Opinion Mick Malthouse MEGA THREAD

[40yearBLUE]

FWIW, there's a school of thought that suggests that a coach with Ratten's lack of experience before taking on the Carlton senior job will only take the current group so far. Remember at AFL level Ratts had only one year as an Assistant Coach at Melbourne. So I'm not sure whether he has the ability/ecperience to take this group further. I loved him as a player. Commentators used to call Smokin Joe Misiti a ball magnet, but every time he faced Ratts he was humbled. So many of us are caught between our loyalty to him as a club champion & him as our coach.
Many I've spoken with who don't follow Carlton don't rate Ratts & believe he's reactive. Ironically I could say the same for David Parkin until in 1995 he empowered his players & they virtually coached themselves to a flag (with Ratts as the years B&F).
I rarely use this forum for Carlton updates but am reading with interest the various views because I am honestly not sure what the board should do. I'd hate to be in their shoes right now.

It has nothing at all to do with loyalty to Ratts. Players come and go, so do coaches. Its the manner in which they do that denotes the professionalism of the organisation. The organisation is ongoing the names constantly change, but the way you conduct yourself as an organisation stamps who you are to the world. We stamp joke on ourselves at every opportunity since the 90's.

Which ever way you slice it, if Ratts is not going to be the coach next year then we made a mistake last year, if Ratts is to be coach next year, then we have handled the speculation about it abysmally, this could all have been killed as an issue in June when Sticks equivocated. Had he made a firm statement then none circus we are seeing would have occurred. If we werent sure about Ratts then why give him a 2 year unconditional contract. We should have given him a year with a second option and get out clause. We did not.

So anyway you slice this we have come out looking like we are clueless.

Which of course we are.

 

[gbatman]

We have been rebuilding since 2002. Brought in top players, improved our professionalism and facilities and now getting the off field part of things cherry ripe could be the final step. A new coach doesn't mean immediate results, it could take at least half a season for the message to get across but this can only end well. We get the right people coaching, with our list and who is coming through we could make a big impact over the next few years.

 

[40yearBLUE]

No he wouldnt of. Buckley was collingwood through and through, why on earth would pratt have gone after him??

Its not that eddie didnt want mick, its that he wanted no one else to have buckley. At the time it seemed win win as he didnt forsee a flag.

Sorry i forgot you know everything

Pratt said dont get best available, if he is the best why is he available.

Eddie didnt want Mick any more, he wanted Bucks. He made his choice. He chose who he thought was best. I have no doubt Dick would make the same choice. If the Flag highlighted how good MM was (after all its why we want him isnt it?) then Eddie would have reneged on Bucks and kept Mick. He did not.

 

[40yearBLUE]

We have been rebuilding since 2002. Brought in top players, improved our professionalism and facilities and now getting the off field part of things cherry ripe could be the final step. A new coach doesn't mean imediate results, it could take at least half a season for the message to get across but this can only end well. We get the right people coaching, with our list and who is coming through we could make a big impact over the next few years.

Source?

 

[Styxx]

Don't get me wrong, I do not hate Mick Malthouse in the slightest. However It has been incredibly disappointing how this has been managed by the board which to me can and will lead to very severe long term issues if not addressed properly.

Brett Ratten can never and should never be accused of taking the low road, he has tried incredibly hard to keep his focus on the game ahead of him and made that his focus. He's never taken swipes at anyone until the idiot journo asked the stupid question at the worst possible time. He's been incredibly poitive when everyone else was stuttering or not giving a response. This is why I'm gutted for him, he's never had clear support from the board and even a majority of the clubs supporters.

He took the reigns after we finished 16t, 15th and 15th, and took them to a whisker of a Preliminary Final, and unfortunately will never get the recognition he deserves because of the last two months.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

Pratt said dont get best available, if he is the best why is he available.

Eddie didnt want Mick any more, he wanted Bucks. He made his choice. He chose who he thought was best. I have no doubt Dick would make the same choice. If the Flag highlighted how good MM was (after all its why we want him isnt it?) then Eddie would have reneged on Bucks and kept Mick. He did not.

Actually, I think you're over-rating Eddie in all of this. He went and got Mick. Bucks was his love-child. He tried to find a way to keep them both. I think he erred, nathan will not be a GREAT coach.

 

[gbatman]

Source?

We were no good, just look at the salery cap bulshit and player development back then. What we were doing made us one of the worst teams to play the game. We had players playing up on the booze as well. We didn't have any where near the football staff then that we do now. The club has changed a lot.

 

[Jatz]

Pratt said dont get best available, if he is the best why is he available.

Eddie didnt want Mick any more, he wanted Bucks. He made his choice. He chose who he thought was best. I have no doubt Dick would make the same choice. If the Flag highlighted how good MM was (after all its why we want him isnt it?) then Eddie would have reneged on Bucks and kept Mick. He did not.

The set up that was in place was proof he wanted no one else to have bucks. Bucks played second fiddle because Eddie knew he wasnt ready but wanted him to learn under a quality coach while he matured as a coach. North were very keen at the time and eddie knew he had to put him under contract to protect him from going elsewhere. that deal was all eddie could do to try and keep the peace while keeping a favourite son.

The reason he didnt alter the plan was because buckley had served his apprenticeship and eddie actually stuck to his word. which we are all finding out doesnt always happen.

 

[blueblooded]

I'm interested to see who mick brigs with him..piss off Riley,barker etc and bring in a laidley type I'm hoping...

 

[Jeremias]

I'm interested to see who mick brigs with him..piss off Riley,barker etc and bring in a laidley type I'm hoping...

I can't see a 'senior' assistant sitting beside Mick Malthouse in the coaching box.

 

[Jatz]

I can't see a 'senior' assistant sitting beside Mick Malthouse in the coaching box.

Just spitballing here, (and i know this was denied by malthouse last night) but it got me thinking of a malthouse/williams partnership. Malthouse will coach 5 years max? Williams could be the procession plan. He is going to play assistant to sheedy anyway. Would it be appealing coming to carlton knowing that he is guaranteed the role in x amount of years? Better team than GWS and i thought (could be wrong) he was trying to get a role in melbourne once he left alberton.

Almost 100% wont happen but nice to think about

 

[Tish]

He is a loser by heart and a grumpy arseh*le. Do not want.

 

[Big Red is back]

Pratt said dont get best available, if he is the best why is he available.

Eddie didnt want Mick any more, he wanted Bucks. He made his choice. He chose who he thought was best. I have no doubt Dick would make the same choice. If the Flag highlighted how good MM was (after all its why we want him isnt it?) then Eddie would have reneged on Bucks and kept Mick. He did not.

Eddie sacked a gun for his love child and has seen his side which should be charging towards a flag now struggling for top four

Your argument supports mick as the pies have gone backwards since stupid Eddie pushed him out

What the pies did cost them the flag last year and this year

Thankgod

 

[Big Red is back]

He is a loser by heart and a grumpy arseh*le. Do not want.

Let's get behind mick guys

 

[Stamos]

Let's get behind mick guys

Very happy to be behind Mick. But if he doesn't win us a flag next year, it'll be to stick the knife in.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Just spitballing here, (and i know this was denied by malthouse last night) but it got me thinking of a malthouse/williams partnership. Malthouse will coach 5 years max? Williams could be the procession plan. He is going to play assistant to sheedy anyway. Would it be appealing coming to carlton knowing that he is guaranteed the role in x amount of years? Better team than GWS and i thought (could be wrong) he was trying to get a role in melbourne once he left alberton.

Almost 100% wont happen but nice to think about

How much cash do you think this club has to throw around? Pay out Ratten, get Mick on big dollars and then what? Get Williams which you would think would cost a fair bit as well. All while we're still in debt.

And what happens if it fails? The memberships will go down and there will be people calling for heads starting from the entire board.

It'll be 2003 all over again.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Let's get behind mick guys

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself now. I am taking a pool on the exact round you start sticking it to mick. I am guessing RD13 next year.

 

[Jeremias]

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself now. I am taking a pool on the exact round you start sticking it to mick. I am guessing RD13 next year.

Pffft get with the times, mate. I already posted on this very topic.

I said our 2nd loss for the season.......unless you think we're in for one hell of a season.

 

[Tish]

How can you blokes want a coach who is a complete snake. Obviously dealing behind the back of our current senior coach with the club.

He has been dealing with the blues since round 12. What a weak piece of trash you can't even make his intention clear. You know why? He doesn't really want the job just the cash we will throw at him, no passion for theblues what so ever. Don't be fooled, and if you are, go support richmond

 

[james Dean]

Sakc Malthouse!! I just wanted to be the first one to ever say it

 

[scomac]

Lets go for a Dinosaur makes perfect sense i am sure the playing group is going to play for this old tragic with the massive Ego.I would rather see a younger coach who understands what is required.Malthouse was a okay coach he certainly is not the messiah.

 

[Tish]

Wonder how many actual members are wanting Ratts sacked. If he goes, so should half the football department including stix and mckay. Lets just allow the low life pokies scum to run the club ey? Knobs

 

[Big Red is back]

How can you blokes want a coach who is a complete snake. Obviously dealing behind the back of our current senior coach with the club.

He has been dealing with the blues since round 12. What a weak piece of trash you can't even make his intention clear. You know why? He doesn't really want the job just the cash we will throw at him, no passion for theblues what so ever. Don't be fooled, and if you are, go support richmond

source ?

Hardly his fault if our board is approaching him

 

[Big Red is back]

Wonder how many actual members are wanting Ratts sacked. If he goes, so should half the football department including stix and mckay. Lets just allow the low life pokies scum to run the club ey? Knobs

you mean the guys who have financially set the club up?

 

[jj1978]

Malthouse my not be the messiah but his coaching personality is obviously what this current crop of players need... After the Pagan years the players were so out of sorts with pagan and the coaches that Ratten seemed to have to employ a friendly relationship with the players... Was needed at the time but this boundary butt slapping was still happening this year... Should've moved on from that last year and became less of a friend and more of an author active figure.

Malthouse will come in and at least from his perspective tell it like it is to some... To me Malthouse has been given the heads up about potentially coaching us for a few months now and in his media role I bet he's been watching us closely..also from his recent comments on that he would not coach a rebuilding club indicates he thinks we have good chances in the next few years...

Plus if we bring him in ASAP he an at least perhaps have a chat to the Russell's, thorntons etc if he feels they'd be valuable and convince them to stay or even save their careers.