Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[Dogs_R_Us]

I think you're a little bit delusional here. I was responding to a poster claiming that pubs were cancelled for expressing an opinion. There's also the Woolworth cancel last Australia day. Most media, dominated by Murdoch is full of right winger/conservatives complaining loudly. Most of the cancel culture and attempts to shut down opinions that don't fit with their group think comes from the right.

The objection was not for having an opinion. It was for issuing a directive based on that opinion, which offended those who didn’t hold that opinion. In other words, it caused division in the customer base. Very silly.

 

[Grin]

Not the date, the DAY. Celebrating the settlement of Australia on any day at all would be unacceptable to those who currently oppose it. So it would be pointless changing the date.

Not according to the Change the Date movement. Any evidence for your opinion?

 

[Grin]

The objection was not for having an opinion. It was for issuing a directive based on that opinion, which offended those who didn’t hold that opinion. In other words, it caused division in the customer base. Very silly.

That was my point.
The most easily offended, or rallied by the Murdoch media to offense, seem to be right wing/conservatives.

 

[bzparkes]

I think you're a little bit delusional here. I was responding to a poster claiming that pubs were cancelled for expressing an opinion. There's also the Woolworth cancel last Australia day. Most media, dominated by Murdoch is full of right winger/conservatives complaining loudly. Most of the cancel culture and attempts to shut down opinions that don't fit with their group think comes from the right.

I'm not delusional at all.

If you think cancel culture comes rom the right, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

Whether you agree or not, Musk's takeover of Twitter exposed the left's views to not be the majority at all, because people from the opposite side were allowed to speak their minds without being censored for once.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Gee, not trying to pick a side here but you've very aptly described the left in this statement.

In fact, 'cancelling' is the domain of the left, the 'right' generally advocate for free speech, whereas the 'left' are far more in favour of censorship.

Just look at the massive outcry over Twitter after Musk took it over and his supposed campaigning for free speech on that particular platform compared to before he bought it and current day sites like BlueSky and Reddit, for instance.

The amount of censorship on those left-leaning sites is significant.

I think the poster is making the point that conventional wisdom is that it’s the left who are big on cancel culture, but when you look beyond the headlines the right are doing plenty of it too.

All the more poignant given that so many of them claim they will defend to the death our right to free speech.

 

[bzparkes]

I think the poster is making the point that conventional wisdom is that it’s the left who are big on cancel culture, but when you look beyond the headlines the right are doing plenty of it too.

All the more poignant given that so many of them claim they will defend to the death our right to free speech.

Yeah I dunno, I've seen their posting history on other boards. I may be mistaken though.

 

[Gough]

The objection was not for having an opinion. It was for issuing a directive based on that opinion, which offended those who didn’t hold that opinion. In other words, it caused division in the customer base. Very silly.

I suspect it was more a case of not wanting to stock shitty imported products that nobody buys. Would you like to see Woolies forced to stock these products?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I'm not delusional at all.

If you think cancel culture comes rom the right, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

Whether you agree or not, Musk's takeover of Twitter exposed the left's views to not be the majority at all, because people from the opposite side were allowed to speak their minds without being censored for once.

LOL Musk just cancelled Laura Loomer on X.

 

[Grin]

Yeah I dunno, I've seen their posting history on other boards. I may be mistaken though.

You'd better block me then

 

[dmc333]

5 foot 3 and an attitude. The holidays can be a rough time for a social media officer who doesn't know where the dangers lurk.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I suspect it was more a case of not wanting to stock shitty imported products that nobody buys. Would you like to see Woolies forced to stock these products?

I was referring to the pub. But Woolies didn't have to make a major announcement, they could have just not sold the stuff, or made a token effort, without comment. Coles didn't stake a position and stocked a minimal amount of Australiana. And now Woolies find themselves having to stock things that may or may not sell. They brought it on themselves.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Not according to the Change the Date movement. Any evidence for your opinion?

Can you guarantee there would be no further objections if exactly the same celebrations, honours, etc, were held on, say, January 27th?

 

[Grin]

Can you guarantee there would be no further objections if exactly the same celebrations, honours, etc, were held on, say, January 27th?

WTF? Of course I can't. The evidence seems to be that the vast majority those who find the date 26 Jan offensive for obvious reasons would be happy with a change of date.
Any evidence for your opinion?
I'll accept "That's what the Murdoch instructed me to think"

 

[Gough]

WTF? Of course I can't. The evidence seems to be that the vast majority those who find the date 26 Jan offensive for obvious reasons would be happy with a change of date.
Any evidence for your opinion?
I'll accept "That's what the Murdoch instructed me to think"

It's a variation on the slippery slope argument that had a Chesterfield Sofa marrying Makybe Diva during the SSM debate. You can't have a date change because then what else are people going to come after.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

WTF? Of course I can't. The evidence seems to be that the vast majority those who find the date 26 Jan offensive for obvious reasons would be happy with a change of date.
Any evidence for your opinion?
I'll accept "That's what the Murdoch instructed me to think"

I don't care if there's a date change. I just think it wouldn't do any good. The "invasion" still took place, didn't it?

 

[Grin]

I don't care if there's a date change. I just think it wouldn't do any good. The "invasion" still took place, didn't it?

So, after all your whining, you don't have a problem with changing the date.
Nice to come to an agreement

 

[Kram]

You'd better block me then

You think you are intelligent.

But you are just woke

 

[Grin]

You think you are intelligent.

But you are just woke

Cut out your whinging.
People are allowed to have opinions that differ from what you've been fed by the Murdoch media.

 

[ElectricG]

Cut out your whinging.
People are allowed to have opinions that differ from what you've been fed by the Murdoch media.

I think you're just being silly by pretending that the 'change the date' crowd would support Australia Day if it had a different day but the same sentiment. I don't even think many activists would deny it.

 

[Grin]

I think you're just being silly by pretending that the 'change the date' crowd would support Australia Day if it had a different day but the same sentiment. I don't even think many activists would deny it.

Any evidence to support your opinion?

By the way, looks like cancel culture has forced Woolworths to import unprofitable cheap plastic Australiana paraphernalia.
A mighty victory for our perennially victimised, always whinging and complaining right wing brethren

 

[bzparkes]

LOL Musk just cancelled Laura Loomer on X.

For 12 hours, from what I saw.

Also, I'm curious as to what she said, haven't seen her post myself.

 

[bzparkes]

You'd better block me then

Nah, I'm not into cancel culture.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

So, after all your whining, you don't have a problem with changing the date.
Nice to come to an agreement

Everyone who doesn’t agree with you is a whiner or a Muuuurdoch puppet, right

I do actually have a problem with changing a date when something did happen on that date. Would you change your birthday to suit someone else?

But I wouldn’t lose sleep if and it’s a big IF it happened. But it won’t

 

[.Shotties.]

In fact, 'cancelling' is the domain of the left, the 'right' generally advocate for free speech, whereas the 'left' are far more in favour of censorship.

That's not a fact. I mean, look at what happened to people who opposed the Bush-devised action in the middle east.

For your mention of Musk, he's literally shadow banned words he doesn't like and bans accounts who criticise him.

 

[Grin]

Everyone who doesn’t agree with you is a whiner or a Muuuurdoch puppet, right

Nup. Only those whose every contradictory comment aligns with Murdoch propaganda. If you actually put any intellectual effort into scrutinising the bullshit your fed and uncritically swallow, the cognitive dissonance would be unbearable.

I do actually have a problem with changing a date

You said you didn't. But I suppose you have every right to change your opinion on a dime, especially if it gives you reason to complain and feel victimised, which seems to be a big thing for you.

something did happen on that date.

I agree. Terra Nullius, invasion, dispossession and ethnic cleansing begun on that date. It's apparently beyond your comprehension why celebrating our nation on that particular date might be objectionable to many and ultimately divisive. My personal opinion is that a more inclusive date would be preferable.

But I wouldn’t lose sleep if and it’s a big IF it happened. But it won’t

LOL. Given your history you'd whinge and complain and feel horribly victimised. You'd cancel the new date, which of course would be your right