Toast Morabito tracking thread

[apparentlydead]

I agree Dudley. The so called draft experts all come up with similar top 20/25 names (except for one or two surprises) and base their call on a weak or strong draft based on that list in comparison to other years. From a depth perspective I'm not sure how anyone can make the call that one draft is deeper than another and I'm sure the extreme lottery that is after the first 20/25 or so picks will be the same with some gems available later based on the skills of the talent identification teams / recruiters for each of the clubs.

That is very much what I am arguing, just better articulated.

Thank you.

This whole...well we're rooted this year cos the draft is shallow is utter w@nk.

 

[apparentlydead]

At the end of the 2014 season I had a thorough look at the previous 10 years (2004-13) National (first 60 picks), Rookie (first 30 picks) and Pre-Season (all picks) drafts.

The numbers looked like this...(NB: the figures and comments haven't been adjusted to include 2015 season).

National (#1-60) Rookie (#1-30) Pre-Season (all picks)

Total players: 597-284-67
Average games played: 46-22-33
Median games played: 26-3-21
No. of players still current (% of total): 385 (64.9%)- 87 (30.6%)- 18 (26.9%)
Played 0 games (current players): 73 (30)- 122 (8)- 1 (0)
Played 1-3 games: 51 (25)- 27 (5)- 11 (1)
Played 4-10 games: 65 (34)- 35 (13)- 14 (3)
Played 11-24 games: 99 (55)- 35 (14)- 13 (1)
Played 25-49 games: 93 (56)- 24 (13)- 14 (3)
Played 50-99 games: 117 (93)- 20 (15)- 8 (6)
Played 100-199 games: 93 (86)- 20 (18)- 5 (3)
Played 200+ games: 6 (6)- 1 (1)- 1 (1)

Roughly 2/3 of players drafted via the National draft (ND) are still current vs less than 1/3 of those drafted via the Rookie draft (RD) or Pre-Season draft (PSD).

Nearly ½ of all RD players fail to play even one game.

ND players are far more likely to reach the 100 game plateau (1 in 6.03) compared to the other drafts (RD 1 in 13.52, PSD 1 in 11.17).

At this point let's put the Rookie and Pre-Season drafts aside and concentrate on the National draft.

Breaking the National draft down a little we see something like this …


National Draft 2004-2013 (#1-60)

Pick no.:#1-10 #11-20 #21-30 #31-40 #41-50 #51-60

Total players: 100- 100-100- 100- 99- 98
No. of players still current: 89- 73- 69- 63- 51- 40
Average games played: 76- 57- 44- 40- 34- 22
Median games played: 69- 38- 26- 24- 20- 6
Played 0 games (current players): 2 (2)- 2 (0)- 9 (5)- 19 (9)- 21 (10)- 20 (4)
Played 1-3 games: 1 (0)- 10 (7)- 8 (3)- 8 (5)- 7 (3)- 17 (7)
Played 4-10 games: 3 (2)- 9 (7)- 10 (7)- 11 (5)- 10 (5)- 22 (8)
Played 11-24 games: 16 (13)- 17 (11)- 21 (12)- 13 (5)- 19 (10)- 13 (4)
Played 25-49 games: 19 (17)- 19 (11)- 15 (9)- 13 (9)- 14 (4)- 13 (6)
Played 50-99 games: 28 (26)- 23 (18)- 21 (18)- 21 (16)- 18 (10)- 6 (5)
Played 100-199 games: 26 (24)- 20 (19)- 16 (15)- 14 (13)- 10 (9)- 7 (6)
Played 200+ games: 5 (5)- 0- 0- 1 (1)- 0- 0

Miscellaneous notes

Of the 43 players to end their careers without playing a single game: 6 were top 30 picks the other 37 were #31-60.

Mitch Thorp and John Meesen are the only top 10 picks to play less than 10 games.

Every #1 pick is still playing.

Scott Gumbleton is the only top 3 pick no longer playing. Richard Tambling and Cale Morton are the only other top 5 picks no longer playing.

Only 5 players selected in the top 30 between 2010 and 2013 (possible 120) are no longer playing. Sadly 3 of the 5 are former Freo players (Pitt, Forster and Simpson).

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Are picks 31-60 worth having?

Over the past 3 years:

34 of a possible 88 haven’t debuted.
48 of 88 have played less than 4 games.
15 of 88 have played between 4 and 10 games.
25 of 88 have played more than 10 games. (Brad Hill is the only one with 50+ games).

Does size matter?

Total Drafted by Height (2004-13, Picks #1-60)

Height- No. of players drafted- Retired- % Current

180 < cms: 48- 22- 54.2%
180 -183 cms: 112- 38- 66.1%
184 -187 cms: 124- 42- 66.1%
188 -191 cms: 110- 42- 61.8%
192 -195 cms: 100- 40- 60%
196+ cms: 103- 28- 72.8%

Chris Masten is the highest 180< cms player drafted (#3, 2007).

Dion Prestia (175cms) is the shortest top 10 pick (#9, 2010).

Sorry...tl;dr

A brief summary please.

 

[Van_Dyke]

That is very much what I am arguing, just better articulated.

Thank you.

This whole...well we're rooted this year cos the draft is shallow is utter w@nk.

Each year the all strength thing is typically wank. 2013 was apparently a shite draft. 2014 was said by some to be bad. 2015 this time last year was strong. Every ****ing year.

 

[itsduffy]

Morabito in the fwd line? Shocked me to see he's taller than Fyfe!

 

[wayToGo_]

Quick question... How many senior list spots will "Modrabito" take up when he is ready? Hoping only 2 or 3. Heard they are using Fyfe's legs, Bennell's x factor, Sandi's height, Alex P's tank, and Morabito's persistence. So could be as many as 5 spots, and if that is the case we might not be drafting anyone else this year. Thinking about it now they probably should have thrown in some goal kicking ability as well.... hmmm.

 

[bone2468]

Morabito in the fwd line? Shocked me to see he's taller than Fyfe!

Morabito makes Fyfe look small in person its incrediable

Just imagine if he can get on the Park with Bennel/Fyfe/Morabito tearing it up.

 

[Clems Knee]

Was aerial ability ever a strength of Morabito?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Quick question... How many senior list spots will "Modrabito" take up when he is ready? Hoping only 2 or 3. Heard they are using Fyfe's legs, Bennell's x factor, Sandi's height, Alex P's tank, and Morabito's persistence. So could be as many as 5 spots, and if that is the case we might not be drafting anyone else this year. Thinking about it now they probably should have thrown in some goal kicking ability as well.... hmmm.

Given that Pav said that at the same age Morabito is a better player than he was, and further because they are almost identical in height and weight, it is not outrageous to hope Mora can fill that KPF spot.
We also know that Mora can comfortably kick 50 metres.
Obviously we are all aware of the major hurdle he faces with his knees however he has had suffered no further setback to the reconstructed knee. His recent bone bruising is completely different and requires rest. He has had that rest and now in his own words he is ready to go.
So all things considered he is starting fresh and could be considered for that KPF role.
You can be a sarcastic campaigner all you like but it is not an outrageous hope.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Was aerial ability ever a strength of Morabito?

Strength. Speed. Never has a great leap from memory.

 

[wayToGo_]

Given that Pav said that at the same age Morabito is a better player than he was, and further because they are almost identical in height and weight, it is not outrageous to hope Mora can fill that KPF spot.
We also know that Mora can comfortably kick 50 metres.
Obviously we are all aware of the major hurdle he faces with his knees however he has had suffered no further setback to the reconstructed knee. His recent bone bruising is completely different and requires rest. He has had that rest and now in his own words he is ready to go.
So all things considered he is starting fresh and could be considered for that KPF role.
You can be a sarcastic campaigner all you like but it is not an outrageous hope.

Tis' ok, understand at your age it might take a bit more time to read through the threads. "Modrabito" refers to a frankenstein-like creation that is apparently going to fill our KPF spot - ie "Modra" + "Morabito" = "Modrabito". Regardless of this, I'd love it if Morabito had a crack up forward. Suspect in reality it might take a while (post him saying he is "ready to go") for him to be moulded into a forward if that is the plan though. If the opposition teams were as defensive as you our forwards would have no chance.

 

[sherrif]

Given that Pav said that at the same age Morabito is a better player than he was, and further because they are almost identical in height and weight, it is not outrageous to hope Mora can fill that KPF spot.
We also know that Mora can comfortably kick 50 metres.
Obviously we are all aware of the major hurdle he faces with his knees however he has had suffered no further setback to the reconstructed knee. His recent bone bruising is completely different and requires rest. He has had that rest and now in his own words he is ready to go.
So all things considered he is starting fresh and could be considered for that KPF role.
You can be a sarcastic campaigner all you like but it is not an outrageous hope.

I remember Mora said in a pre draft interview he played asa key forward his entire junior career because of his size. It was only in the couple of weeks before the underage carnival that he changed roles to play in the midfield. Im pretty sure the interview was between the underage carnival and the draft.

 

[Clems Knee]

Tis' ok, understand at your age it might take a bit more time to read through the threads

Lol. I'm enjoying your posts today, newcomer.

 

[Grandstan]

Given that Pav said that at the same age Morabito is a better player than he was, and further because they are almost identical in height and weight, it is not outrageous to hope Mora can fill that KPF spot.
We also know that Mora can comfortably kick 50 metres.
Obviously we are all aware of the major hurdle he faces with his knees however he has had suffered no further setback to the reconstructed knee. His recent bone bruising is completely different and requires rest. He has had that rest and now in his own words he is ready to go.
So all things considered he is starting fresh and could be considered for that KPF role.

Given his height/speed that was the hope we had for Mora back in the day. But given his issues, I believe he's going to need to stay on the slim side now. That surely means no KP roles for some time.

 

[Van_Dyke]

I just hope Mora can make it. He won't live up to what we were thinking circa 2010, but from this far back, no one could.

 

[apparentlydead]

Tis' ok, understand at your age it might take a bit more time to read through the threads.

Why? Just why would you say shit like that and expect a warm and considerate welcome here?

Really, really dumb move.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Tis' ok, understand at your age it might take a bit more time to read through the threads. "Modrabito" refers to a frankenstein-like creation that is apparently going to fill our KPF spot - ie "Modra" + "Morabito" = "Modrabito". Regardless of this, I'd love it if Morabito had a crack up forward. Suspect in reality it might take a while (post him saying he is "ready to go") for him to be moulded into a forward if that is the plan though. If the opposition teams were as defensive as you our forwards would have no chance.

You are the only one that uses the ridiculous term Modrabito.
You've got two dicks pal and one of them evidently can type.

 

[wayToGo_]

Why? Just why would you say shit like that and expect a warm and considerate welcome here?

Really, really dumb move.

But we wouldn't have unearthed gold like "You've got two dicks pal and one of them evidently can type." otherwise. Sorry, it is my own fault, I couldn't find the omit stupidity checkbox in the BigFooty settings.

 

[apparentlydead]

But we wouldn't have unearthed gold like "You've got two dicks pal and one of them evidently can type." otherwise. Sorry, it is my own fault, I couldn't find the omit stupidity checkbox in the BigFooty settings.

Or, alternatively, you could just feel your way around the site as a n00b, instead alienating yourself from most of the regulars and senior posters within 10 posts.

 

[wayToGo_]

Or, alternatively, you could just feel your way around the site as a n00b, instead alienating yourself from most of the regulars and senior posters within 10 posts.

Nah sorry, when you are new and you get called a "sarcastic campaigner" within your first couple of posts (when you weren't even close to being sarcastic at all) are you supposed to just accept that? It's certainly not going to be the end of my world if I get attacked by a mob in an online forum. But if you're going to deal it out then you should expect to get it back. More than happy to reap what I sow. Sounds like others here don't share that philosophy.

 

[apparentlydead]

Nah sorry, when you are new and you get called a "sarcastic campaigner" within your first couple of posts (when you weren't even close to being sarcastic at all) are you supposed to just accept that? It's certainly not going to be the end of my world if I get attacked by a mob in an online forum. But if you're going to deal it out then you should expect to get it back. More than happy to reap what I sow. Sounds like others here don't share that philosophy.

If old Fred calling you a sarcastic campaigner is such an issue for you, then I feel that you may struggle here.


There's no mob attack.

Anyways, welcome.

 

[maf303]

lol

 

[wayToGo_]

If old Fred calling you a sarcastic campaigner is such an issue for you, then I feel that you may struggle here.


There's no mob attack.

Anyways, welcome.

Thanks for the welcome. A mob with pitchforks at the gate might be more interesting though Not sure I am any wiser about Morabito's status since looking through this thread unfortunately.

 

[Dockernut]

Was aerial ability ever a strength of Morabito?

Not really, but he did test as having the biggest mits in his draft pool, so can't hurt his cause as a forward.

FWIW Scully had the smallest.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Not really, but he did test as having the biggest mits in his draft pool, so can't hurt his cause as a forward.

FWIW Scully had the smallest.

I don't recall Mora being a particularly strong mark certainly not in the class of Pav. However, he could not possibly be worse than Taberner.
Mora's main attributes were his speed, strength and long kick. The knock on him from his debut season was he tended to bomb the ball rather than steady and aim.
One match at Subi, I recall thinking he should have kicked that goal from about 63 metres. He was under no pressure running toward the Perth end and just through the centre square; again he failed to steady and blasted away. He made the distance easily, albeit off target.
So, if he can get the ball within 55 metres it is a scoring opportunity. Whether that be on a lead or in play doesn't matter IMO.
He may well prove to be a reasonable contested mark yet.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Take it to the take outside thread before I brick yas