Player Watch Nathan Kreuger (Delisted 2024)

[Kirby]

I disagree Cox lacks a ground ball game. Some of his tap-on's have been inspired.

One or two nice tap ons is a very limited ground game though.

The players do not kick to him if he’s outside 50 even if he’s one on one with a small bloke. The reason is that if the small bloke can create a contest and the ball hits the deck then Coxy is out of it.

They only kick it to him if he’s down the line in a pack as there’s crumbers around or if he’s closer to goal.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I reckon Krueger could be a bit of a “secret weapon” playing as the sub from Round 16 onwards

He can play almost anywhere on the ground at 196 and speed/agility like his

Playing only a quarter or two also means his match fitness doesn’t have to be super high and reduces his chances of hurting himself

 

[Mollythedolly]

One or two nice tap ons is a very limited ground game though.

The players do not kick to him if he’s outside 50 even if he’s one on one with a small bloke. The reason is that if the small bloke can create a contest and the ball hits the deck then Coxy is out of it.

They only kick it to him if he’s down the line in a pack as there’s crumbers around or if he’s closer to goal.

But he’s far more consistent than “one or two nice tap ons”, gets about 15% of his disposals off the deck on top of the other ground ball work he does. Under rated element of his game.

 

[domus]

The problem is that Cox has serious limitations that can get exposed heavily in finals-type games. You can't have too many players who are essentially dead-ends once the ball hits the ground. We are currently playing with two of these sorts in the team (Cox and AJ) and I don't think you can really afford that in finals, and that's where McStay and a fit Kreuger likely come into the picture.

I think our selection committee anticipated this problem a bit hence using Kreuger as a sub in the finals last year.

Cox is remarkably adept at ground level and it is an underrated aspect of his game.

 

[windchimes]

Cox is remarkably adept at ground level and it is an underrated aspect of his game.

I have never seen any actual evidence of this, as great as it’d be, but I do really rate Cox’s aerial presence and on field character.

 

[Kappa]

I reckon Krueger could be a bit of a “secret weapon” playing as the sub from Round 16 onwards

He can play almost anywhere on the ground at 196 and speed/agility like his

Playing only a quarter or two also means his match fitness doesn’t have to be super high and reduces his chances of hurting himself

He can play anywhere on the ground, except ruck, midfield and defence.

 

[sr36]

But he’s far more consistent than “one or two nice tap ons”, gets about 15% of his disposals off the deck on top of the other ground ball work he does. Under rated element of his game.

15% is really low. That's 8 or 9 marks to have a 10 possession game - it'd be at the very bottom of the league as a percentage. He's alright when he gets there, but he's so slow and the ground is so far away that he rarely gets there.

He's clunking his marks this year, so he's going well.

 

[domus]

I have never seen any actual evidence of this, as great as it’d be, but I do really rate Cox’s aerial presence and on field character.

I have seen him gathering ground balls, delivering deft handpasses and lovely tap ons for years. Just last year when we played Melbourne he gathered a ground ball under pressure and then executed a perfectly weighted hand pass over the top to Billy Elliott for a goal only a minute after his running goal brought the crowd to its feet.

Start around 4: 35 mark

 

[Finnishpie]

I reckon Krueger could be a bit of a “secret weapon” playing as the sub from Round 16 onwards

He can play almost anywhere on the ground at 196 and speed/agility like his

Playing only a quarter or two also means his match fitness doesn’t have to be super high and reduces his chances of hurting himself

I think a more flexible runner -- a tall flanker/winger -- is usually the best choice for a sub.

That's why Kelly was getting a game earlier. WHE is another. Markov. Etc.

 

[sr36]

I have seen him gathering ground balls, delivering deft handpasses and lovely tap ons for years. Just last year when we played Melbourne he gathered a ground ball under pressure and then executed a perfectly weighted hand pass over the top to Billy Elliott for a goal only a minute after his running goal brought the crowd to its feet.

Start around 4: 35 mark

His skills and awareness are good when he gets his hands on it, but with his height and pace you'd back anyone in the league to get their hands on it before him. He's just very rarely a factor at ground level.

 

[Mollythedolly]

15% is really low. That's 8 or 9 marks to have a 10 possession game - it'd be at the very bottom of the league as a percentage. He's alright when he gets there, but he's so slow and the ground is so far away that he rarely gets there.

He's clunking his marks this year, so he's going well.

Moore, by comparison goes at about 25%.

 

[sr36]

Moore, by comparison goes at about 25%.

So a fair bit higher without attending stoppages, where Coxy would get the vast majority of his ground balls. As a forward, Coxy rarely gets near it at ground level. I'm with windchimes - only one of Ash or Cox is ideal - because neither do much at all once the ball hits the ground - and it would be Cox for me. Ash is a good prospect, but it's the part of the game that Ash just has to get better at.

 

[Mollythedolly]

So a fair bit higher without attending stoppages, where Coxy would get the vast majority of his ground balls. As a forward, Coxy rarely gets near it at ground level. I'm with windchimes - only one of Ash or Cox is ideal - because neither do much at all once the ball hits the ground - and it would be Cox for me. Ash is a good prospect, but it's the part of the game that Ash just has to get better at.

Moore would get most of his after spoiling a marking contest or D50 stoppages I’d assume

My point about Cox was that 1-2 of his average 10 possessions a week are ground ball gets, and they’re not even the most noticeable element of his ground ball game relative to his knock ons and deft taps which don’t even register a tap. My point about Moore was that he’s shorter than Cox and far more athletic for a tall player yet he’s still only averaging about 25%.

 

[windchimes]

So a fair bit higher without attending stoppages, where Coxy would get the vast majority of his ground balls. As a forward, Coxy rarely gets near it at ground level. I'm with windchimes - only one of Ash or Cox is ideal - because neither do much at all once the ball hits the ground - and it would be Cox for me. Ash is a good prospect, but it's the part of the game that Ash just has to get better at.

Yeah- A couple moments occasionally such as a tap on or a ground pick up and handball unfortunately are not quite enough to cut it, I think.

I like both Ash and Cox- It should be only one of them in a 23, at most, I think.

 

[sr36]

My point about Cox was that 1-2 of his average 10 possessions a week are ground ball gets, and they’re not even the most noticeable element of his ground ball game relative to his knock ons and deft taps which don’t even register a tap. My point about Moore was that he’s shorter than Cox and far more athletic for a tall player yet he’s still only averaging about 25%.

But Moore plays a role where you get less ground balls. Its like comparing an inside mid tackle numbers to McCreery and saying look he only get a few less tackles than McCreery, thus he's a good tackler. Plus you're doing it using percentage of Cox's very low number of possessions, so its doubly inflated.

Playing a fair bit of ruck, your stats tell me that Cox picks it up off the ground once a game.i suspect thats well below average.

 

[sr36]

I like both Ash and Cox- It should be only one of them in a 23, at most, I think.

Yeah. If they were all fit and flying, I suspect it would be one ruck and McStay and Kreuger in. We'd lose things in certain areas, but we'd get a much better more consistent contest.

 

[domus]

Yeah. If they were all fit and flying, I suspect it would be one ruck and McStay and Kreuger in. We'd lose things in certain areas, but we'd get a much better more consistent contest.

No way. Two rucks is set in cement at the moment. It's all about structure. Why use a smaller non ruckmen when you have two proven big men who can both go forward?

 

[Mollythedolly]

But Moore plays a role where you get less ground balls. Its like comparing an inside mid tackle numbers to McCreery and saying look he only get a few less tackles than McCreery, thus he's a good tackler. Plus you're doing it using percentage of Cox's very low number of possessions, so its doubly inflated.

Playing a fair bit of ruck, your stats tell me that Cox picks it up off the ground once a game.i suspect thats well below average.

That's a bit of a stretch. Cox's limited time in the ruck hardly offsets his limited TOG% relative to Moore, or his time in F50.

As I've already said, Cox averages 10 possessions a game so his 15% equates to 2 GBG's every 3 games.

This discussion is going nowhere so I'll leave it there happy in my assessment.

 

[windchimes]

No way. Two rucks is set in cement at the moment. It's all about structure. Why use a smaller non ruckmen when you have two proven big men who can both go forward?

Read the last page of discussion.

 

[sr36]

No way. Two rucks is set in cement at the moment. It's all about structure. Why use a smaller non ruckmen when you have two proven big men who can both go forward?

It's not a change of structure to have a shorter tall in the same position in the structure.

It's a trade off - less hitouts and less dangerous in the air when our tall gets a clean jump at it - both our rucks are very good in that situation. But a better contest in all other situations and if we're talking Kreuger, more likely to hold separation on a lead.

Coaches probably won't go the way I'd go though. So your boys are probably safe.

 

[domus]

It's not a change of structure to have a shorter tall in the same position in the structure.

It's a trade off - less hitouts and less dangerous in the air when our tall gets a clean jump at it - both our rucks are very good in that situation. But a better contest in all other situations and if we're talking Kreuger, more likely to hold separation on a lead.

Coaches probably won't go the way I'd go though. So your boys are probably safe.

Why would you replace a proven goal kicker with a player who has struggled to touch the ball at senior level?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Why would you replace a proven goal kicker with a player who has struggled to touch the ball at senior level?

Darcy Cameron hasn’t kicked a goal this year.

 

[domus]

Darcy Cameron hasn’t kicked a goal this year.

You know he missed ten weeks and you also know he has kicked multiple goals in more than one game.

 

[gouki88]

Darcy Cameron hasn’t kicked a goal this year.

He's oddly gone from a reliable kick at goal to a shocker

 

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