Midfield structure - your theories

[Hurleys Hawkers]

I know this isn't the right thread but couldn't find anywhere else to put it.

Does anyone know where I can find out all the stats from the NAB Practise matches. All I can find are the challenge matches. Cheers.

 

[LemmingMaster]

There should be an email being sent out today from fantasy freako, this should show all the DT scores.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

As for my attitude, maybe I could have explained my reasons for thinking that Masten has the same injury concerns over his head, as Reilly.

Indeed, and we'll leave it at that.

My reasoning for Masten playing 22 games and Reilly being injury-prone:

I don't know how aware you are of Masten's junior career, but given you're from WA you might have heard of him as much as two years before he was drafted. He never had any injury troubles until the OP when he was drafted.

Even with the OP, he managed to score an average of 69. Some higher profile players haven't managed to do that, and from watching him he didn't look to have lost any pace. We cut his season early on purpose - so he'd be ready to tear it up this year. He doesn't have any other injury history.

Reilly has caused grief to coaches for years. He's rarely on the park and is a huge liability to reinjure himself. Back to the original point though;

Ablett and Masten v Reilly and Tuck.

Ablett and Masten are both best 22 and will play 22 games if fit.
Reilly has a strong injury history, but is best 22. Tuck will be best 22 for the first few rounds, but will then be in exactly the same position as last season.
As a combination I think it's clear cut.

And to the other guy who said Masten won't be a keeper: where did you finish up the last two years? Last year Nathan Jones was a lock according to the wizards of BigFooty. Unless backed up by some really solid reasoning (especially quantitative) I'm only listening to myself and the very best.

 

[Saint KFC]

I don't know how aware you are of Masten's junior career, but given you're from WA you might have heard of him as much as two years before he was drafted. He never had any injury troubles until the OP when he was drafted.

Even with the OP, he managed to score an average of 69. Some higher profile players haven't managed to do that, and from watching him he didn't look to have lost any pace. We cut his season early on purpose - so he'd be ready to tear it up this year. He doesn't have any other injury history.

His history is only relevant to the people calling him injury prone. For the other notion (that he won't play 22 games due to the OP he encountered last season) his history as a junior is irrelevant.

 

[brent-83]

And i prefer to take players who rarely have injuries

Congratulations. Given the choice of someone who isn't injury prone and someone who is then you will take the person who isn't. But if you are picking between two players who have had previous injuries I'd go the impact injury every time.

 

[Mr.Jingles]

I find it interesting that Reilly is even on the radar. Not only injury prone, but also inconsistent. (Vince looks to have taken his role as well)
Masten is showing no ill effects of the OP that hindered him last year and had a good first up game against the woods.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If it's a one-off maybe, but Reilly keeps hurting himself. I don't know if it's just a horrific run of bad luck, or if it's the style in which he plays. He's still on my list (funnily enough vying for Masten's spot) but I'm not feeling it just yet.

 

[Lakey91]

Oh well, this thread lasted 3 and a bit pages of solid discussion. Good effort for this time of year.

 

[the egg]

I have to agree with tarquin. Our discussion is focussed on gaining an understanding of the deeper aspects of DT - how the magic number changes, what effect this has on prices, how big this effect is, whether the money saved by a fallen bartel outweighs the points lost, etc etc etc. This sort of information is important IMO.

The egg, you are right. Some DTers are good due to their ability to analyse numbers and trends (like convicts), others (like yourself), watch alot of football and thus know the game -you pick up on a change of role to the MF by watching the game, convicts may pick up on it by reading a news article - two different methods, both credible IMO. But dont just dismiss one method because yours works for you. You said it yourself, everyone needs there own strategy and method. By discussing various parts of DT we are helping ourselves develop our own thoughts and strategy that can be used.

You have your method, now let us develop ours.

Oh and cerpin taxt - masten wont be a keeper unless he has a very very good year.

Fair call i guess. But in the end it's only a game

Goodluck.

 

[tcwaters]

I haven't got the worlds greatest midfield.

I'm not too keen on spending near 500 grand on a player who's price should come down a fair bit. I have K. Cornes as the only real premium mid.

I've got Kerr there, who when not suspended is good. Haselby, Higgins & Coughlan (hope he plays) there, just to try make some money so i can offload them. Zieball is the 6th mid. Had rich up until NAB cup. Might be a mistake come round 1, but who knows.

Normally i go for a balanced mid as they seem to be the most consistant scorers. But this year I've got for something different. Just for shits n giggles

Apart from Kornes, I havent really spent too much in the mid. So my Forward & Back lines are pretty good. Could be a disaster.

Hope not

 

[Mr.Jingles]

Dream team is won and lost in the mids.
Just putting it out there

 

[DonMania#5]

I have also gone for a different midfield set up. At the end of the season last year my midfield was good but not great.
This year i am starting off with two good captaincy options, one 350k+, two midpriced players and a rookie.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I just received the Freako e-letter.

Nothing much came out of the weekend that we didn't already know. Petrenko's 91 noteworthy.

 

[Ausyid]

Dream team is won and lost in the mids.
Just putting it out there

Thanks for putting it out there. Any reasoning behind the statement?

 

[Mr.Jingles]

Thanks for putting it out there. Any reasoning behind the statement?

Many reasons bud!!

1. They are notably the highest scoring players in the game.
Will undoubtebly be the number 1 scoring Dteamer come seasons end.

2. So many different combinations.
I.e 1 dteamer picks corey - the other picks bartell....corey scores 100 more points than bartell, makes a big difference. There are a ridiculous amount of combo's

3. Clearly most captain choices come from midfield. Most consistent scoring players.

A midfield of:

Gablett, Boyd, Knights, Hasleby masten tuck

Vs

Bartell, Murphy, Simpson, Foley, Masten browne

Might just produce big differences.'

Many backlines and forwards will be similar...midfielders will differ quite alot.
from experience anyway

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Rivetting stuff here. Absolutely marvellous

 

[LemmingMaster]

Many backlines and forwards will be similar...midfielders will differ quite alot.
from experience anyway

I actually see it completely opposite, I think most of the top teams will have almost the same group of players.

ABC, Swan, Thompson, Kornes + one or two other players.

The backs and forwards on the other hand, your guess is as good as mine as to which players will be the highest scoring, come the end of the season.

 

[Ausyid]

Many reasons bud!!

1. They are notably the highest scoring players in the game.
Will undoubtebly be the number 1 scoring Dteamer come seasons end.

2. So many different combinations.
I.e 1 dteamer picks corey - the other picks bartell....corey scores 100 more points than bartell, makes a big difference. There are a ridiculous amount of combo's

3. Clearly most captain choices come from midfield. Most consistent scoring players.

A midfield of:

Gablett, Boyd, Knights, Hasleby masten tuck

Vs

Bartell, Murphy, Simpson, Foley, Masten browne

Might just produce big differences.'

Many backlines and forwards will be similar...midfielders will differ quite alot.
from experience anyway

Everything you have said is true, but other than perhaps the point about there being more captain options in the mids, none of your points back up the statement that DT is won and lost in the midfield.

1. Yes they are the highest scoring, but if you haven't noticed everyone also has to pick 16 other players in their 22 that aren't mids. Your Bartel may score 110 where my Corey scores 100, but just as equally my Richardson could score 90 when your Didak scores 70. Just because the midfielders score more doesn't mean they are any more important to the team's overall score in comparison to another position.

2.Pretty much made this point above. There are differences in scoring by players in all positions. This was perhaps the silliest of the points you made.

3. I agree here. Because there are more captaincy options in the midfield, it means that the 'premium' players you pick or trade in have a greater influence on your total score if you were to choose them as captain. However selecting the right captain option each week has little to do with what position they play in. Most weeks one of your premiums will succeed regardless of their position. It is your job to choose the right premium the right week. However as you alluded to there are more "lock and leave" captain options in the mids so I guess you could use this to help prove your point.

Overall however, I very much disagree with you. DT is not won and lost in the mids. Not by a long shot. Just putting it out there

 

[Saint KFC]

Dream team is won and lost in the mids.
Just putting it out there

I think that this post pretty much disproves your argument.

Look at final mids of dageus (came fourth, not sure who coach was):

Bartel (-1.2)
Corey (+5.2)
Thompson (-0.1)
Murphy (+22.2)
Cross (+3.6)
Stevens (+11.9 on 2007 average, but had a discount meaning he had even more value)

However, I must compare to baxters final midfield (sorry for posting this! Hope you dont mind? Got it off VS ages ago):

Bartel
Ablett
Corey
Swan
Kane
Cross

Team that finished fourth had:
Bartel, Corey, Thompson, Murphy, Cross, Stevens

Team that finished second had:
Ablett, Corey, Bartel, Swan, Kane, Cross


Two positions difference. Reasonably large disparity in the quality of the midfields.

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

This year i am starting off with two good captaincy options, one 350k+, two midpriced players and a rookie.

Same here.

 

[Lakey91]

Exactly. Think about it as a player comparison:

ablett, swan, kane v thompson, murphy, stevens.

Massive difference! Yet they oth finished so highly and close together.

 

[Saint KFC]

Exactly. Think about it as a player comparison:

ablett, swan, kane v thompson, murphy, stevens.

Massive difference! Yet they oth finished so highly and close together.

Yep. Definitely shows that there is many extra factors contributing to one's overall score other than midfield quality.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I think that this post pretty much disproves your argument.



Team that finished fourth had:
Bartel, Corey, Thompson, Murphy, Cross, Stevens

Team that finished second had:
Ablett, Corey, Bartel, Swan, Kane, Cross


Two positions difference. Reasonably large disparity in the quality of the midfields.

That doesn't mean much in isolation. We know the Baxters side was better overall, but you could present that and have marginally different forwards and backs that tip the scales back.

 

[Saint KFC]

That doesn't mean much in isolation. We know the Baxters side was better overall, but you could present that and have marginally different forwards and backs that tip the scales back.

Not the point.

The claim was that the midfield determines one's success, that the game is "won and lost" there.

I proposed two midfields, two ranks apart with a sizable disparity in quality. That pretty much, in my opinion, dispells the notion that the midfield is the be-all and end-all of one's success, because if it truly was, Dageus would not have finished near Baxters, and definitely not a measly two ranks apart.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I also think DT is won in the mids. Not literally because you could have A/B/C/S/KC/ST and have shit every well else. But i think you get the gist. The players that are mid priced in the midfield have abetter chance of becomign a keeper than any other position due to their position being played where plenty of pill, tackles and marks are made.

I am going with a similar structure to that of KID A. Its a great opening post the only post i have read so far and will continue to read more. I ATM have a captaincy option from the top 3 but am considering downgrading to a Kornes, Swan who also give me a captaincy option and less negative vale. Im starting a rookie, a cheapie than a value midpricer along with 2 defintite keepers (1 a captaincy option) and than a 3rd player who is an intended keeper with potential to become a keeper.

This brings me to my question (may have already been discussed). A/B/C (as a captain option) vs Kornes or Swan (players i am considering, aswell are captain options). I would like to know who presents the most negative value In your opinion. Remembering that A/B/C are maybe 10 points ahead of the others and this becomes 20 with the captaincy. Not my intention to make in a player comparison but just something i would like to add.