Mitch McGovern (please read OP)

[Kane McGoodwin]

Why would their drafting strategy change?

I don’t think they take Welsh or Lukosius based on the go home factor.

If GC got pick #1, they would be odds on to take either Walsh or Luko... otherwise why would they bother trading picks #2 & #3... when they would take the same player at #2? It makes absolutely no sense. No chance GC do this.

 

[Golumless]

Too be honest it’s the only one that came to mind without really thinking...my recollection of drafts isn’t great. I find the whole thing a bit of a lottery more than a science...if you know what I mean..

It's more science then lottery when you're good at it.

The problem is though getting your club to a point where you can then maximise the draft, through having the quality to protect them, ability to control/earn their AFL time, having more sources which can teach them good habits. As well as getting scout/draft/list managers who know what they are doing.

The problem with lowly clubs is those draftees become an object of hope more so then a player and inevitably get ruined unless they were the classic "going to succeed regardless" type through just a combination of god given tools (ala Cripps).

 

[Elite Crow]

Herald Sun saying another vic team interested, any one know who?

 

[Golumless]

Herald Sun saying another vic team interested, any one know who?

Hopefully it's Saints.

I would like to state - when I say hopefully, I mean more blind hope against any reason.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

And carlton fans love to pull out the “he’s only averaging 1.4 goals a game... ignoring that most of the games he played this year he spent more time in defense..

Wonder if they understand that when a player spends a heap of time in defense they kick less goals and their average drops..
****in dumb flogs.

To be fair, most of their forwards spend a lot of time in defence too.

 

[baldandbroke]

What if we trade picks 7, 11, 12, 19 + CEY to Gold Coast for pick 2 (Lukosius) and 3 (Rankine).

(Pick 11 from Carlton compo, Pick 12 from Melbourne)

That's a fair deal according to this :

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#7,11,12,19|2,3


(EDIT - sorry for the double up post in here and the draft thread, thought I deleted this one! Oh well it's sort of relevant, and had been quoted now !)

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Now, we can talk!

Maybe, but that's the sort of thing we employ SOS to evaluate, not me. If you and yours set pick 1 as the price for McGovern, and we cannot obtain Walsh another way but we can obtain Setterfield and we get a PP at the end of the first round, do we really need pick 19?

We can do this forever.

The only reason I commented initially was that the poster in question made out like we desperately wanted McGovern, when if you come to our board you'd be left with a bit of an 'eh' feeling from us. He's good, he'd be an immediate improvement to our 22, but he's the cream to the cake when we need a bit of meat and potatoes.

The poster was talking about carton the club, not carlton the board. Why would we care if a few bigfooty fans don't want him? It seems clear that the sos and bolton are keen.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Unless GC are set on drafting Lukosius (and assuming GC get pick #3 as Lynch compo and no pick #2/#4 PPs), maybe they can work on a daisy chain trade with GC that allows Blues to get Walsh, Gov and satisfy Crows with something like:

Gov to CFC ...
AFC pick #8 to GC ... AFC 2019 r1 pick to GC ...
CFC 2019 r1 pick to GC ...
GC pick #2 to AFC

Would actually prefer something like:

Gov to CFC ...
AFC pick #8 to GC ... AFC 2019 r1 pick to GC ...
CFC 2019 r1 pick to GC ... CFC pick #1 to AFC ...
GC pick #2 to CFC

since if AFC want Lukosius and CFC want Walsh, it shouldn't matter whether it's pick #1 or #2 but Crows paying so much should get a guarantee of Lukosius.

giving up 2 firsts and McGovern is a bad trade.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What if we trade picks 7, 11, 12, 19 + CEY to Gold Coast for pick 2 (Lukosius) and 3 (Rankine).

(Pick 11 from Carlton compo, Pick 12 from Melbourne)

That's a fair deal according to this :

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#7,11,12,19|2,3


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GC may be convinced to give up one of their top picks, but very much doubt they will give up both!

They already have a stack of picks inside 30, so they are better off with quality over quantity

 

[spenze]

To be fair, most of their forwards spend a lot of time in defence too.

Most of their defenders spend a lot of time climbing over the fence to get the ball back for the umps

 

[Gethelred]

The poster was talking about carton the club, not carlton the board. Why would we care if a few bigfooty fans don't want him? It seems clear that the sos and bolton are keen.

Because we have greater knowledge of both SOS and Bolton and a greater knowledge of our list than you do. SOS has demonstrated interest, certainly, but no more so than he did Tom Mitchell, Rockliff, Saad or Smith, and the second he was priced out of those players he immediately moved on to other potential options.

And the poster made no distinction between Carlton or its fans.

 

[kulak]

Are you working for us or against us...

I have a feeling SOS will have stopped reading at about page 200 so we should be okay.

Hopefully Carlton are dumb enough to give us a chance.

 

[Elite Crow]

Because we have greater knowledge of both SOS and Bolton and a greater knowledge of our list than you do. SOS has demonstrated interest, certainly, but no more so than he did Tom Mitchell, Rockliff, Saad or Smith, and the second he was priced out of those players he immediately moved on to other potential options.

And the poster made no distinction between Carlton or its fans.

Who is to say you were priced out and not just rejected?

 

[dylan123]

Mitch is so far ahead of his brother at the same time it’s not funny.

That's so far from the truth though.

Mitch is 2 years younger than Jeremy, 2 years ago Jeremy had his first year being selected in the All Australian team after being selected in the 40 man squad the year before.

Mitch on the other hand has a PB of 12th place finish on VPG in 2017, the other two seasons don't even have him in the top 20. We all know he hasn't had a fair run at this because of injuries and 2017 was a sign of things to come but we're still living off potential at this stage. I hope he he gets a chance to prove more than potential at the Crows though as he has some rare traits we lack in our side.

There's no way you can honestly say he's ahead of Jeremy at the same age, Jeremy has clear runs on the board. Just some overrating of him at the moment prior to trade before people suddenly sink the boot in just like what happened with Lever (although we did very well on the trade table there).

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Who is to say you were priced out and not just rejected?

Hard to fit all their stars under the cap. No spare dollars lying around

 

[Gethelred]

Who is to say you were priced out and not just rejected?

... not sure how that affects what I was saying in any way.

 

[spenze]

Reckon there were people in line, koolaid in hand that were more critical of the Rev Jim Jones than Carlton supporters are of SoS and Bolts

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

It's effectively Crows paying two mid r1 pick (#8 & Gov) and a late r1 pick (hopefully) for Lukosius.

We have to pay the value ... plus some carrot to make a club wanna do it.

That's not even close value though, I understand about giving overs to get GC interested, but even if we win the flag next year, you're giving almost the double value, and you're valuating Gov at about pick 36.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I mentioned last week that I heard that your the Saints were very much in the picture

**** how funny would it be with all these Carlton folk on here posting and Gov actually chooses the Saints

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Carlton... Saints... did those concussions affect McGovern more than we thought?

 

[dylan123]

Carlton... Saints... did those concussions affect McGovern more than we thought?

Fills you with confidence for how we're going around the club at the moment doesn't it?

 

[Elite Crow]

... not sure how that affects what I was saying in any way.

Serious? You said SOS walked away as the price was too high, indicating he would do the same with Gov. If it turns out you were shunned it makes your Gov point moot.

 

[Golumless]

Carlton... Saints... did those concussions affect McGovern more than we thought?

If you want money, and lots of it, they're two of the best choices.

Saints might even be better then Carlton as you could be safe for close to a decade even if you coasted from herein.

 

[Golumless]

Fills you with confidence for how we're going around the club at the moment doesn't it?

I'd say it does the opposite actually then what you're insinuating. The only reason you go to those clubs is if they're coming at you with a dump-truck full of money. Equally, we're going to get more for it, and they're likely not going to help a team that's going to be threatening when we are. I welcome it. You want anyone that is leaving to go to the lowest possible club in the league.

It's when they get poached by clubs in a window/are continuously at the deep end of September, then you're justified to have a low amount of confidence in what you're doing (if you care for these things, personally i'm all about if we can improve from seeing x player leave) as success is one of the things they've factored into a decision.

 

[Gethelred]

Serious? You said SOS walked away as the price was too high, indicating he would do the same with Gov. If it turns out you were shunned it makes your Gov point moot.

Don't see how.

If they - Smith, Saad, Mitchell etc - rejected our offer for whatever reason, SOS didn't try to alter the offer to enter back into contention again, he moved onto other options. Could do exactly the same for McGovern, unless you want to create a narrative in which McGovern has been approached constantly all season by us alone, instead of fielding offers from half a dozen clubs as has been reported.