Rumour Multiple GWS players are set to be suspended to start the 2025 season after distasteful costumes and skits from their post-season function

[Carringbush2010]

It's possible someone with IBS was nearby, who hasn't been able to fart safely in public for many years. Clearly I was mocking them with my disrespectful behaviors

Be careful, mocking is punishable.

 

[BF Tiger]

Was the AFL this concerned about women when they fixtured some of them to play five games in 20 days?

 

[Aussie in exile]

Complete madness by the AFL

Lets be honest if this had happened in Victoria, SA or WA it wouldn't have seen the light of day for obvious reasons, but NSW is not Victoria or SA or WA.

 

[Saucery]

What stands out to me is a complete lack of awareness by the leadership group, they just stood by and let it happen. Like the last quarter of the semi-final! This and the exodus aside I can't see them making the eight next year.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So I don't have to search through 75 pages, can someone please direct me to a post that outlines exactly what they did?

Seems excessive.

They unwittingly exposed themselves to the woke-washers of the AFL defending the purity of their own gambling-funded bloated salaries

 

[Aussie in exile]

What stands out to me is a complete lack of awareness by the leadership group, they just stood by and let it happen. Like the last quarter of the semi-final! This and the exodus aside I can't see them making the eight next year.

Intelligence is not their strong point obviously.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

So on that basis you and I should have no view because neither of us have seen the skit. Are you prepared to drop your criticisms based on this. Let me qualify it. Idon doing a skit based on a fight scene from Django Unchained can not be judged by a group of white people assuming the basis of the skit is true to the film.

Does that work for you. Don't you feel uncomfortable with a man of African heritage being told how he can interpret a slavery based skit by a sports body.

Whoa there turbo. No, I don’t know what was in the skit, but I do know it was enough for some fairly harsh punishment, as has played out. We may never know what the skits involved, but if the players don’t appeal, which so far they haven’t, it would be fair to assume it wasn’t nothing.

If that is all Idun did, then fair enough, I agree that he shouldn’t be judge by a bunch of white people with how he would like to find humour in slavery.

That’s the whole problem with sections of this thread - “ The AFL are overreacting..” etc, you can’t know they are overreacting without knowing the full details.

I’m not saying the punishments are fair, because I don’t know, but I will say I don’t think the AFL would just randomly suspend/fine a large number of players without some cause.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Thats a harsh call. A broad brush of society have always enjoyed dark humour and poking at terrible historical events. There is a video posted here of a whole range of comedians doing jokes about 9:11. Dark humour often stastains us and lets us release on serious painful subjects. Your sensibilities are to be respected if you dont like that form of humour but to imply if you do you are a loser who will be socially ousted just doesnt sit with reality for me

The state, employers or people who seek to censor others thoughts, actions, books read , films watched etc should be approached with care. You dont have to like what other people like or say but outside some pretty strict guidelines to want to censor them is a slippery slope.

I agree, and I said in other posts I am not a lefty who censors or wants to ruin people, but I have my opinions to give like anyone else.

So what is this strict guideline?? Is racist or sexist jokes included in the dark humor that is fine??

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Was the AFL this concerned about women when they fixtured some of them to play five games in 20 days?

I mean the two things are unrelated, but you knew that.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I was, Navy, best job I ever had.

Tip my hat to you, respect

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[gambinotosserflog]

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Ken oath!

For once I agree with Swan. This is peak gen z preciousness. Only in 2024 could we find such minimal things to get worked up about.

 

[BF Tiger]

I mean the two things are unrelated, but you knew that.

I was making a point, but you knew that.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

I was making a point, but you knew that.

No, you were making a scarecrow

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Doesn't that come down to 'too soon'?

Common sense says the individual needs to choose their audience wisely, which by the sounds of it, they tried to do.

Hypothetically, I wonder how an 'evil woman' themed night would have been responded to. Would the GWS AFLW captain be upset if Coniglio dressed as Leonarda Cianciulli carrying around a few bars of soap?

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I think this comes down to personal opinions here. For mine this is just off topic given the sickening nature of terrorism, poke fun at the terrorists, but don’t poke fun of the tragedy itself.

Sounds like plenty of people will hold similar views about racism or sexism with a viewpoint it’s ok to throw in some humor for particular audiences, which is fine I am not either or, like you said.. just pick your audience appropriately

 

[Atch]

I'd say the mass gambling ads you see broadcast everywhere at all times of the day on all platforms are a bigger problem than a couple of buffoons pissed out of there skulls privately acting out some questionable skits amongst friends, address that first AFL you cowards.

 

[BF Tiger]

No, you were making a scarecrow

Incorrect.

 

[Carringbush2010]

but I will say I don’t think the AFL would just randomly suspend/fine a large number of players without some cause.

The cause being damage to their reputation, even though that ship has sailed a long time ago.

 

[Pacman82]

Giving out fines for silly costumes worn at a bad taste party is like giving out speeding tickets at the Gold Coast 500.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

If you have a problem with a satirical movie existing then God help you, because nobody on earth can

It's one of my favourites. read the text.

 

[EagleShore]

People from all walks of life have been sacked/sanctioned for their behaviour at private work events, why should the AFL be any different.
If a bunch of AFL executives engaged in similar behaviour at an office Christmas party, I imagine everyone on here would be baying for blood.
The GWS players engaged in some pretty reprehensible behaviour, it came out, and they are being punished. I see no issue.

With regard to the first bolded part, I contend that this would only be true insofar as such behaviour from a group of AFL executives would be perceived as being highly hypocritical given their preference for rather vanilla displays of behaviour by AFL players in general, rather than the individuals being castigated for their behaviour per se. If it were the latter, then yes, people on here sharing my stance on this would be hypocritical.

The second bolded part represents the actual issue/s I believe most people have with this "scandal":

A) "pretty reprehensible behaviour" as you put it, is a subjective take. The players were dressed up as dodgy characters and acted out some nonsense skits as part of poking fun at the world/dealing with horrible situations from history using dark humour, which is a well-recognised aspect of human culture (people have cited some of Jimmy Carr's work as but one example of this). In the linked article, some will cite the "wrong moment" clause, but I believe that an end of year piss-up party by a group of young men who have worked their arses off all season is not the wrong moment, and perhaps it could be argued that it is EXACTLY the right time to engage in such silliness;

B) The fact that "it came out, and they are being punished" is the other aspect...why did it need to be punished simply because it "came out"? Should there be CCTV monitoring of all private functions in the future so that no such behaviour goes unpunished by the self-appointed arbiters of decent human behaviour? Where is the right to privacy of the players engaging in their, admittedly distasteful, end of year antics as part of decompressing after a stressful year of solid work?; And

C) Another facet is the hypocrisy that people have pointed out...one example is the drug use/conduct unbecoming of the likes of Stengle and others that largely went unpunished (okay, from a mental health perspective, we can excuse this - why can't we use that to excuse the antics of the GWS players in terms of them "letting their hair down"? That could easily be seen through the lens of mental health; The other example is the established link between the AFL, promotion of gambling companies ALL SEASON LONG, and domestic violence.

 

[iameviljez]

It's one of my favourites. read the text.

Then why are you making up a problem that I don’t think anyone here has? I don’t think anyone here is objecting to satirical films existing

That said, I agree with your take on the film. Palin in particular just blew me away, and I have no idea how anyone had the genius idea of Buscemi as Kruschev

 

[Jim Prideaux]

With regard to the first bolded part, I contend that this would only be true insofar as such behaviour from a group of AFL executives would be perceived as being highly hypocritical given their preference for rather vanilla displays of behaviour by AFL players in general, rather than the individuals being castigated for their behaviour per se. If it were the latter, then yes, people on here sharing my stance on this would be hypocritical.

The second bolded part represents the actual issue/s I believe most people have with this "scandal":

A) "pretty reprehensible behaviour" as you put it, is a subjective take. The players were dressed up as dodgy characters and acted out some nonsense skits as part of poking fun at the world/dealing with horrible situations from history using dark humour, which is a well-recognised aspect of human culture (people have cited some of Jimmy Carr's work as but one example of this). In the linked article, some will cite the "wrong moment" clause, but I believe that an end of year piss-up party by a group of young men who have worked their arses off all season is not the wrong moment, and perhaps it could be argued that it is EXACTLY the right time to engage in such silliness;

B) The fact that "it came out, and they are being punished" is the other aspect...why did it need to be punished simply because it "came out"? Should there be CCTV monitoring of all private functions in the future so that no such behaviour goes unpunished by the self-appointed arbiters of decent human behaviour? Where is the right to privacy of the players engaging in their, admittedly distasteful, end of year antics as part of decompressing after a stressful year of solid work?; And

C) Another facet is the hypocrisy that people have pointed out...one example is the drug use/conduct unbecoming of the likes of Stengle and others that largely went unpunished (okay, from a mental health perspective, we can excuse this - why can't we use that to excuse the antics of the GWS players in terms of them "letting their hair down"? That could easily be seen through the lens of mental health; The other example is the established link between the AFL, promotion of gambling companies ALL SEASON LONG, and domestic violence.

I should have qualified with “alleged to have engaged in pretty reprehensible behaviour”, we, all of us, don’t know exactly what it was. The punishment is fit for a fairly serious actions - whether commensurate or not I cannot say.

Why did it need to come out? Do hospitality workers not deserve a safe workplace? Should they not complain? A pub (Public Bar) is not a private space. If you get your slug out in a pub, you will be in trouble, if you do it home, you won’t. You have no right to privacy at a pub anymore than in any public space.

I don’t care about the strangle thing, there is a thread for that, take it there.

I suggest watching Stewart Lees bit on stealing jokes with respect to Jimmy Carr, it’s a great bit, and it speaks to your point briefly.

 

[iameviljez]

Why did it need to come out? Do hospitality workers not deserve a safe workplace? Should they not complain? A pub (Public Bar) is not a private space. If you get your slug out in a pub, you will be in trouble, if you do it home, you won’t. You have no right to privacy at a pub anymore than in any public space.

I have to show my hand here - I worked in hospo for quite a while, and there is a long lonnnnngg history of people working in hospo being told to just shut up and cop shitty behaviour for minimum wage for many, many years.

It's particularly grating that guys like Mitch Robinson and Dane Swan - who have never had to work a shitty customer service job one day in their lives, and have presumably been on six-figure salaries since their first post-draft contract, feel the need to come down hard on this staff member for not putting up and shutting up, whoever they are.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

I have to show my hand here - I worked in hospo for quite a while, and there is a long lonnnnngg history of people working in hospo being told to just shut up and cop shitty behaviour for minimum wage for many, many years.

As did I, 2004-2019, and I’m still adjacent. Yup, there was some shit that used to go on that would make peoples hair curl. Sometimes I long for the old days, mostly as you remember the good times, and boy oh boy do I have some stories about police Christmas parties. But honestly, it was terrible for many, abuse, assault - both physical and sexual. I’m glad it’s changing, even if it takes groups like Swillhouse copping it even though I love their venues. Just because people put up with it, doesn’t make it ok.