Mitch McGovern (please read OP)

[Sanders]

Was just looking up dad, and it makes for interesting reading.

Andrew McGovern was no scrub

Drafted #4 overall in the 1991 draft, aged 23.

Captained WA state team in 1994

 

[Iron]

Your analogy is dumb.

This is not necessarily directed at you but to all the naive comments made in this thread I’ve read regarding Carlton/SOS.

To compare the Carlton team to those clubs right now is not a smart comparison, as SOS & co. clearly stated that they would gut the club of list cloggers etc. and that it would take three off seasons to get youth in before looking to take the rebuild to the next step which we are approaching...the process has been made very public so it’s not hard for you to go and read into it. To see the turnover of 40+ players in 3 years is ballsy and unprecedented. Those 3 clubs are clearly in a different mode/list cycle to ours. For people to comment with name calling and clear lack of understanding as to why decisions/moves have been made on something that isn’t even finished is laughable in itself.
If you want to make comment on it then go do your due diligence, educate yourself and then make an educated response rather than talk nonsense about something that is clearly not understood by people chiming in on a conversation based around the trade of 1 player.
I understand why crows supporters put a high value on McGovern and I also understand the value put on our draft picks by our supporters...feel free to debate that value but I don’t understand the immature comments on here...beyond pathetic and obviously low brow individuals that are unlikely to ever say these things to the faces of those they talk about, in other words true keyboard warriors.

To answer your question , I really don’t give a shit about what other club recruiters do.
I would compare GWS (rather than Carlton’s) as that is the list SOS was building when the majority of those clubs lists were being built. In saying that GWS’ list is better than Adelaide’s, just gone past Sydney’s (as I think they’re declining) and would be better than Collingwood if all players were fit and on the Park.

Crows have had a shitty year from what I’ve seen...I would hope you guys were looking harder at what’s wrong within your four walls rather than spill a clear lack of understanding of what’s happening at ours.
Having been born and raised in Adelaide I have a lot of family members & friends who are crows supporters... not one of them is happy with what is going on and rightly so.
Admittedly I’m only gauging my own personal views from this with on onfield performances/results after being in a grand final last year and from a few things said to me from those I know in Adelaide...pretty damning.
I understand we’re dead last by some degree...but I also understand why.
Rather than sprout on and mud sling like a bunch of school kids...use that education you gained to have a more broader understanding of a teams position and direction than the crap I’m reading. Any outsider looking in can see straight through the sour grapes.

If getting progressively worse was part of your grand plan, why ask the AFL for assistance? Can you answer that?

 

[Bearded Clam]

I'll keep Mackay for depth, but they can have Burton.

You wouldnt wish that on your worst enemy..

 

[97-98]

Hypothetical question.

Let's assume that Carlton gets PP12.

Would you do 12 + 25 for Gov + 37?

Just say that trade goes ahead, over last two years trades between us and Carlton would on draft points value effectively be:

Gov +14 for Gibbs.

How would people have felt if last year we traded Gov and picks 10 or 12 for Gibbs?

 

[GROTTO]

How would people have felt if last year we traded Gov and picks 10 or 12 for Gibbs?

Robbed and assaulted by SOS.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Hypothetical question.

Let's assume that Carlton gets PP12.

Would you do 12 + 25 for Gov + 37?

Just say that trade goes ahead, over last two years trades between us and Carlton would on draft points value effectively be:

Gov +14 for Gibbs.

How would people have felt if last year we traded Gov and picks 10 or 12 for Gibbs?

Pissed off!..

A 23 year old Gov is worth easily as much as a 29 year old Gibbs.

And given the way Carlton held firm over two firsts with Gibbs.. I expect the crows to ask for two firsts and hold firm.. 12
+ 25 for gov is worst case as far as I am concerned... so 12 + 25 for Gibbs and 37 is diabolical!. I’d rather hold onto him.

37, in the hands of Hamish O, could net us a gun.. Worpel went in the 40’s last year in a poor draft year... this is a good draft year... there will definately be some diamonds that get overlooked in all the rough this year.. Hamish will sniff them out.

 

[mickfaxis]

That presumes we trade McGovern for pick 11 right?

So it’s mcgovern, 7,12,19 & CEY for 2 & 3

Given I think McGovern is worth a top 5 pick, that’s 12,19 & CEY to upgrade 5 & 7 seems too much

If the McGovern trade for 11 came with other bits like 24 & 26 then I’d probably consider it

I'd like to think that McGovern is a top 5 pick too, but unfortunately we'll find out during this coming trade period that he isn't.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

All day every day

He’s just about the biggest talent on our list alongside Brouch

You’re behind the curve on this one

How am I behind the curve ? I'm just quoting the Carlton CEO

McGovern is a potential gun but its best we trade him if get a massive offer as he has never fully committed himself

That is all

 

[#CQ#]

Hypothetically speaking:

Lets say Collingwood become's the destination for Gov

What would we like in return?

 

[Thetrader15]

Hypothetical question.

Let's assume that Carlton gets PP12.

Would you do 12 + 25 for Gov + 37?

Just say that trade goes ahead, over last two years trades between us and Carlton would on draft points value effectively be:

Gov +14 for Gibbs.

How would people have felt if last year we traded Gov and picks 10 or 12 for Gibbs?

No

 

[Elite Crow]

Hypothetically speaking:

Lets say Collingwood become's the destination for Gov

What would we like in return?

Grundy

 

[Thetrader15]

Hypothetically speaking:

Lets say Collingwood become's the destination for Gov

What would we like in return?

Starts with B and ends in Rodie Grundy

 

[1990crow]

Doubt he’s staying no matter what based on this.

 

[Cleric]

At least that bits right. Mitch is Raw but you compare him to a player 2 years younger hat has had a better year than him. Please don't just say stuff. I'm being lazy but take a guess who's who on the following.

Season Highlights

18 disps (16 kicks 2 hballs), 10 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 19 35-pt win over Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium (28 Jul 2018)

17 disps (13 kicks 4 hballs), 9 marks and 4 goals in Rd 15 21-pt loss to Port Adelaide at the MCG (30 Jun 2018)

19 disps (16 kicks 3 hballs), 10 marks and 3 goals in Rd 14 20-pt loss to Collingwood at the MCG (24 Jun 2018)

19 disps (13 kicks 6 hballs), 11 marks and a goal in Rd 6 21-pt loss to the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium (27 Apr 2018)

20 disps (15 kicks 5 hballs), 9 marks and 2 goals in Rd 3 24-pt loss to Collingwood at the MCG (6 Apr 2018)

19 disps (14 kicks 5 hballs), 10 marks and 5 goals in Rd 1 26-pt loss to Richmond at the MCG (22 Mar 2018)

Season Highlights

16 disps (13 kicks 3 hballs), 9 marks and 5 goals in Rd 7 55-pt win over Carlton at Adelaide Oval (5 May 2018)

20 disps (13 kicks 7 hballs) and 11 marks in Rd 5 10-pt win over Sydney at the SCG (20 Apr 2018)

15 disps (15 kicks), 8 marks and 2 goals in Rd 3 49-pt win over St Kilda at Etihad Stadium (7 Apr 2018)

Why dont you include Govs full seasons than an interrupted one? Oh yeah, we know why.

 

[#CQ#]

Starts with B and ends in Rodie Grundy

Will never happen

 

[Cap]

Anyone know what Mitchs partner does.

I am not suggesting she has any influence in making Mitch leave, but you would assume they would be looking for a mutually beneficial move.

On that note, does anyone get a feeling it could be Sydney looking at Mcgovern?

 

[Vhaluus]

We have a team full of kids.

really?

You realized most of your best players are retiring in a year or two right?

 

[Gethelred]

Look I’m trying to be polite, consider it a Fathers Day gesture, but you have no idea if SOS walked away. The odds are given how poor you’ve been the players chose better options. Therefore you have no idea if he would with Gov. But you’ve obviously thrown Gov a huge offer otherwise he wouldn’t choose the club he just helped flog by 100 points. Therefore SOS won’t walk away.

For the sake of argument, there's two aspects to every trade: the player and the club. Getting the player onside sufficiently to want them to come to you is only part of the deal, you need to be able to facilitate the trade without cutting off your nose to spite your face. The key here is that if Adelaide demands a price we're unwilling to pay - not pick 1's value in points, not two firsts, but absolutely final pick 1 or nothing - we're out, and Gov will have to find a new home elsewhere for someone willing to pay what you're asking price, which in all probability would be less than pick 1.

But then, you know precisely what I'm saying, you just disagree. That's fine too.

Nonetheless, I've said what I came here to say. Peace.

 

[Elite Crow]

For the sake of argument, there's two aspects to every trade: the player and the club. Getting the player onside sufficiently to want them to come to you is only part of the deal, you need to be able to facilitate the trade without cutting off your nose to spite your face. The key here is that if Adelaide demands a price we're unwilling to pay - not pick 1's value in points, not two firsts, but absolutely final pick 1 or nothing - we're out, and Gov will have to find a new home elsewhere for someone willing to pay what you're asking price, which in all probability would be less than pick 1.

But then, you know precisely what I'm saying, you just disagree. That's fine too.

Nonetheless, I've said what I came here to say. Peace.

For the record I don’t think anyone has said Gov is a straight swap for 1. Adding Melbournes first to it is a fair trade IMO.

What I don’t agree with is the notion we need to accept unders because he’s chosen Carlton. Bad luck, he’s contracted. We get what we want or he stays. If Carlton are prepared to offer him huge money but are then not prepared to trade for him knowing he’s contracted, you’ve got to question what SOS is doing.

 

[Gethelred]

For the record I don’t think anyone has said Gov is a straight swap for 1. Adding Melbournes first to it is a fair trade IMO.

What I don’t agree with is the notion we need to accept unders because he’s chosen Carlton. Bad luck, he’s contracted. We get what we want or he stays. If Carlton are prepared to offer him huge money but are then not prepared to trade for him knowing he’s contracted, you’ve got question what SOS is doing.

On that, I'd absolutely agree with you. He's contracted, and because he's contracted you deserve the price you set, with the only mitigating factor being the price others are willing to pay to satisfy you.

 

[Elite Crow]

On that, I'd absolutely agree with you. He's contracted, and because he's contracted you deserve the price you set, with the only mitigating factor being the price others are willing to pay to satisfy you.

Not really, if no one satisfies us he stays.

 

[FR0GGY]

We have a team full of GWS reject kids.

Yep

 

[headache1]

Don't see how.

If they - Smith, Saad, Mitchell etc - rejected our offer for whatever reason, SOS didn't try to alter the offer to enter back into contention again, he moved onto other options. Could do exactly the same for McGovern, unless you want to create a narrative in which McGovern has been approached constantly all season by us alone, instead of fielding offers from half a dozen clubs as has been reported.

Well the precise reason in your "whatever reason" comment is important. If they rejected the offer because they said they had no interest in playing for Carlton, then walking away is the only option.

 

[Gethelred]

Not really, if no one satisfies us he stays.

That is what contracted means.

 

[Elite Crow]

That is what contracted means.

Exactly, care to share this news with your fellow Carlton posters?