My 2008 Brownlow Medal - Cooney and Harvey tie

[Mr.Chicken]

It'd be intersting to see the Champion Data leaderboard. It not always accurate, but it was fairly accurate last year.

 

[AG]

oops yes - brain fade.

I wouldn't be surprised if Boomer wins - standout player in a team that has won a bunch of games.

That's why he won't win. He needs to be a standout player in a standout team. Most Brownlow medalists are normally from teams that have dominant H & A seasons.

 

[Mr.Chicken]

My final standings:

Top 10
26 > Brent Harvey (Nth)
24 > Gary Ablett (Gee)
22 > Jimmy Bartel (Gee)
20 > Adam Cooney (WB), Dane Swan (Coll)
19 > Scott Thompson (Adel), Simon Black (BL)
17 > Joel Selwood (Gee), Matthew Richardson (Rich), Leigh Montagna (StK)

Fairly beleivable top 10, think your being a bit generous to Richo as I can't see him getting that many votes, probably same in regards to Selwood. Otherwise, I would imagine thats pretty close to the mark!

 

[AG]

24 - Gary Ablett
23 - Jimmy Bartel
22 - Brent Harvey; Nick Riewoldt
21 - Adam Cooney; Lance Franklin
20 - Simon Black;
19 - Dane Swan; Brett Kirk
18 - Scott Thompson
17 - Joel Selwood; Sam Mitchell

Thats what I get.

 

[adii_7]

Richo to nab the brownlow

 

[Roos34]

i still think black may win it with around 25-27 votes. possibly a three way tie between bartel and boomer. It's a lottery this year, its going to come from black, ablett, bartel, boomer, selwood or a riewoldt, smokeys are joel corey

 

[asanque]

My final standings:

Top 10
26 > Brent Harvey (Nth)
24 > Gary Ablett (Gee)
22 > Jimmy Bartel (Gee)
20 > Adam Cooney (WB), Dane Swan (Coll)
19 > Scott Thompson (Adel), Simon Black (BL)
17 > Joel Selwood (Gee), Matthew Richardson (Rich), Leigh Montagna (StK)

Club Leaderboard:

Adelaide: 1> Thompson (19), 2> Vince (10), 3> van Berlo (10)
Brisbane: 1> Black (19), 2> Brown (11), 3> Johnstone (5)
Carlton: 1> Judd (13), 2> Murphy (9), 3> Gibbs (9)
Collingwood: 1> Swan (20), 2> Burns (11), 3> Pendlebury (10)
Essendon: 1> McVeigh (11), 2> Hille (7), 3> Welsh (5)
Fremantle: 1> Schammer (9), 2> Pavlich (8), 3> Palmer (5)
Geelong: 1> Ablett (24), 2> Bartel (22), 3> Selwood (17)
Hawthorn: 1> Bateman (15), 2> Hodge (12), 3> Mitchell (11)
Melbourne: 1> Bruce (6), 2> Wheatley (4), 3> Wonaemirri (2)
Kangaroos: 1> Harvey (26), 2> Wells (11), 3> Harris (6)
Richmond: 1> Richardson (17), 2> Tuck (11), 3> Deledio (10)
St Kilda: 1> Montagna (17), 2> Ball (15), 3> Goddard (8)
Sydney: 1> O'Keefe (12), 2> McVeigh (12), 3> Kirk (11)
West Coast: 1> Cox (9), 2> Kerr (4), 3> Braun/Staker/Priddis (3)
Western Bulldogs: 1> Cooney (20), 2> Akermanis (14), 3) Cross (11)

I've seen your rundown of Harvey votes, but have you posted a rundown of Ablett and Bartel?

It would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Edit: And you seem to have downgraded Harvey from 28 to 26. Where did those 2 votes go?

Quick best case scenario critique for Harvey:
Round 3 - 1 vote at best - Sewell and Lewis best 2 on ground.
Round 4 - 3 votes (from Roos board)
Round 5 - lets say 3 votes
Round 6 - 0 votes, only 3rd best on Roos board and that's not even counting Swans
Round 11 - 1 vote at best (Ablett and Mooney well in front)
Round 13 -Lets say 2 votes
Round 14 - Lets say 2 votes
Round 15 - lets say 3 votes
Round 16 - 3 votes
Round 17 - 1 vote from Roos board
Round 19 - 3 votes
Round 20 - 3 votes

I think 25 tops, although that is a best case scenario.

 

[Shakermaker94]

Since 2002 only three players have gotten 26 votes or more - Judd, Bartel, and Buckley. Each was the winner in their respective year. Four players getting 26+ in one year doesn't seem too likely.

well clearly if buckley got 26+, goodes and ricciuto obviously got 26 + too

 

[Cohzee]

well clearly if buckley got 26+, goodes and ricciuto obviously got 26 + too

If you had bothered to read the thread, you would have seen that someone has already pointed that one out.

For mine it is between Ablett, Bartel and Harvey. Ablett missing 4 weeks will hurt though.

 

[asanque]

Using the Geelong forum

Ablett - 22 votes

Bartel - 11 votes

Corey interestingly enough 19 votes

Edit: looking at grandstand - simon black is another smoky

 

[Cohzee]

Using the Geelong forum

Ablett - 22 votes

Bartel - 11 votes

Corey interestingly enough 19 votes

Are you going by our own B&F?

 

[asanque]

Are you going by our own B&F?

Yes, is that an issue?

 

[LondonCalling]

Edit: And you seem to have downgraded Harvey from 28 to 26. Where did those 2 votes go?

Well spotted, I ****ed it up, Harvey should be 28. Ablett 26.

Will give a rundown in a minute. Be a brief one, as I'm about to head out the door for work.

 

[LondonCalling]

Ablett: 2, 1, 0, 0, 3, 0, 0, 3, 0, 3, 3, 3, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 0, 3

Bartel: 0, 3, 0, 3, 0, 0, 1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 3, 3, 0, 2, 0, 0, 3, 0

 

[angry steve]

Cooney will be flying on roughly 16-22 votes after round 14 and most likely leading the count. However I only have him polling in one game(with the slight possibility of another) after that point.

I doubt he'll have enough to hold on and I expect 3-4 players to run over the top of him.

If you could wager on the leader at the halfway mark of the count (and I wouldn't be surprised if you can) I would be loading up on Adam.

 

[asanque]

Ablett: 2, 1, 0, 0, 3, 0, 0, 3, 0, 3, 3, 3, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 0, 3

Bartel: 0, 3, 0, 3, 0, 0, 1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 3, 3, 0, 2, 0, 0, 3, 0

Your votes for Ablett end up as 26

I'll do a quick analysis a bit later

 

[LondonCalling]

Yep, read the above post. Read the wrong columns in my excel spreadsheet.

 

[PIEd]

bartel will win it... book it

 

[asanque]

Yep, read the above post. Read the wrong columns in my excel spreadsheet.

Heheh no worries.

It may all come down to the Swans v Roos game!
I didn't watch it myself, but not too many sites I went to had Harvey on 1 vote let alone 3 votes.

Its reasonably early so if you have access to an in-running market, that is the key game.

 

[asanque]

Ablett: 2, 1, 0, 0, 3, 0, 0, 3, 0, 3, 3, 3, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 0, 3

Bartel: 0, 3, 0, 3, 0, 0, 1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 3, 3, 0, 2, 0, 0, 3, 0

Interestingly enough, you gave Ablett 3 votes in the last round and 0 to Bartel.

On the cats board, they gave 5 votes to Bartel and 0 to Ablett.

What was the rationale for those votes?

 

[LondonCalling]

Game by game:

Rd 1 vs. Port Adelaide:
Ablett - 24 touches, 8 contested, 10 inside 50's, 1 goal (2 votes)
Bartel - 15 touches, 9 tackles, 6 clearances, (0 votes)
Gave 3 to Corey and 1 to Cassisi

Rd 2 vs. Essendon:
Ablett - 34 touches, 7 contested, 5 clearances, 7 inside 50's, 2 goals (1 vote)
Bartel - 38 touches, 10 contested, 9 marks, 4 clearances, 5 inside 50's, 2 goals, 3 goal assists. (3 votes)
Gave 2 to Matthew Stokes

Rd 3 vs. Melbourne:
Ablett - 29 touches, 12 contested, 1 goal, 4 clearances (0 votes)
Bartel - 30 touches, 10 marks, 6 inside 50's, 3 goal assists (0 votes)
3- Chapman, 2 - Corey, 1- Wheatley

Rd 4 vs. St Kilda:
Ablett - 26 touches, 4 inside 50's, 4 tackles (0 votes)
Bartel - 31 touches, 9 marks, 4 inside 50's (3 votes)
2 - Selwood, 1 - Hunt

Rd 5 vs. Sydney:
Ablett - 35 touches, 17 contested, 3 goals, 9 clearances, 4 inside 50's (3 votes)
Bartel - 27 touches, 12 contested, 10 tackles, 5 clearances, 5 inside 50's, (0 votes)
2 - S.Johnson, 1 - Selwood

Rd 6 vs. Fremantle
Ablett - 15 touches, 10 contested, 6 tackles, 1 goal (0 votes)
Bartel - 21 touches, 9 contested, 7 tackles, (0 votes)
3 - Selwood, 2 - Sandilands, 1- Kelly

 

[snomeD]

FWIW here are my final standings

Harvey 26
Bartel 26

Ablett 25

Cooney 24

Judd 23

K.Cornes 21

Goodes 20

Franklin 19
Pavlich 19
Richardson 19
Swan 19
Mitchell 19

Thompson 18
Corey 18
Hodge 18

Palmer 17

Black 16

 

[LondonCalling]

Interestingly enough, you gave Ablett 3 votes in the last round and 0 to Bartel.

On the cats board, they gave 5 votes to Bartel and 0 to Ablett.

What was the rationale for those votes?

Could have given the 3-2-1 to about 9 Cats players. Admittedly, I switched off after half time.

Felt Ablett's contribution on paper had more chance of standing out, 9 clearances, 5 inside 50's, 2 goal assists and a goal (the first 3 stat categories seem to have a correlation with the votes moreso than any others in recent years) as opposed to Bartel's 5 clearances and 4 inside 50's.

 

[LondonCalling]

Not sure why K.Cornes seems to be up there with the top vote getters. His best performance is 13, last year when the Power made the grand final.

Pavlich is another who traditionally hasn't polled well in good Fremantle years.

 

[PAUL3232]

FWIW here are my final standings

Harvey 26
Bartel 26

Ablett 25

Cooney 24

Judd 23

K.Cornes 21

Goodes 20

Franklin 19
Pavlich 19
Richardson 19
Swan 19
Mitchell 19

Thompson 18
Corey 18
Hodge 18

Palmer 17

Black 16

Cant see how a team that won 3 or 4 games will have two players getting that many votes.
Think that your final standings are very wrong.