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Stats arent everything, a defenders first job is to nullify the forward he is playing on. Jako does this a lot better than Pavlich.
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Stats arent everything, a defenders first job is to nullify the forward he is playing on. Jako does this a lot better than Pavlich.
Originally posted by jod23
Dont know what you Vics are seeing over there in the "Heart of Football"but Cousins easily deserves AA so far this year, he had a slow start to the year but in the last 4 or 5 games has been maybe 2 or 3 BOG's and i bet he will get Brownlow votes in all of the past few games.
From SA actually. So has Nick Stevens of Port Adelaide, but Bell surely gets in before those 2.
Stevens over the last 3 weeks has probably been the best midfielder in the comp.
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All this tossing at the half way mark is pointless!
And if we are going to use 'scalps' as a basis for making the team I may aswell start my Prestigicomo for AA drive here!
And if we are going to use 'scalps' as a basis for making the team I may aswell start my Prestigicomo for AA drive here!
Similarly, Collingwood's backline has been among the most effective as well. Yet the only Collingwood player selected in the backline is Burns. He is one of the keys to Collingwood but he has barely played in defense this year.
I think both Collingwood and PA have solid backs who team well together. They lack some of the flashyness of others and that causes them to be overlooked. They are also assisted by good midfields which make their jobs easier. To be honest I wouldn't put anyone from either backline in the AA side, but could mount a solid argument for a few who were worthy of consideration. Maybe one of them ahead of Archer?
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Thats a shocker of a team.
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I think the more relevant stat here to settle the Jakovhc/Pavlich debate would be looking at the long kicking vs. short kicking.
Jakovich like Cousins is renowned for a lot of easy possessions by running by players and each team needs players like that but you will see that Jakovich rarely kicks the ball more than 30m thus he will and should have less errant kicks while Pavlich tends to clear the ball longer than 50m when he does get it.
Stats, Damn Stats and Lies....
And Jod23, how can you say that Pav is not going to be better than Jakovich. It is early to tell and if does become as good I will have no problem but there is no doubt that Worsfold and McKenna made Jakovich look so much better....
Jakovich like Cousins is renowned for a lot of easy possessions by running by players and each team needs players like that but you will see that Jakovich rarely kicks the ball more than 30m thus he will and should have less errant kicks while Pavlich tends to clear the ball longer than 50m when he does get it.
Stats, Damn Stats and Lies....
And Jod23, how can you say that Pav is not going to be better than Jakovich. It is early to tell and if does become as good I will have no problem but there is no doubt that Worsfold and McKenna made Jakovich look so much better....
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Ben Hart should be an absolute certainty
Can play tall or short and only ever gets beaten by Matthew Lloyd
Can play tall or short and only ever gets beaten by Matthew Lloyd
*pfft*
Hall ahead of Kingsley, a disgrace.
Hall ahead of Kingsley, a disgrace.
Given the site that did it - would you have expected anything less than their usual standards
too much potential and reputation's instead of current form being the basis of selection.........
too much potential and reputation's instead of current form being the basis of selection.........
For the sake of Sabre, here is what the I think the All-Australian team would look like at this stage of the season:
B: Stephen Koops, Shane Parker, Antoni Grover
HB: Matthew Carr, Matthew Pavlich, James Walker
C: Shaun McManus, Paul Haselby, Ben Cunningham
HF: Jeff Farmer, Justin Longmuir, Troy Longmuir
F: Paul Medhurst, Trent Croad, Leigh Brown
R: Troy Simmonds, Troy Cook, Peter Bell
Int: Daniel Haines, Anthony Jones, Jason Norrish, Graham Polak
Apologies to Scott Thornton, Clive Waterhouse, Dion Woods, Brad Bootsma, Andrew Shipp, Brad Dodd, Robert Haddrill, Andrew Borwne, Simon Eastaugh, BRendan Fewster, Josh Head, Roger Hayden, Dale Kickett, Luke McPharlin, Adam McPhee, Daniel Metropolis, Aaron Sandilands, Luke Toia and Luke Webster.
B: Stephen Koops, Shane Parker, Antoni Grover
HB: Matthew Carr, Matthew Pavlich, James Walker
C: Shaun McManus, Paul Haselby, Ben Cunningham
HF: Jeff Farmer, Justin Longmuir, Troy Longmuir
F: Paul Medhurst, Trent Croad, Leigh Brown
R: Troy Simmonds, Troy Cook, Peter Bell
Int: Daniel Haines, Anthony Jones, Jason Norrish, Graham Polak
Apologies to Scott Thornton, Clive Waterhouse, Dion Woods, Brad Bootsma, Andrew Shipp, Brad Dodd, Robert Haddrill, Andrew Borwne, Simon Eastaugh, BRendan Fewster, Josh Head, Roger Hayden, Dale Kickett, Luke McPharlin, Adam McPhee, Daniel Metropolis, Aaron Sandilands, Luke Toia and Luke Webster.
Andrew Siegert very unlucky to miss.
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that has to be a joke!
obviously its selected on form and with lloyd out kingsley has been the form forward of the comp. he may not kick 8 goals a game or be a household name but his form has been consistant.
barry hall you have to be kidding he has been one of the major dissapointments so far this year.
lockett must feel cheated
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****, I had him on the wing, but he missed out in my constant shuffling to find the right mix. Might have to put him in instead of Waterhouse, although Clive's spectating has been first rate this year.
Don't discount Simon Eastaugh's spectating.
He was even a spectator in the one game he played.
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I posted this on the other thread on the same topic....
Really is a bit of a joke this list ... looks like players are getting in there on reputation of a few years then purely on this year... also appears he is trying to squeez in all the best midfielders he can even if they are playing out of position.
Archer- debateable.
Fletcher- on past reputations... has missed a number of games... D. Wakelin i think.
Pike- yeah maybe... having a good year thus far.
Reiwoldt- can't comment... haven't seen enoguh of him... but had better be good to get in added of other established players.
Pavlich - yeah why not.
Burns- having a good year but not better then others... J Johnson for my mind.
Simpson - again can't comment.
Cousins - yep
Crawford - out of position... I think maybe Akermanis here.
Ricciuto - nup... been better players like McCleod.
Tredrea - yep
Lappin - yep
B. Johnson- debateable... I would pick Milne.. the most dangerous small forward for my mind.
Hall- I would have him in Tarrents place instead... in the FP. and at FF I would have Kingsley... sure not a big name but hey he is the leading AFL goal kicker ... reward him with the FF possie.
Tarrent- nup... not consistant enough... would have Hall here instead.
Darcy- not here but have on the bench... Primus should be here instead... can't believe this Primus has been better then last year and doing alot around the ground too.
Nathan Buckley-McGuire - yep.
McCleod- not here but at HFF... I would have Crawford here instead of the wing.
Interchange
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Darcy- backup ruck
Bassett- backup tall defender
Lynch- backup forward
Voss/Black/K. Johnson- back up midfielder
Emergencies
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Well pretty much a balnket of players here.
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Really is a bit of a joke this list ... looks like players are getting in there on reputation of a few years then purely on this year... also appears he is trying to squeez in all the best midfielders he can even if they are playing out of position.
Archer- debateable.
Fletcher- on past reputations... has missed a number of games... D. Wakelin i think.
Pike- yeah maybe... having a good year thus far.
Reiwoldt- can't comment... haven't seen enoguh of him... but had better be good to get in added of other established players.
Pavlich - yeah why not.
Burns- having a good year but not better then others... J Johnson for my mind.
Simpson - again can't comment.
Cousins - yep
Crawford - out of position... I think maybe Akermanis here.
Ricciuto - nup... been better players like McCleod.
Tredrea - yep
Lappin - yep
B. Johnson- debateable... I would pick Milne.. the most dangerous small forward for my mind.
Hall- I would have him in Tarrents place instead... in the FP. and at FF I would have Kingsley... sure not a big name but hey he is the leading AFL goal kicker ... reward him with the FF possie.
Tarrent- nup... not consistant enough... would have Hall here instead.
Darcy- not here but have on the bench... Primus should be here instead... can't believe this Primus has been better then last year and doing alot around the ground too.
Nathan Buckley-McGuire - yep.
McCleod- not here but at HFF... I would have Crawford here instead of the wing.
Interchange
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Darcy- backup ruck
Bassett- backup tall defender
Lynch- backup forward
Voss/Black/K. Johnson- back up midfielder
Emergencies
=========
Well pretty much a balnket of players here.
cheers
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Time to stick the neck out and have a go:
F: Milne , Kingsley, Tarrant
HF: Rocca , Tredrea, B. Johnson,
C: Simpson, Crawford, J. Johnson
HB: Ruccioto, Pavlich, Reiwoldt
B: McKay, Fletcher, Archer.
F: Darcy, Hasleby, Voss.
INT: Primus (due to injury), J. Johnson, G. Jakovich, N. Buckley.
Emergencies: N. Lappin, S. Black, Cousins, K. Johnson.
I have not seen every game but based on what I have seen this year this would be the team that I think would go pretty close. Long time between now and the end of the year and I have picked the team based on balance and performance over every game not just the first half or second half. It is also picked more on position than just having every good player play in a pocket but never plays there. That is why Buckley and Black are only emergencies.
Possibly could swap Johnson for Simpson as well
F: Milne , Kingsley, Tarrant
HF: Rocca , Tredrea, B. Johnson,
C: Simpson, Crawford, J. Johnson
HB: Ruccioto, Pavlich, Reiwoldt
B: McKay, Fletcher, Archer.
F: Darcy, Hasleby, Voss.
INT: Primus (due to injury), J. Johnson, G. Jakovich, N. Buckley.
Emergencies: N. Lappin, S. Black, Cousins, K. Johnson.
I have not seen every game but based on what I have seen this year this would be the team that I think would go pretty close. Long time between now and the end of the year and I have picked the team based on balance and performance over every game not just the first half or second half. It is also picked more on position than just having every good player play in a pocket but never plays there. That is why Buckley and Black are only emergencies.
Possibly could swap Johnson for Simpson as well
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I am a Port Adelaide supporter but like to think that I don't simply follow them blindly and that I look at other teams and players fairly when they are not in the process of playing Port Adelaide... however I cannot for the life of me believe how PRIMUS is not an
automatic selection for the AA Ruck position.
The author states how Darcy is more than a tap ruckman and he does so much around the ground... yet Primus is well respected for his 2nd, 3rd and 4th efforts in the contests... also his work
around the ground has improved on last year... he is used as a link man in the middle and fends would be tacklers... and he is dropping down forward providing a target. PLEASE I can't wait 2 weeks until we see Primus and Darcy go head-to-head... Primus killed him last time at Colonial... lets see how Darcy does at Footy Park.
Now as the backup Ruckman on the bench we have our next competitor... Stephen King... now the author explains how King has RACED away from his nearest rivals on the Hit-Out stats... well so would most other ruckmen if you where the only guy playing the position... keep looking on the Hit-Out list and look for Geelong's 2nd leading Hit-Out earner... yes way down the list with a huge 27 hitouts is Peter Street... looking at Port's Hit-Out earners we have Lade on 85 and French on 76. This is because Primus has been resting either in the FP or on the bench more so this year... so he wont be buggered come finals time like he was last year, which King probably wont have to worry about. When Primus has been rucking he has clearly been dominating most games. Again Primus has killed King in their past 2 meetings
Round 7 at Footy Park and last year at Kadinia Park... lucky it is only a 22 round season this year othewise the week after round 22 they would have met again at Kadinia Park and King would have been handed another lesson.
Primus is easliy the best all round ruckman in the league... the only time this year he has played average, and by that I mean he didn't dominate was when he copped a knee injury against Carlton... apart from that he has clearly been the leagues best ruckman, but hey I am sure this sort of articles will spur him on more as the season goes on he Williams tells him "look they don't rate you over there in Melbourne... I think you have something to prove".... then look out.
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I am a Port Adelaide supporter but like to think that I don't simply follow them blindly and that I look at other teams and players fairly when they are not in the process of playing Port Adelaide... however I cannot for the life of me believe how PRIMUS is not an
automatic selection for the AA Ruck position.
The author states how Darcy is more than a tap ruckman and he does so much around the ground... yet Primus is well respected for his 2nd, 3rd and 4th efforts in the contests... also his work
around the ground has improved on last year... he is used as a link man in the middle and fends would be tacklers... and he is dropping down forward providing a target. PLEASE I can't wait 2 weeks until we see Primus and Darcy go head-to-head... Primus killed him last time at Colonial... lets see how Darcy does at Footy Park.
Now as the backup Ruckman on the bench we have our next competitor... Stephen King... now the author explains how King has RACED away from his nearest rivals on the Hit-Out stats... well so would most other ruckmen if you where the only guy playing the position... keep looking on the Hit-Out list and look for Geelong's 2nd leading Hit-Out earner... yes way down the list with a huge 27 hitouts is Peter Street... looking at Port's Hit-Out earners we have Lade on 85 and French on 76. This is because Primus has been resting either in the FP or on the bench more so this year... so he wont be buggered come finals time like he was last year, which King probably wont have to worry about. When Primus has been rucking he has clearly been dominating most games. Again Primus has killed King in their past 2 meetings
Round 7 at Footy Park and last year at Kadinia Park... lucky it is only a 22 round season this year othewise the week after round 22 they would have met again at Kadinia Park and King would have been handed another lesson.
Primus is easliy the best all round ruckman in the league... the only time this year he has played average, and by that I mean he didn't dominate was when he copped a knee injury against Carlton... apart from that he has clearly been the leagues best ruckman, but hey I am sure this sort of articles will spur him on more as the season goes on he Williams tells him "look they don't rate you over there in Melbourne... I think you have something to prove".... then look out.
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WTF is that meant to mean? Eagles have only won one more game than the Dockers.
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Yeah right Jod, if he's not as good as Jakovich now, he'll certainly be better than Jako in 3 or 4 years.
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I've just picked out some players here and done a ratio in terms of kicks and clangers. Obviously, the higher the figure, the more efficient you are. There are plenty of players with worse ratios that I didn't include.
Kicks to clangers ratio:
McKernan 73/42= 1.73
Ottens 75/32= 2.34
Darcy 114/41= 2.78
Black 135/37= 3.65
Wirrapunda 128/29 = 4.41
Crawford 179/39 = 4.59
Pavlich 152/33= 4.61
Buckley 204/44= 4.64
What do you have to say to that Mead??
Yet the stats show and his opponents have stated that Darcy is far and away the best at this of the leagues ruckmen.Leading hardball getter by an absolute friggen mile and same goes for the clearances.Primus should be in there but on this seasons form god himself could not displace Darcy.
