alas, many are "brainwashed" by it. You're definitely correct in saying people get sucked in by it, from all sectors of beliefs. And all spectrums of politics.

And the spelling is ideology.

There's a lot of irony and hypocrisy in there.

Firstly, points being missed often occurs when you're being a smart arse and sarcastic. So that's on you if I missed your point.

Regarding the pile on - I talked about this earlier. When the 'right' jumps up and down defending their ideologies - in most cases they're directly attacking an individual with skin in the game. I think that's a point missed by the right, and why they get such fierce blowback when expressing what they see as simply an ideological belief

Gay marriage, the Voice, immigration, sexism, trans, etc. for many on the left, these aren't ideologies - they're actual real life situations that they're living that impact them directly as a person.

But yes, if course there are others that just hate the right and take the opportunity to pile on. No doubt that's a real thing.

Regarding corporations being 'woke' - I don't agree with your view. That's where you've been sucked in.

Corporations do what they need to to grow their business. If that means appealing to a wider audience, they'll do it.

If that means appealing to a smaller, more extreme audience - they'll do that.

The right wing parties and media con people into thinking that there's some sort of culture war happening. But I think it's bullshit.

The biggest give away to their game is that Australian right wing media now give US politics a big stage and con people into thinking this culture war thing is a worldwide fight. They use examples of the extreme shit happening over there, which if course is completely and utterly out of context with our country.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Certainly the corporates tick a box, social license is as hypocrisy of the finest order. In the case of AFL who want to be seen as being a progressive leader, yet won't go near addressing gambling advertising as it directly impacts their revenue

So they're not woke (still don't know what that means?) at all?

 

[Borisdog]

There's a lot of irony and hypocrisy in there.

Firstly, points being missed often occurs when you're being a smart arse and sarcastic. So that's on you if I missed your point.

Regarding the pile on - I talked about this earlier. When the 'right' jumps up and down defending their ideologies - in most cases they're directly attacking an individual with skin in the game. I think that's a point missed by the right, and why they get such fierce blowback when expressing what they see as simply an ideological belief

Gay marriage, the Voice, immigration, sexism, trans, etc. for many on the left, these aren't ideologies - they're actual real life situations that they're living that impact them directly as a person.

But yes, if course there are others that just hate the right and take the opportunity to pile on. No doubt that's a real thing.

Regarding corporations being 'woke' - I don't agree with your view. That's where you've been sucked in.

Corporations do what they need to to grow their business. If that means appealing to a wider audience, they'll do it.

If that means appealing to a smaller, more extreme audience - they'll do that.

The right wing parties and media con people into thinking that there's some sort of culture war happening. But I think it's bullshit.

The biggest give away to their game is that Australian right wing media now give US politics a big stage and con people into thinking this culture war thing is a worldwide fight. They use examples of the extreme shit happening over there, which if course is completely and utterly out of context with our country.

Attempting to appeal to a wider audience quite frequently alienates the audience you already had if done in a way that is counter to the values or beliefs of your already held audience.

I would suggest that appealing to a smaller more extreme audience is a good way to SHRINK your business.

My view isn't corporations being woke. My view is corporations' virtue-signalling is mostly cynical hypocritical garbage that they make little to no attempt to follow through on once the fanfare of the "look at us" has died down. Think "mining company encourages Yes vote, whilst conducting operations in SEVERAL countries engaged in open internal genocide". And attempting to encourage their employees to vote Yes. Actually more like trying to guilt them into voting Yes.

Again, I'm an adult and I'll make up my own opinions on all subjects. But I detest the pile on every time someone challenges the whole "our opinion is the best opinion" shit.

It makes me think that society actually has a bit of a chance when I see the hypocrisy challenged. I'm a little chuffed to think there are still a few critical thinkers around in print journalism, they're a dying breed.

Anyways, that's enough for me. I wish I'd stop getting myself dragged into this stuff. But I don't like being told by sections of society what my opinion should be.

 

[threesixpio]

the irony of this thread is that it’s bringing an ugly form of politics into my appreciation of footy.

Can’t this be a space where I can avoid the imminent destruction of democratic liberal institutions and the rise of fascism

Farkk me. Keep this shit out of the game ie right wing loonies. Piss off

 

[Bjo187]

12kilos and Dan you're probably realising about now that Bigfooty is leftie dominant lol. I realised this year's ago.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I'm late era Boomer. My circle of friends saw Gough end conscription; start medibank; land rights; free university etc etc etc.
Gough's a saint.

The Green are what Labor used to be.

Herald suns always been Liberal party backer. Despite Liberal party getting smashed last election.

I guess 33% of the electorate have their party in power at any given time. 10 years of Federal Liberal govt, 10 years of Liberal rule in NSW, 10 years of Labor rule in Qld,


I'm in NSW and Liberal party introduced Welcome to Country in schools.

That's interesting about Welcome to Country

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Can’t show empathy, compassion or inclusion to anyone… that’s woke.


Can carry on about how rude it is to wear a hat into an RSL though.

****ing boomers.

Not so much that it's the fact people shouldn't get offended when people make a joke or light hearted banter even if it is inappropriate or casually racist, learn to have a laugh. This is the anti woke argument. The Sam Newman and people of his ilk argument. Free speech shouldn't be free reign to say and do what you like which is where the anti woke snowflakes get confused.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

AFL likes money and making more money every year.

Capitalism breeds hypocricacy in chase of the dollar.

 

[Dan]

12kilos and Dan you're probably realising about now that Bigfooty is leftie dominant lol. I realised this year's ago.

Warner article is bang on.

As for BF…..I’ve been around these parts for 10+ years and it wasn’t always like a reddit forum but you’re right. Certainly a lot more self righteous fruit cakes around here.

 

[errant bounce]

You'd have to be a naive ****wit with zero life experience to believe most people in AFL House give two shits about inclusivity, advocate for minority's rights, or even put thought into gay people or the everyday life of an Indigenous person...

The idea some bloke who grew up in a nice suburb surrounded by other privileged people, who went to a school where everyone is pretty much the same, studied law and got a well paying job straight out of school, and has worked in business or finance for 15 years and now sports administration is really thinking about bettering the lives of some gay fella or a kid who goes hungry to school is laughable. these blokes are more Alan Jones than Mother Jones.

It's all about increasing potential audiences, they don't give two shits and frankly why should they?

 

[Dan26]

12kilos and Dan you're probably realising about now that Bigfooty is leftie dominant lol. I realised this year's ago.

Yep, I did a 2-party preferred poll on the politics forum a few years ago, and it came back as the Greens would win government if only bigfooty people voted. The extreme left party who only 10% of people vote for.

I've realized you just have to let go on here and let people be wrong. It's just a hivemind. These people are in a total bubble and totally out of touch with the way regular Australians think.

 

[lizard man]

What does he define as woke?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Attempting to appeal to a wider audience quite frequently alienates the audience you already had if done in a way that is counter to the values or beliefs of your already held audience.

I would suggest that appealing to a smaller more extreme audience is a good way to SHRINK your business.

My view isn't corporations being woke. My view is corporations' virtue-signalling is mostly cynical hypocritical garbage that they make little to no attempt to follow through on once the fanfare of the "look at us" has died down. Think "mining company encourages Yes vote, whilst conducting operations in SEVERAL countries engaged in open internal genocide". And attempting to encourage their employees to vote Yes. Actually more like trying to guilt them into voting Yes.

Again, I'm an adult and I'll make up my own opinions on all subjects. But I detest the pile on every time someone challenges the whole "our opinion is the best opinion" shit.

It makes me think that society actually has a bit of a chance when I see the hypocrisy challenged. I'm a little chuffed to think there are still a few critical thinkers around in print journalism, they're a dying breed.

Anyways, that's enough for me. I wish I'd stop getting myself dragged into this stuff. But I don't like being told by sections of society what my opinion should be.

What I find weird, is that for some reason, people think this is a new thing.

"My employer is virtue signalling..."

"My employer ramming their opinions down my throat...."

etc. etc.

Ever had a work Xmas party? Ever had your boss give you an Easter egg? Ever had to chip in 2 bucks to wear casual clothes for some cause? Ever had to sit through a HR sexual harrassment course?

This has been happening since time began (so to speak).

Now of course the reason this suddenly makes people so huffy and outraged - is because the media and our political parties are much better at playing people. People get angry, scared and upset about what the political parties and the media tell them to get angry, scared and upset about.


The irony is just so funny though. I'd love for both sides of these ridiculous talking points to see how dumb they look.

Minority groups for decades just had to STFU and accept the status quo. Now they're not longer doing that and have pushed back on some things.

And people are outraged by it, call it 'woke'. Pushing back against the status is very bad. Bad people do this.

But now we're suddenly applauding when someone pushes back and speaks up against the status quo!!! It's good. Brave people do that. Good people push back.


It's just so freaking funny reading this shit.


By the way, ask Joe Rogan and FoxNews if narrowing their customer base has been bad for their business.

 

[Bjo187]

Yep, I did a 2-party preferred poll on the politics forum a few years ago, and it came back as the Greens would win government if only bigfooty people voted. The extreme left party who only 10% of people vote for.

I've realized you just have to let go on here and let people be wrong. It's just a hivemind. These people are in a total bubble and totally out of touch with the way regular Australians think.

My goodness, that is scary.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Yep, I did a 2-party preferred poll on the politics forum a few years ago, and it came back as the Greens would win government if only bigfooty people voted. The extreme left party who only 10% of people vote for.

I've realized you just have to let go on here and let people be wrong. It's just a hivemind. These people are in a total bubble and totally out of touch with the way regular Australians think.

Hang on...because regular Australian's think a certain way (apparently), everyone should just go along with it?