Myles Krakourer allowed to be drafted this year.

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Shagga#6
GoldenHawk: I am interested in your opinion of Danny Jacobs. I don't watch Hawthorn a great deal, but had seen Jacobns at Essendon, and from a neutral supporters view point in looked like the Hawks got dudded by Essendon, pick 6 for Jacobs. How do you rate the trade?

Have been very unimpressed with Jacobs so far. His porkie pies regarding the drink-driving debacle certainly hasn't helped things.

He doesn't look fully fit to me - lacks intensity at the contest and overall has been pretty disappointing. Having said that, he reads the play very well, kept Neitz goalless and should become a good player in time - he is not the worst player we could have picked up.

But we got dudded on that deal - pick 6 would have gotten us Kane Tenace or Kepler Bradley. The problem was the club was so intent on its "window of opportunity" and the belief we were close to a flag Schwab was willing to mortgage our future at any costs.

In hindsight it was a terrible decision, we should have kept the draft picks and continue to build on our youth, not top up for a flag.

 

[Shagga#6]

Interesting to hear your thoughts.

It seems to me that Essendon seems to have a way of getting it s own way during trading.

DOn't get me wrong, I am not whinging about missing out on Rawlings, it would have been nice and we'd be oding better with him IMO but you've got to roll with the punches.

The Bombers seem to trade very well, very rarely do they get dudded it seems.

I can see it from Hawthorns perspective though, they really did feel they were in the zone to have a tilt at the flag. If not for the injury plaugue at Glenferrie, I think you guys could have given it a shake.

 

[Lidge]

To all the Shagga Grant knockers out there....while many are quick to label him soft there is only stat which you may not be aware of.

He's our leading tackler this season and the Kanga's only representative on the top 50 list of tacklers in 2004 across the AFL (ranked 45th).

Not a bad effort for a bloke as Moti describes as never been a pack nor in and under player.

 

[Moti]

Either is Corey Jones or Drew Petrie but they are in the list as well.

He has only 5 more tackles than Harro and he has been on the field twice as much. The more disappointing aspect is that Wells and Motlop are so low on the list.

I don't think Grant has been a consistent in and under player. He may have had some good matches in 2001 playing that role but Corey had one great season playing in the ruck but I don't see a lot of support coming his way lately.

Grant doesn't have the instinct for a pack player. Have a look at last weeks match, 3rd quarter against Leon Davis. He just stopped when there was a physical contest and Davis got the ball, Davis!

I am not putting him down by saying he isn't an in and under player, just stating a fact. I prefer him as a an outside runner that uses it well. He isn't doing that at the moment though.

He puts his body on the line at times, but so does most players. I certainly wouldn't put him in any list regarding the Roos toughest or strongest players.

 

[NeoBlaze]

Originally posted by Moti
Either is Corey Jones or Drew Petrie but they are in the list as well.

He has only 5 more tackles than Harro and he has been on the field twice as much. The more disappointing aspect is that Wells and Motlop are so low on the list.

I don't think Grant has been a consistent in and under player. He may have had some good matches in 2001 playing that role but Corey had one great season playing in the ruck but I don't see a lot of support coming his way lately.

Grant doesn't have the instinct for a pack player. Have a look at last weeks match, 3rd quarter against Leon Davis. He just stopped when there was a physical contest and Davis got the ball, Davis!

I am not putting him down by saying he isn't an in and under player, just stating a fact. I prefer him as a an outside runner that uses it well. He isn't doing that at the moment though.

He puts his body on the line at times, but so does most players. I certainly wouldn't put him in any list regarding the Roos toughest or strongest players.

i disagree, i think he's a very good in and under, for some reason when he's put in the guts of it he instantly becomes a battering ram for the ball and takes all the hits that he is "unable" to do as a outside player, same goes for his consistency which also improves. Don't ask me why, it's stupid, but it also makes sense to me, if played as an in-and-under it stops him being exposed for speed because he's always under packs, he's forced to be a hard ass otherwise he won't be able to do what he loves (ie getting the ball in his hands).

Also his direct opponent will be around him because they are more than likely to be an inandunder player too, so accountability (grants biggest weakpoint) is nullified because he'll be following the pill around as well. So if Grants opponent runs riot it just means Grant is playing crap and not getting his hands on the pill himself, rather than being 50m off his opponent looking for easy kicks.

His kicking is seen as an "aside" feature of his game rather than what his whole game is centered around and his one sidedness is not exposed because of the congestion etc. His fitness is very good so he runs around all day, makes sense to me, for mine he's also over-rated as a HFF, since when has he ever kicked a bag of goals? he might set up a few tho....hmmmmmmm

 

[rioli17]

Originally posted by NeoBlaze
i agree it would be bloody amusing, i don't really see it happening, but weirder things have happened. I see it happening with Richmond they will have a less high draft pick to get rid of.

Not necessarily and even if we were I 'd doubt we'd be tempted by a battler with ony a couple of seasons left ...in last couple of yrs we have picked up Johnson at 24yrs of age Brown at 25yrs ..how does you boy compare ...I'd seriously consider a fourth round pick at Base wages + match payments cause we're watching our cap...if that secures him than well and good

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I doinmt think young Krakouer at this stage is worth a 3rd round pick.
However, Smith is worth a first round pick so definitely worth a second round.
So if Krakouer is not a 3rd rounder you definitely win on the Smith one.

That kid should have waited another year.

You will now have to make a decision on family ties before real worth.

I also dont think he is what you guys need,. An outside player without endurance wouldnt be on the top in the 'need' priorities i reckon.

 

[desie]

Originally posted by rioli17
I'd seriously consider a fourth round pick at Base wages + match payments cause we're watching our cap...if that secures him than well and good

You'd seriously consider it would you? Mmmm let me think about that one for a minute, pick 50 odd in the draft for Shannon Grant.....

 

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by NorthBhoy
Is he quick?

Mate, have you forgotten who is old man is?

Yes he is quite quick, not Aaron Davey quick, but he goes all right. Pace isn't the problem though, fitness and endurance is.

I was very surprised by Big Nick's profile of him that says he was 178cm and 77kgs, I tell ya - it doesn't look like he weighs that much at all!

 

[Star]

Originally posted by The invisible mullet
Should take Smith and Krakouer under father and son. Noone says they will be a Shaw thing but...

Don't get caught in that Cloke and dagger crap

 

[Star]

Originally posted by Moti
I think the Roos shuld guarentee to pick him up next year under F-S. That is what Phil is after, a guarentee that his son will play AFL.

The club should focus on accomplishing an agreement prior to the draft to ensure the kid plays TAC next year and we draft him with a 3rd pick next year. Certainly raising the stregth of the club would be better suited by having the 2nd pick this year will help the right decision be made.

Otherwise, bugger him.

I agree with Moti, tell him not to nominate and pick him up next year with the round 3 pick with Jesse Smith going this year. It's not rocket science.

 

[Moti]

Regarding Grant, I am obviously missing large portions of the game and not seeing Grant go in and under. But hey, each to their own.

Lastly, his greatest asset is suposedly his disposal by foot. In close, a Daniel Harris, Spud or Grima would kill him for ability to use the ball in close. Lets stick to his strength. Since they tried to make him into a midfielder, he has become fitter but less skilled. Lets return to HF Grant.

 

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by StarBoy
I agree with Moti, tell him not to nominate and pick him up next year with the round 3 pick with Jesse Smith going this year. It's not rocket science.

If only it was so simple. You try convincing a 17 yr old and his old man that he should wait another year before being drafted.

 

[Star]

Actually, I blame the AFL.

You either have a cut off date or not.

What if he missed it my 9 days or 10 or 11 or 12???

Not sure who this rule change benefits.

 

[tashibatts]

Krakouer won't wait for next year, waiting a year was his problem.. it leaves him in limbo.. that is the reason he and his dad requested he be allowed into the draft.. and that is the reason we now face our little dilemma.

Surely, his fitness and body will develop better on our list then on some TAC list.. if we pick him up next year after he has been playing TAC, I will take a guess we will have to develop him just as much as if we do it this year..

The more I think about him in richmond colors, the more annoying it gets.

Go Roos

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by NorthBhoy

Croad went for 10. Jacobs for 6.

These two in particular show that a player's true ability or trade value can be somewhat skewed if one team is very desperate for a certain type of player. A team in severe need of a ruckman, key defender, CHF... whatever... will often pay over the odds to get a good serviceable player, especially if that one filled position gives them a tilt at the top four or a flag.

Don't know who we have that we could trade for a first-rounder, that we would actually be willing to give up. Talls like Hale and Petrie would be the most desirable, but they're off limits as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Darky]

Another thought...

Is it possible to trade a fringe player away fro a third round pick, and then use two third rounders to pick up both F/S selections? Or if not, pick up Myles with the later of the two 3rd round picks?

Or do we have to use our ladder-determined picks to pick up under the F/S rule?

 

[tashibatts]

Don't know on that Darky..

It is however possible, for us to trade for another 2nd round pick, then we can get JesseW with our original 2nd round pick, another player with the traded one.. and Myles with the 3rd round pick..

Go Roos

 

[tashibatts]

http://kangaroosfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=153170

Krakouer Poser for Kangaroos..



Go Roos

 

[Groucho]

Originally posted by year of the roo
If only it was so simple. You try convincing a 17 yr old and his old man that he should wait another year before being drafted.

Yes,particularly with a minimum contract and VFL match payments he would most likely earn $50k - $60k for the year.

 

[tashibatts]

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/03/1086203564658.html

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