Mitch McGovern (please read OP)

[ams4crows]

Have been hearing Carlton are getting pick 2 as a PP for playing in China for the next 3 years...

That would be serious lols and too good to be true.

 

[SaltPeter]

Don't see how.

If they - Smith, Saad, Mitchell etc - rejected our offer for whatever reason, SOS didn't try to alter the offer to enter back into contention again, he moved onto other options. Could do exactly the same for McGovern, unless you want to create a narrative in which McGovern has been approached constantly all season by us alone, instead of fielding offers from half a dozen clubs as has been reported.

I suspect Carlton's MO would be to encourage players not to nominate Carlton publicly. A face saving strategy in the face of rejection.

 

[Bearded Clam]

What if we trade picks 7, 11, 12, 19 + CEY to Gold Coast for pick 2 (Lukosius) and 3 (Rankine).

(Pick 11 from Carlton compo, Pick 12 from Melbourne)

That's a fair deal according to this :

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#7,11,12,19|2,3


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Yeah.. **** it... I’m all in.

But I want more than pick 11 from Carlton (the AFL) for gov... 11 and our second this year comes back to us too..

And suns can have Mackay as well.... please.

 

[headache1]

Serious? You said SOS walked away as the price was too high, indicating he would do the same with Gov. If it turns out you were shunned it makes your Gov point moot.

SOS doesn't get rejected, SOS does the rejecting.

 

[mattymac]

Have been hearing Carlton are getting pick 2 as a PP for playing in China for the next 3 years...

There will be no mending relations with China after that.

 

[Elite Crow]

Don't see how.

If they - Smith, Saad, Mitchell etc - rejected our offer for whatever reason, SOS didn't try to alter the offer to enter back into contention again, he moved onto other options. Could do exactly the same for McGovern, unless you want to create a narrative in which McGovern has been approached constantly all season by us alone, instead of fielding offers from half a dozen clubs as has been reported.

Look I’m trying to be polite, consider it a Fathers Day gesture, but you have no idea if SOS walked away. The odds are given how poor you’ve been the players chose better options. Therefore you have no idea if he would with Gov. But you’ve obviously thrown Gov a huge offer otherwise he wouldn’t choose the club he just helped flog by 100 points. Therefore SOS won’t walk away.

 

[dplggr47]

Yeah.. **** it... I’m all in.
But I want more than pick 11 from Carlton (the AFL) for gov... 11 and our second this year comes back to us too..
And suns can have Mackay as well.... please.

I'll keep Mackay for depth, but they can have Burton.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

SOS doesn't get rejected, SOS does the rejecting.

The fish that GWS reject...

 

[GreyCrow]

SOS doesn't get rejected, SOS does the rejecting.

john west does

 

[jackster83]

Carlton... Saints... did those concussions affect McGovern more than we thought?

Maybe he likes going on holiday in September?

 

[Cleric]

Herald Sun saying another vic team interested, any one know who?

I heard Hawthorn recently, but heard Bulldogs awhile ago.

 

[GrommoT]

That's not even close value though, I understand about giving overs to get GC interested, but even if we win the flag next year, you're giving almost the double value, and you're valuating Gov at about pick 36.

By the standard draft pick points scale, #1=3000, #8=1550 and #17=1025 so it's costing us about pick #17 as the carrot - by all means, would hope our negotiators can get a lower price.

In any case, the scale is based on long term averaged player earnings related to draft pick position. This year the first 6 or so candidates are commonly rated at a level higher that the rest so could argue pick #1 is actually worth more than usual.

 

[mrjones]

So you’re basing it on hindsight for Gibbs and pure speculation for Gov without knowing f-all about his stance apart from what some Carlton supporting Victorian gossip columnist flog is pushing.
History says that players that wanted to move but stayed continued to play in a professional manner.

No

 

[JimmyTheScoop]

I mentioned last week that I heard that your the Saints were very much in the picture

**** how funny would it be with all these Carlton folk on here posting and Gov actually chooses the Saints

I thought Hawks in the frame too. Hadn’t heard Saints.... excellent


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[mrjones]

So you honestly believe he will have a terrible year and play like crap next year if he doesn’t get a trade?... honestly, hand on heart, tell us right now. Because that’s the absolute horseshit you’re trying to sell us all here right?..

You're still making stuff up. I have never said he would have a terrible year if he stayed in Adelaide, but if there is any truth in his wanting to leave?

Maybe, his worth to Adelaide in a trade won't be much higher than now.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

By the standard draft pick points scale, #1=3000, #8=1550 and #17=1025 so it's costing us about pick #17 as the carrot - by all means, would hope our negotiators can get a lower price.

In any case, the scale is based on long term averaged player earnings related to draft pick position. This year the first 6 or so candidates are commonly rated at a level higher that the rest so could argue pick #1 is actually worth more than usual.

That's near best case scenario though. Also GC have pick 2 not 1, so for them they are getting pick 8 = 1551, 2019 pick 1-3 = 2517, and 2019 pick 18 = 985 all for pick 2. I'm not saying the points should trusted all that much but it helps illustrate my point. GC would be crazy not to accept that.

It should be carlton's job to get GC interested if they want pick 2, not our's.

 

[mrjones]

He’s probably better than than Curnow. He’s Raw. Mitch can trick an opponent. Curnow just uses bullish ability.

At least that bits right. Mitch is Raw but you compare him to a player 2 years younger hat has had a better year than him. Please don't just say stuff. I'm being lazy but take a guess who's who on the following.

Season Highlights

18 disps (16 kicks 2 hballs), 10 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 19 35-pt win over Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium (28 Jul 2018)

17 disps (13 kicks 4 hballs), 9 marks and 4 goals in Rd 15 21-pt loss to Port Adelaide at the MCG (30 Jun 2018)

19 disps (16 kicks 3 hballs), 10 marks and 3 goals in Rd 14 20-pt loss to Collingwood at the MCG (24 Jun 2018)

19 disps (13 kicks 6 hballs), 11 marks and a goal in Rd 6 21-pt loss to the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium (27 Apr 2018)

20 disps (15 kicks 5 hballs), 9 marks and 2 goals in Rd 3 24-pt loss to Collingwood at the MCG (6 Apr 2018)

19 disps (14 kicks 5 hballs), 10 marks and 5 goals in Rd 1 26-pt loss to Richmond at the MCG (22 Mar 2018)

Season Highlights

16 disps (13 kicks 3 hballs), 9 marks and 5 goals in Rd 7 55-pt win over Carlton at Adelaide Oval (5 May 2018)

20 disps (13 kicks 7 hballs) and 11 marks in Rd 5 10-pt win over Sydney at the SCG (20 Apr 2018)

15 disps (15 kicks), 8 marks and 2 goals in Rd 3 49-pt win over St Kilda at Etihad Stadium (7 Apr 2018)

 

[Sanders]

That's so far from the truth though.

Mitch is 2 years younger than Jeremy, 2 years ago Jeremy had his first year being selected in the All Australian team after being selected in the 40 man squad the year before.

Mitch on the other hand has a PB of 12th place finish on VPG in 2017, the other two seasons don't even have him in the top 20. We all know he hasn't had a fair run at this because of injuries and 2017 was a sign of things to come but we're still living off potential at this stage. I hope he he gets a chance to prove more than potential at the Crows though as he has some rare traits we lack in our side.

There's no way you can honestly say he's ahead of Jeremy at the same age, Jeremy has clear runs on the board. Just some overrating of him at the moment prior to trade before people suddenly sink the boot in just like what happened with Lever (although we did very well on the trade table there).

No. You’ve got your sums wrong

Jeremy’s equivalent season to now at age 23 was 2015 - his second year in the league

When Mitch was playing his first season in 2017, 23 games and best 22 for a finals team; at the equivalent time Jeremy wasn’t even in the league

At every equivalent point until now Mitch has been ahead.

 

[GrommoT]

That's near best case scenario though. Also GC have pick 2 not 1, so for them they are getting pick 8 = 1551, 2019 pick 1-3 = 2517, and 2019 pick 18 = 985 all for pick 2. I'm not saying the points should trusted all that much but it helps illustrate my point. GC would be crazy not to accept that.

It should be carlton's job to get GC interested if they want pick 2, not our's.

I was more looking at us getting pick #1 in order to get Luko and what we pay - if GC finds that deal irresistible, all the better if it allows us to succeed. Whether it is pick #1 or #2 we get for drafting Luko, what does it matter if we achieve that?

I think this is a case where Carlton on their own cannot get the deal done because they're not willing to give up getting Walsh (and we fail to secure Luko) and we can't get the deal done on our own because Gov wants to go to Carlton (assuming this is so) and we can't (or don't want to) spend the draft stock to convince GC to give us pick #2.

But, if we cooperate, we can make it happen - it's in our interest if we want Luko.

 

[Sanders]

I'd trust the colonel to know a bit about fake potato...

You make shepherds pie with fake potato?

 

[Sanders]

I'm curious, though. You keep replying to me, and you seem to be rather interested in nitpicking rather than actually addressing anything of substance.

It’s true, I’ve not considered your trivial offerings worthy of substantive engagement. The odd thing is you seem to think you have

 

[Sanders]

Herald Sun saying another vic team interested, any one know who?

All of them I’d imagine

 

[Sanders]

What if we trade picks 7, 11, 12, 19 + CEY to Gold Coast for pick 2 (Lukosius) and 3 (Rankine).

(Pick 11 from Carlton compo, Pick 12 from Melbourne)

That's a fair deal according to this :

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#7,11,12,19|2,3


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That presumes we trade McGovern for pick 11 right?

So it’s mcgovern, 7,12,19 & CEY for 2 & 3

Given I think McGovern is worth a top 5 pick, that’s 12,19 & CEY to upgrade 5 & 7 seems too much

If the McGovern trade for 11 came with other bits like 24 & 26 then I’d probably consider it

 

[Sanders]

Because we have greater knowledge of both SOS and Bolton and a greater knowledge of our list than you do.

Evidently not seeing as you seem to rate all 3

 

[Sanders]

john west does

Be a better list manager than SOS