My 2017 team

[doona]

Would also add that it was the opposite in 2014. He shot off the blocks, but didn't end the year Jn the same manner.

I think he'll be a top 8 mid years end as well. And while he'll be cheaper halfway through (assuming he does have a slow start), no guaranteee the timing /cash will be right to get him in. A saved trade will end up being more valuable.

Fair call. I am predicting he will hit his straps earlier then last year, but he could easily be in the 500K range post Swans bye. Over the pre-season he was super impressive (not big numbers but when he was in the thick of it) and with the captainancy I am backing him in. (At the moment anyway).

 

[Whos_Your_Caddy]

Interested to hear from Cat followers as to their thoughts on Horlin Smith?
Looked impressive in his 2 JLT games but, is he in best 22?

Caddy and Bartel moving on creates an opening for someone but I wouldn't have any confidence in GHS. Since extending his contract he has hardly played AFL. 1 game last year in which he didn't show a lot. 7 in 2015 2 of those as a sub, at the time they extended the contract I feel like there was a few raised eye brows from supporters. One of the things our side lacks is pace and I wouldn't be looking to him to provide it, happy for him to prove me wrong but even if he is selected if he puts in some poor performances he will likely be dropped, also not sure on timeline but S Selwood will come back into the side.

*edit* I haven't picked him.

 

[go you pups]

Caddy and Bartel moving on creates an opening for someone but I wouldn't have any confidence in GHS. Since extending his contract he has hardly played AFL. 1 game last year in which he didn't show a lot. 7 in 2015 2 of those as a sub, at the time they extended the contract I feel like there was a few raised eye brows from supporters. One of the things our side lacks is pace and I wouldn't be looking to him to provide it, happy for him to prove me wrong but even if he is selected if he puts in some poor performances he will likely be dropped, also not sure on timeline but S Selwood will come back into the side.

*edit* I haven't picked him.

I kinda feel he was retained as a similar fringe type in Smedts was traded and you have lost a lot of drafting power because you've gone nuts in order to replenish your squad via trade/FA so the kids available where your draft picks were may not be as good a player as GHS.

Prospective rookie who may not make it vs already cheap depth/known quantity

 

[Whos_Your_Caddy]

I kinda feel he was retained as a similar fringe type in Smedts was traded and you have lost a lot of drafting power because you've gone nuts in order to replenish your squad via trade/FA so the kids available where your draft picks were may not be as good a player as GHS.

Prospective rookie who may not make it vs already cheap depth/known quantity

True, I think what also happened is he showed a bit early on and that's why they signed him. Then as kind of a victim of circumstance the game changed making it harder for him. Port's style in 2014 where they trained hard to be able to run harder than everyone else (seems like everyone else cottoned on hence them missing the 8 a year later) coupled with zones that are best broken by pace and a need for pressure when you don't have the football meant his pace became a big liability.

 

[go you pups]

So looking through the byes I've adjusted my team slightly in order to compensate



Basically all I've done is I've dumped 1 of Grundy/Goldy (whoever was the placeholder) and Swallow for Gaff and Ryder

Ryder will help massively come the R11 bye using Camerons DPP, however, the risk in having him with the R9 bye is that I will have to potentially upgrade Sandi + someone else before the byes, but my midfield and forwardline run deep so I reckon upgrading in the rucks early could work with all the confusion surrounding the rucks currently, it lets me see how Grundy, Goldy, Gawn, Stef etc play out for 6-8 weeks.

Swallow imo was never going to be a full season lock whereas Jaegarbomb may be a decent M8-9 if he can put up a 95-100 average which he's capable of if his knee holds up. If he's only around the 85-90 mark then I'll probably upgrade him when his bye comes. Another thing, you keep Ryder and Gaff for the full year, Grundy/Goldy you do but not Swallow, so I feel I may have saved a trade potentially there.

The other risk is will Roughy/Ryder average enough for F6? Every chance Roughy does however, based on his high possession output through the JLT so far, perhaps he plays a Nick Riewoldt type role further a field now.

Looking through the byes, looks like I'll have to be careful with the mids and forwards in ways

A majority of the relevant midfielders have R11 and 13 byes, but the R13 bye types is what I've mainly loaded up on so having DPP in the mids will probably be needed such as swinging a R11 forward in there come the R13 bye. Having Danger and Gaff in there with the R12 bye helps also, but I'd say I'll look at guys like Rocky, Bont, Hunter, Viney, JPK, Parker, Hanners, Steven etc off the R11 bye or Jelwood, Dusty and Priddis on the R12 bye to come in.

Absolute nightmare up forward in regards to round 11 forwards, basically everyone extremely relevant such as Dahl, NRoo, Macrae, Buddy, Heeney and Steele has R11 off except Roughy, Greene and Smith who are R13ers. Ryder will help in R11 however I feel. The main 4 ruck options in Gawn R11, Stef R11, Goldy R12 and Grundy R13 even themselves out as they're spread across the byes, worse case here is Gawn and Stef with the R11 bye become the best rucks, however, will see what happens there.

Defenders are pretty equal between a R11 and R13 split, no problems there, if a R12er like Tuohy or Houli looks like a top 10 defender then that helps later down the track in regards to bye planning though, but the split in R11ers in Doc, Simpson, Vince, JJ, Mills, Lloyd, Montagna to the R13ers in Shaw, Adams, Laird is ok I reckon, even with the weight favoured to R11ers at the moment, I feel there are more upgrade targets down back in R11 and 12 than in R13 who are more likely your set and forgeters.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

First go for the year.. Any advice would be helpful.

 

[CrozaN]

^what happens when Sandi goes down in round 1-3?

edit: comment meant for go you pups

 

[go you pups]

^what happens when Sandi goes down in round 1-3?

edit: comment meant for go you pups

Becomes Witts or Vardy

Same with Ryder, he becomes Nank, Witts or Vardy

Beams going down early may be a problem though

 

[Pea Nut]

So looking through the byes I've adjusted my team slightly in order to compensate

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Basically all I've done is I've dumped 1 of Grundy/Goldy (whoever was the placeholder) and Swallow for Gaff and Ryder

Ryder will help massively come the R11 bye using Camerons DPP, however, the risk in having him with the R9 bye is that I will have to potentially upgrade Sandi + someone else before the byes, but my midfield and forwardline run deep so I reckon upgrading in the rucks early could work with all the confusion surrounding the rucks currently, it lets me see how Grundy, Goldy, Gawn, Stef etc play out for 6-8 weeks.

Swallow imo was never going to be a full season lock whereas Jaegarbomb may be a decent M8-9 if he can put up a 95-100 average which he's capable of if his knee holds up. If he's only around the 85-90 mark then I'll probably upgrade him when his bye comes. Another thing, you keep Ryder and Gaff for the full year, Grundy/Goldy you do but not Swallow, so I feel I may have saved a trade potentially there.

The other risk is will Roughy/Ryder average enough for F6? Every chance Roughy does however, based on his high possession output through the JLT so far, perhaps he plays a Nick Riewoldt type role further a field now.

Looking through the byes, looks like I'll have to be careful with the mids and forwards in ways

A majority of the relevant midfielders have R11 and 13 byes, but the R13 bye types is what I've mainly loaded up on so having DPP in the mids will probably be needed such as swinging a R11 forward in there come the R13 bye. Having Danger and Gaff in there with the R12 bye helps also, but I'd say I'll look at guys like Rocky, Bont, Hunter, Viney, JPK, Parker, Hanners, Steven etc off the R11 bye or Jelwood, Dusty and Priddis on the R12 bye to come in.

Absolute nightmare up forward in regards to round 11 forwards, basically everyone extremely relevant such as Dahl, NRoo, Macrae, Buddy, Heeney and Steele has R11 off except Roughy, Greene and Smith who are R13ers. Ryder will help in R11 however I feel. The main 4 ruck options in Gawn R11, Stef R11, Goldy R12 and Grundy R13 even themselves out as they're spread across the byes, worse case here is Gawn and Stef with the R11 bye become the best rucks, however, will see what happens there.

Defenders are pretty equal between a R11 and R13 split, no problems there, if a R12er like Tuohy or Houli looks like a top 10 defender then that helps later down the track in regards to bye planning though, but the split in R11ers in Doc, Simpson, Vince, JJ, Mills, Lloyd, Montagna to the R13ers in Shaw, Adams, Laird is ok I reckon, even with the weight favoured to R11ers at the moment, I feel there are more upgrade targets down back in R11 and 12 than in R13 who are more likely your set and forgeters.

With a forward line that deep to start with, how do you manage to get Ryder into the forward line by round 9 ?? You can't be banking on Cameron playing, so you are basically guaranteed a donut in the ruck and only 21 on field scoring. Surely if going with Ryder he has to start in the forward line to offer ruck cover if required.

 

[CrozaN]

Becomes Witts or Vardy

Same with Ryder, he becomes Nank, Witts or Vardy

Beams going down early may be a problem though

So then you waste 2 trades because Witts or Vardy aren't keepers....and if they get dropped or go down you're stuffed lol.

 

[go you pups]

With a forward line that deep to start with, how do you manage to get Ryder into the forward line by round 9 ?? You can't be banking on Cameron playing, so you are basically guaranteed a donut in the ruck and only 21 on field scoring. Surely if going with Ryder he has to start in the forward line to offer ruck cover if required.

Ruck upgrades, already said I'll have 6-8 weeks to look at the best ruck options


Eddy will be done by then I'd imagine so move Ryder into Eddy's spot and insert a Grundy/Goldy/Gawn etc into the ruck

The forwardline is weak this year, so someone like Ryder or Roughy may score enough to be a F6, I'm a big fan of coverage anyway, so I feel more confident having a Ryder up forward or in the ruck than a Nankervis who hasn't played a full year of senior footy yet.


Imo Beams is the biggest early season gamble as there are not that many great cheaper options in midfield, but everyone is picking him anyway, so it will effect my rivals if he breaks down and not just myself. If he does breakdown then some DPP magic may come into play to find a replacement.

 

[go you pups]

So then you waste 2 trades because Witts or Vardy aren't keepers....and if they get dropped or go down you're stuffed lol.

That's only if Sandi breaks down though, when he was this price in 2014 he actually delivered and ended up as my R3 as Stef outscored him in the back half of that year. The no third man up rule surely guarantees Sandi 40-50 hitouts a game now, so he should average 75-80.

I'd start with Witts if he absolutely had rock solid job security then upgrade him in R8-9 as he's probably more durable than Sandi, but there's not much difference between him, Currie and Nicholls imo (not sure if Brooksby is still on their list too).

 

[CrozaN]

Rucks are fked this year, its all a lottery haha

 

[Pea Nut]

Rucks are fked this year, its all a lottery haha

Yep, there is downside to every relevant ruckman.

 

[Slipps]

Rucks are fked this year, its all a lottery haha

I agree thats why im happy to wait and see and in the mean time ive used money else where to upgrade other lines... So by the time we find out the better rucks hopefully i have made decent money on Sandi and Nank

 

[go you pups]

Rucks are fked this year, its all a lottery haha

Hence wait and see, yet capitalise elsewhere such as moneyball in the mids and forwards with Beams, Crouch, Gaff, JOM, Roughy and Steele. Even Smith may be underpriced on what he's capable of (averaged 94 and 96 in 2014-15)

 

[CrozaN]

I agree thats why im happy to wait and see and in the mean time ive used money else where to upgrade other lines... So by the time we find out the better rucks hopefully i have made decent money on Sandi and Nank

Yeah leaning towards same, but waiting to see who ruck solo out of Gawn/Ryder/Stef, R2 is locked between Sandi/Nank i recon.

 

[go you pups]

Yeah leaning towards same, but waiting to see who ruck solo out of Gawn/Ryder/Stef, R2 is locked between Sandi/Nank i recon.

Ryder will be Ryder and Trengrove, doubt Lobbe plays.

 

[CrozaN]

Ryder will be Ryder and Trengrove, doubt Lobbe plays.

Yeah, just hoping Stef rucks without Archie, easy pick then.

 

[Pea Nut]

Ryder will be Ryder and Trengrove, doubt Lobbe plays.

I doubt Lobbe plays either, but that is one hell of a contract to be playing SANFL.

 

[happy_eagle]

I won't be starting with two mid priced rucks
R1 is either between Gawn/Grundy/Martin (I think either of these 3 will be the top Ruck this year)
R2 is either Nankervis or Sandilands

 

[Benji85]

Why is everyone off rocky again? Is it just the choice between Danger/Rocky for the big C?

 

[Pea Nut]

Why is everyone off rocky again? Is it just the choice between Danger/Rocky for the big C?

Probably because of a few unknowns. New coach, new role, new Lions gameplan. I don't think everyone is off him though. Ownership is down to 20%, so it has dropped considerably.

 

[DaTBird187]

Why is everyone off rocky again? Is it just the choice between Danger/Rocky for the big C?

Not everyone.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Rucks are fked this year, its all a lottery haha

Disagree because there is a heap of value if you pick the right option..

I am banking on Ryder being the sole ruckmen at Port. If this happens he should avg 100+ .. If Sandi body holds up he could be good, Grundy might break out, Kruezar has had his best pre season, Jacobs & Goldie could return to 2015 form. Its more exciting rather than everyone just picking the same 2 locks.