Review NAB Cup Grand Final Review

[Bombers 2003]

Was played mainly as a forward last night and thus his impact on the game was limited. In the past, and when drafted; he's played in the midfield but Hird and co have rightly realised his size is not ideal at the centre bounce. Had a few good patches last night but with some ordinary supply into the forward 50, due to the pressure of Collingwood's midfield, he's impact on the match was always going to be limited. If he cannot get used to this primarily forward role, he could quickly find himself on the outer. I'm more worried though of the likes of Williams, Myers & Prismall TBH.

Colin D'Cops
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Not sporting that forced sig there Bombers?

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Colin D'Cops
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Cheers Bombers for the kind words. Wait wut?

 

[Yoda_]

You have to say he is moving a lot better this year so the slow and cumbersome does not come into it.

People can say what they want but in 4 or 5 games in the back end of last year he did really well in the middle getting 9 or 10 clearances despite the fact we had Bock rucking.

Look he is not there yet by any stretch of the imagination but he is still young and has only played 20 games and to date he has not been able to string a few games together to build his confidence.

I think the coaching staff is selling him up s*** creek for giving him his (what is it) third position change in 4 seasons at AFL level.

Yes, I am disappointed he has not come on, but I, along with many other Essendon supporters crave our first round draft picks to become better than average grade footballers, something the EFC has not done in a very long time, even Brent Stanton is not in the top echelon of AFL players despite being arguarbly our most succesful first round pick (pre 2009) since 2001.

And to suggest he is moving as well as ever, if he is, help us all now, he still looks slow and cumbersom (in my personal opinion), but each unto there own.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

To start off I thought the effort and application of the squad overall was very pleasing last night. We didn't stop chasing 'till the siren went and if that can continue into the season proper, we are a certainy to improve on the number of wins we had last year. With Davey & Pears out, plus when you add to that an underdone Hille & to a lesser extent Fletcher; we were without a doubt not at our optimum last night. Our focus was/is clearly round 1.

I will start with the positives and I thought Hibberd played very nicely, as did Hurley & Watson (as usual). Hibberd took a couple of super marks under pressure and his kicking is definitely better than a fair few in the squad at present. With Slattery out, he looks the player that has put his hand up to take that free spot in defence. Big tick. Hurley showed that he can handle the pressure and stand up when it counts, kicking 3 goals (not all easy either) and crashing a few packs. Big tick. Watson was in & under gathering 19 disposals, a little low by his standards but when forward of the centre he showed he can be dangerous; kicking 2 goals. Coming along nicely. Tick.

A few of the not so good players in the match were Jetta, Williams (when on) & Myers. Jetta played an outstanding match last week against the Sainters but last night was not one that he'd want to remember. Had 14 disposals, 11 of them handballs but the most disappointing stat was that he ended up totalling 57% efficiency. For an outside player that is simply not good enough. Williams when on, just didn't look all too comfortable out there and my predictions at the end of last season were on the money. He will find it difficult to make the best 21 based on his recent form and role in the team. Monfries I feel plays much the same role, and better. Myers got plenty of the ball, which was pleasing racking up 15 disposals but numerous crucial decision making errors, seemingly under no pressure; were embarrasing. It particularly hurt us as it was erros coming from the back half, so on the rebound Collingwood easily scored.

All up, a very good night with limited injuries. I noticed Hardingham was on the injury list with a groin problem, so hopefully he isn't on the sidelines for too long as he could very much put pressure on the running defenders in the team (Dempsey, Myers, possibly Hibberd). Bring on the premiership season!

Jetta at 57% = no good.

Hibberd 56% = good.

 

[Kong]

I think the coaching staff is selling him up s*** creek for giving him his (what is it) third position change in 4 seasons at AFL level.

Yes, I am disappointed he has not come on, but I, along with many other Essendon supporters crave our first round draft picks to become better than average grade footballers, something the EFC has not done in a very long time, even Brent Stanton is not in the top echelon of AFL players despite being arguarbly our most succesful first round pick (pre 2009) since 2001.

And to suggest he is moving as well as ever, if he is, help us all now, he still looks slow and cumbersom (in my personal opinion), but each unto there own.

So basically you're bitter because he's a top draft pick that isn't a superstar.

Sounds fair. While we're at it, Gus, Paddy, Gumby, Hurley, Melky, you can all sod off. Heppell you're on your last chance; dominate or be gone.

 

[Smokin]

overall fairly happy with that hitout. Collingwood wanted that game, and we showed strong resolve when on the scoreboard it could have blown out. We arent 'there' yet, nobody is kidding themselves of that.

To me, its not really about invidividuals at this stage. As a team, we won the contested possession count. Strangely, at half time I believe we were in front, or perhaps even on in the inside 50 count. We definitely had enough of the ball, but their defensive structures were too good and made our forward setup look second rate. We needed the bigger Hille body, and a bit more composure going forward which the 2nd half provided.

What is pleasing is that we have scored fairly well the past 2 games, against the best and 2nd best defensive structured team going around. All this with a team definitely in transition.

I know somebody who was fortunate enough to speak to Bomber T at a function in the past week. Definitely is under no illusions, but we are slowly getting there and the base we are working from is a lot better than it has looked in the past season. It will take multiple seasons to get this right, dont expect miracles this year. We we are trying to drill into the team, others do instinctively.

Footy may be at the point whereby structures, attitudes and planning both off and onfield are as, if not more important than the cattle at the disposal. Really, there isnt a massive amount of difference in the quality of kids picked up by each team over a 7-9 year period, which will setup a premiership team. Its how those individuals grow into a system post draft is really the key.

 

[EVERLAST]

Hooker really worries me.

We so badly miss Pears atm. He will be a huge loss this year.

I agree there, He's a 90s footballer playing in the wrong era.

Without the ball in his hands, he can't catch his opponent and there aren't many slow KP forwards these days in the modern game.

While his chasing is commendable, it's also comical given he makes no ground on his opponent despite all those facial contortions.

 

[Yoda_]

So basically you're bitter because he's a top draft pick that isn't a superstar.

Sounds fair. While we're at it, Gus, Paddy, Gumby, Hurley, Melky, you can all sod off. Heppell you're on your last chance; dominate or be gone.

Your reading far to much into it.

I am disappointed he has not come? yes, absolutely.

Look at our first round drafting of the past decade shall we? (pre 2009)

2001: Shane Harvey (11)
2002: Jason Laycock (11), Jason Winderlich (18)
2003: Keplar Bradley (6), Brent Stanton (13)
2004: Angus Monfries (14)
2005: Patrick Ryder (7)
2006: Scott Gumbleton (2), Leroy Jetta (17)
2007: David Myers (6)
2008: Michael Hurley (5)

Of our 11 first round draft picks, you could really only make a case for Brent Stanton to be/or near an elite player in the AFL.

Ryder continues to tease us, Monfries is a solid, if not uncompounding deffensive forward, Winderlich, see Ryder, whilst Hurley has shown in a number of his early games what impact he can have on them.

 

[Kong]

No, no, I've interpreted you exactly how you meant it; Myers is judged more harshly by myopic people such as yourself because he was a higher draft pick.

 

[Yoda_]

No, no, I've interpreted you exactly how you meant it; Myers is judged more harshly by myopic people such as yourself because he was a higher draft pick.

OK Whomb, lets put this on record shall we?

what do you see David Myers becoming?

 

[Kong]

If you want my answer, check it from the last time you asked me.

And you changing the topic doesnt undo your misguided criticism of a guy because of the draft pick he was selected at 4 years ago.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Jetta at 57% = no good.

Hibberd 56% = good.

Hibberd = 1st season-took nice marks and looked confident, few errors expected as hasn't played at the intensity before.
Jetta = 5th season-plenty of dodgy handballs and didn't look overly confident. Seem to float in and out of the game at an intensity he is used to.

BIG difference.

 

[ant555]

Small forward work? At 190 cm you mean what. I know you are an expert on the club. Just intrigued as to what you mean. I remember his goal against the bulldogs last year. Had a touch of class about it but it wasn't 'small forward work'.

If his body stands up and his head is in the right place, I reckon he can make it. Goodwin will give him advise about his lack of a right side.

On Friday night he was good playing the small forward role in the first half, chased hard, pressured the defenders and set up well.
Was not talking about the rest of his career but in saying that he has played the 4th or 5th forward role well in the past, he kicked 17 goals in 2009 and a lot of that was off half forward.

I know he is tallish but you could hardly call him a big forward or even a medium forward.

 

[ant555]

I think the coaching staff is selling him up s*** creek for giving him his (what is it) third position change in 4 seasons at AFL level.

Yes, I am disappointed he has not come on, but I, along with many other Essendon supporters crave our first round draft picks to become better than average grade footballers, something the EFC has not done in a very long time, even Brent Stanton is not in the top echelon of AFL players despite being arguarbly our most succesful first round pick (pre 2009) since 2001.

And to suggest he is moving as well as ever, if he is, help us all now, he still looks slow and cumbersom (in my personal opinion), but each unto there own.

If you think he is not moving better than last year then i suggest you get to a game and have a closer look, shit he has even lost some of his shuffle.

I think your "craving" for first round picks to be good reflects on how you rate him. The expectations where unrealistic from the star and a lot of it sounds like the arguments that used to surround Goddard in his first 3 years (not saying that he is in that leauge) or the talk Gibbs gets.

So what , for some reason or another during the early to late 2000's our first rounders let us down, big deal ! People need to start looking at drafts as a whole to start with. Secondly the last 3 first round picks are not looking too shabby.

We are moving in the right direction and people are still bitching about drafts from 4 seasons ago. If you want to bitch it was the drafts from 2000 to 2004 that have left us in the hole.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

On Friday night he was good playing the small forward role in the first half, chased hard, pressured the defenders and set up well.
Was not talking about the rest of his career but in saying that he has played the 4th or 5th forward role well in the past, he kicked 17 goals in 2009 and a lot of that was off half forward.

I know he is tallish but you could hardly call him a big forward or even a medium forward.

I didn't do the measuring but the data has him 2cm taller than Terry Daniher. DM 190cm TD 188cm

You sure he was a forward on Friday night early. On the TV I would have said he was defending. Perhaps a testament to what you are saying.

If he is coachable, I reckon he has the goods.

 

[Kong]

Sen, you're talking about Myers, aren't you?

Ant is talking about Winders

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Sen, you're talking about Myers, aren't you?

Ant is talking about Winders

Sometimes on an internet forum post 98 can run into post 99.

As you were ant and whomb.

 

[windyhill]

I loved the comeback, it was looking like a blowout at one stage and with the comeback I loved the crowd really getting behind the boys. I think we outnumbered the pies on Friday as well, if only marginally.

 

[lamaros]

I have no idea about some people. Really getting bored of some of the myopic abuse players cop on this forum. Bunch of idiots.

Jetta rubbish and Hibberd awesome based on one game, where Jetta was under the packs against the premiership midfield, and after his pre season to date. Ye gods.

Let alone the criticism of Stanton and myers.

Big footy: where it is better to be average in one of your first few games than it is to be twice as good, but not up to your usual standards.

 

[dave_27]

I loved the comeback, it was looking like a blowout at one stage and with the comeback I loved the crowd really getting behind the boys. I think we outnumbered the pies on Friday as well, if only marginally.

The noise when we came back in the 3rd quarter the whole ground was erupting. I had forgotten what that was like. We definitely had a few more fans.

 

[Nifft]

Look at our first round drafting of the past decade shall we? (pre 2009)

2001: Shane Harvey (11)
2002: Jason Laycock (11), Jason Winderlich (18)
2003: Keplar Bradley (6), Brent Stanton (13)
2004: Angus Monfries (14)
2005: Patrick Ryder (7)
2006: Scott Gumbleton (2), Leroy Jetta (17)
2007: David Myers (6)
2008: Michael Hurley (5)

Of our 11 first round draft picks, you could really only make a case for Brent Stanton to be/or near an elite player in the AFL.

Stanton is the least of our worries out of all the players you've listed. I'd pick him before Winders or Monfries. Not to mentioned others that didn't come on at all.

You should be pointing your vitriol at wasted picks Harvey, Laycock and Bradley.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

If Myers kicks a goal, does he get more points than Hooker?
If Hurley is tackled after a mark, does the umpire move him forward more than if it were Tyson Slattery?

No?

Then who gives a flying **** where he was picked? Everyone is equal once they're on the list, and anyone who argues that we "wasted" pick 6 on him is too ****ing stupid to own a computer.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

I have no idea about some people. Really getting bored of some of the myopic abuse players cop on this forum. Bunch of idiots.

Jetta rubbish and Hibberd awesome based on one game, where Jetta was under the packs against the premiership midfield, and after his pre season to date. Ye gods.

Under the packs hey? That would explain his massive 1 clearance. By the way it was a match report which = 1 match = 4 quarters.

I suggest you take a good look at yourself before running your mouth, and support your opinion with evidence. Good day.

...and anyone who argues that we "wasted" pick 6 on him is too ****ing stupid to own a computer.

Excuse my ignorance, who has stated we "wasted" pick 6 on him in this thread?

Let alone the criticism of Stanton and myers.

LOL sorry had to quote this.. You cannot understand one bit of criticism for Myers? Do you actually watch Essendon play?

 

[lamaros]

Under the packs hey? That would explain his massive 1 clearance. By the way it was a match report which = 1 match = 4 quarters.

I suggest you take a good look at yourself before running your mouth, and support your opinion with evidence. Good day.

Watch a game maybe?