Mundy and Tarrant trade value

[The Panther]

Warnock is an over the odds trade? You think Carlton could not get better than pick 24 for him now?

It depends who is after Warnock. I don't know what Warnock has done to be honest, Leigh Brown treated him with contempt & Jolly was taking pack mark after pack mark on him.

Which clubs have a shortfall in the ruck dept. that they would hand over a 1st Round Pick for Warnock. I can't see too many clubs biting at that one. Can you?

I also note you selectively forgot to mention McLean..

 

[Centurions]

Every team and supporter overrate their players to the max which is why trades are hardly ever done in the AFL and teams will only trade if they think they are going to be screwing the other team over. Rarely do they look for win-win trades with the exception of the Swans who normally pay a fair price and get good reward from their recycled players.

Stratton is a good young prospect but to say he is untouchable is laughable. If any club came to the Hawks with the right price he would be gone in a flash and the same would happen at nearly every club. Franklin and Hodge would be the only ones on your list I would consider untouchable...the advent of free agency will be intersting to see how it effects the trade table in the coming years...

 

[AndyLucimitis]

It depends who is after Warnock. I don't know what Warnock has done to be honest, Leigh Brown treated him with contempt & Jolly was taking pack mark after pack mark on him.

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Warnock was named 2nd best for Carlton that day in AFL stats

Jolly took 3 marks for the day - they must have been bloody good !!

 

[Brettox]

Would Thornton plus Armfield / Browne / unspecified Port player involved in Sam Jacobs trade be enough to get Tarrant to Carlton.

I think Mundy will stay, but if he was to go, then maybe Myers and 2nd Rounder for him. Kangaroos might package up Hale and player to get Mundy, good back-up for Sandilands

I don't think Carlton could afford what would be required in a trade to get Mundy.

 

[The Panther]

Warnock was named 2nd best for Carlton that day in AFL stats

Jolly took 3 marks for the day - they must have been bloody good !!

I don't know if you actually went to the game or not but Jolly took a beautiful pack mark (which was nominated for Mark of the Year) in the 1st where Warnock was a non entity in the forward 50 & did exactly the same in the 3rd. Walls & Darcy criticized Warnock about being outmarked & unpositioned when he went with Jolly in the forward 50. Brown did likewise.

The 2nd best player on stats that day for Carlton would have been lucky to be in the 1st 22 on the field given Collingwood's dominance on that day.

 

[pinkus maximus]

If Melbourne can get pick 11 for Brock McLean then I think we should be looking at say pick 7-10 plus steak knives for Mundy

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I don't know if you actually went to the game or not but Jolly took a beautiful pack mark (which was nominated for Mark of the Year) in the 1st where Warnock was a non entity in the forward 50 & did exactly the same in the 3rd. Walls & Darcy criticized Warnock about being outmarked & unpositioned when he went with Jolly in the forward 50. Brown did likewise.

The 2nd best player on stats that day for Carlton would have been lucky to be in the 1st 22 on the field given Collingwood's dominance on that day.

Wow - so Jolly took a mark in the 1st and 3rd quarters.

Ok - you've convinced me. Warnock definitely not worth Pick 24 !

 

[beev]

what about this?

jetta and stanton + 3rd rounder for west coasts number 4 pick + mckinley.

then we can give freo pick number 8 for mundy?

Essentially...

Essendon recieve: Pick 4 (Atley), David Mundy, Mckinley (Do not want)

Essendon lose: Pick 8, Brent Stanton, Leroy Jetta and Pick 46

Could work, unlikely though. Personally, I don't think Mundy is that much of an upgrade on Stanton.

And why is Mckinley mentioned in every trade involving West Coast...he is a spud (Yes, I remember he kicked 7 against Essendon).

 

[The Panther]

Ok - you've convinced me. Warnock definitely not worth Pick 24 !

Name 1 club, that would hand over Nick Suban/effectively a 1st Round Pick for Warnock right now.

 

[TylerDurden]

Stratton is a good young prospect but to say he is untouchable is laughable. If any club came to the Hawks with the right price he would be gone in a flash and the same would happen at nearly every club. Franklin and Hodge would be the only ones on your list I would consider untouchable...the advent of free agency will be intersting to see how it effects the trade table in the coming years...

You could add Rioli to those 2.

Stratton is an absolute gun. I'm sure the club would grooming him to be the backline general for the next decade.

 

[Faz 2000]

Mundy is worth plenty, playing fantastic inside footy with good skills and should do so for 4 more years, minimum.

Tarrant just can't be worth too much. Not least because Freo are motivated sellers (if he really wants back to Vic), and the market for 30yos is not good. 2nd or 3rd rounder alone, surely, would be enough.

Re: trashing Carlton's trades. Good luck finding a Carlton fan who feels Brock McLean was worth pick #11. Alas, we don't run the club.

But Warnock's form in the latter part of the year has justified plenty of the hype, in my opinion, and a team with lousy ruck stocks (both Adelaide clubs want one, don't they?) would probably pay a fair bit for a guy who could take over #1 NOW and potentially grow into a star in the next few years.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Name 1 club, that would hand over Nick Suban/effectively a 1st Round Pick for Warnock right now.

Depends - can Nick Suban be relied upon to take a mark in the 1st and 3rd quarters ??

OK so now we've handed over a 1st round pick for Warnock - I thought it was Pick 24 ?


To answer your question - probably Hawthorn, Port Adelaide and the Gold Coast.

 

[Kramer1]

Depends - can Nick Suban be relied upon to take a mark in the 1st and 3rd quarters ??

OK so now we've handed over a 1st round pick for Warnock - I thought it was Pick 24 ?


To answer your question - probably Hawthorn, Port Adelaide and the Gold Coast.

You forgot Carlton (given their time again).

 

[THE_GUN]

Tarrant ................. stkilda,hawks,carlton 2nd round pick

Mundy ................. pick 10-15 maybe essendon pick 8 if they really want him.

mundy wont go to gc & i cant see richmond (6) or westcoast (4) giving up 1st round picks

but in saying that it could be possible to upgrade freos 1st pick 20 something to either tigers pick 6 + fringe player or westcoast pick 4+fringe player for mundy if mundy was desperate to be traded.

 

[Patron]

i know people have used the mclean precedent before at pick 11 but that was a bad trade. he was not worth that. Mundy is starting to get on a little bit, still got a fair bit of good footy left but he's used a lot of it. i reckon he'd be attracting a pick around the 10-15 area. Maybe even a little less if he declares he wants to go. Could be the target of GC with one of there later first rounders.
Best case scenario for freo is essendon who are apparently after a good midfielder. They might be able to weasle their pick 8.

Tarrants worth little he's only got 1 year left. Two at absolute max. Your looking at a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Looking at barry hall precedent probably a third rounder.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Name 1 club, that would hand over Nick Suban/effectively a 1st Round Pick for Warnock right now.

Wow, the more you say the more idiotic you sound.

Firstly, there would be plenty of clubs that would trade Warnock for Suban, and probably vice versa. It's based on needs. Some lists need a promising young ruckman, and some need a good user of the ball of the half back line. Get it?

Secondly, when you trade a pick (such as the second round pick that got Suban), you trade with it the chance the pick may become a star, a good player or a spud. Suban will be a good player, quite whether he becomes the star your first round pick implies is yet to be seen. You've leapt to a conclusion.

Thirdly, when you trade for a player who has shown a bit of promise, but is still young (such as Warnock), again, you don't know whether that player will become a star or a good player or something less. You probably have some comfort - based on what you've been - that the guy will not be a spud. When you judge a young (very promising) ruckman too early in his career you just end up looking like a tool.

So, should Suban be valued as a round one pick as of today? No.

Should Warnock be valued as a round one pick as of today? No.

It might be better if you create an alias and just start again.

 

[Centurions]

You could add Rioli to those 2.

Stratton is an absolute gun. I'm sure the club would grooming him to be the backline general for the next decade.

Yeah he would be close actually..agreed and while Stratton is a key player for you given your lack of tall defenders if the right deal was there the Hawks would move him..the thing is neither team would agree...

 

[ytpme]

Essentially...

Essendon recieve: Pick 4 (Atley), David Mundy, Mckinley (Do not want)

Essendon lose: Pick 8, Brent Stanton, Leroy Jetta and Pick 46

Could work, unlikely though. Personally, I don't think Mundy is that much of an upgrade on Stanton.

And why is Mckinley mentioned in every trade involving West Coast...he is a spud (Yes, I remember he kicked 7 against Essendon).

Would it be OK if WC had a slight say in this? Oh, on second thoughts, it is not really worth it. Too many dreamers around here!

 

[Patron]

Would it be OK if WC had a slight say in this? Oh, on second thoughts, it is not really worth it. Too many dreamers around here!

Yer i lolled at that aswell.
Ohk essendon lets do a deal.
we get ryder and hurley freo gives you mundy, hill, morabito and barlow. Freo gets pick 26, mckinley and spangher from us.
So basically
Eagles get Bulk - lose not much
Essendon loses a bit but gets even more
Freo gets screwed.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I wouldn't trade Armfield for Tarrant straight up. Not a knock on Tarrant per se, but I'd rather than the 22 year old kid who is already entrenched in the best 18, than the 30 year old with a history of injuries.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Name 1 club, that would hand over Nick Suban/effectively a 1st Round Pick for Warnock right now.

So Cam Wood is worth 14 but Warnocks not worth 24? I know which of the two I'd rather have on my side right now.

People forget this was Warnock's first full year in a long time and he has shown that he is clearly cut out for a number 1 ruck role in the AFL. I'm not suggesting he's the next Sandilands, but I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that pick 24 is worth it for a genuine lead ruckman.

 

[Messenger]

For Mundy.......... Sewell and a draft pick not a first round.

For Tarrant a late pick maybe 3rd round, he is 30 injury prone and on the verge of retirement, anything more that is an absolute steal by Fremantle.

I think Sewell and a pick is heading towards fair value. To be honest though, why would he be traded after his very best season?

Tarrant - no. And certainly not for Stratton.

 

[sabre_ac]

The biggest problem with bigfooty is the value they put on draft picks...For the right club Tarrant is worth a late first rounder. For any club that isn't looking at a flag in the next two years, he clearly isnt.

Now Mundy..That's a completely different story.

The guy will go close to All Australian, from Essendon's point of view to claim he isn't worth pick 8 is insane, remind he how your pick 6 went in the 07 draft??
Face facts, the draft is still a gamble...West Coast will tell you that..Mundy is proven player.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Warnock was named 2nd best for Carlton that day in AFL stats

Jolly took 3 marks for the day - they must have been bloody good !!

Well said Andy, what will the Pink Panther come back with now, more garbage i suspect.

 

[Patron]

The biggest problem with bigfooty is the value they put on draft picks...For the right club Tarrant is worth a late first rounder. For any club that isn't looking at a flag in the next two years, he clearly isnt.

Now Mundy..That's a completely different story.

The guy will go close to All Australian, from Essendon's point of view to claim he isn't worth pick 8 is insane, remind he how your pick 6 went in the 07 draft??
Face facts, the draft is still a gamble...West Coast will tell you that..Mundy is proven player.

ohk ohk ohk. Tarrant is 30. He probably has 1 year left. He played 13 games this year out of a possible 24. KPD's are not very expensive. Why would a team forgo the chance of a good player who could play for atleast 10 years for a guy who has 1 left. Even if it was abblett.

Mundy is not that good. He's not a true elite mid. He's also 26 next year. and therefore only really has another 5 years guaranteed. pick 8 your dreaming.
Could be in with a shot with one of GC's late first rounders.