NBA Draft system seems better.

[benno87]

The NBA draft system, the teams that dont make the top 16 playoffs go into a 'Draft Lottery' where the last team has 25% chance of winning first pick, the 2nd last 20% and so on. then the teams that did make the fianls simply go from 16th up to 1st.

I think the AFL NEEDS to adopt a system like this one, it will solve unfair draft selections, and stop low teams 'throwing' games late in the season that assures them picks. It will also stop clubs like Richmond and Hawthorn being 'stuck' inbetween 9th and 12th year after year, with the opporutnity to recieve 1st pick even at 9th.

I dont know what you guys think but, the system right now sucks, and I would like to see it changed!

 

[The Passenger]

Yea, this has been discussed around here quite a bit, and I really think it should be employed using the bottom 8 teams.

9th spot gets 1 ball
10th spot gets 2 balls
11th spot gets 3 balls
12th spot gets 4 balls
13th spot gets 5 balls
14th spot gets 6 balls
15th spot gets 7 balls
16th spot gets 8 balls

all 36 balls go into a barrell, and pulled out until the first 8 draft picks are decided in order.

after that, the draft is in the exact same order that it is today.

 

[RooMatera]

I clicked on this thread getting ready to yankee bash, but I actually like the sound of it.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Amazing how often one of the bigger clubs won the NBA lottery.

Far too dodgy for my liking.

 

[The Passenger]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Amazing how often one of the bigger clubs won the NBA lottery.

Far too dodgy for my liking.

I never actually thought of this, but if it was done in a barrell, at a media conference, then this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

 

[Portmanteau]

IMO, priority picks need to be forgotten, and that is all. A #1 pick can turn around a basketball team much more readily than a football team. Despite the lottery, there is still huge advantage to bomb out in the NBA when there is a good draft coming up (see this year's LeBron James sweepstakes for example).

The #1 and #2 (or say #2 and #4 etc.) picks in the AFL would obviously have a great impact, as opposed to one or the other (due to the proportion of numbers in basketball/football). An example of this is St Kilda. No Koschitzke, and we probably wouldn't be looking at them as much as a future dynasty. Big difference.

 

[Ausgard]

I think the problem is the AFL players association.

I think in the latest contract with the AFL they made a rule saying that there will not be any sort of lottery because it lessons the power of a player in trading terms. It means that they can't say "Hey you will pay me $500k a year and if you don't I will be going to Team X because they have the number one draft pick"

A lottery means that they could really be going anywhere depending on the pick and this gives them less power - and the AFL Players association doesn't want that.

Would this be a correct reading of the situation ?

 

[Portia]

Retain reverse order for the National Draft, remove `priority picks', introduce the lottery solely for the pre-season draft (as thats the only one where player re-entry gets screwed around with)

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by Ausgard
I think the problem is the AFL players association.

I think in the latest contract with the AFL they made a rule saying that there will not be any sort of lottery because it lessons the power of a player in trading terms. It means that they can't say "Hey you will pay me $500k a year and if you don't I will be going to Team X because they have the number one draft pick"

A lottery means that they could really be going anywhere depending on the pick and this gives them less power - and the AFL Players association doesn't want that.

Would this be a correct reading of the situation ?

How I would read into that is let's say, a mediocre team (possibly a good team having a bad year with form/injuries) wins the lottery, they can trade their pick for a ready-made gun, and could feasibly reload for a premiership tilt (let's say Richmond, Essendon picking up N. Brown et al)...

In the meantime, the teams who finished lower have marginally lesser prospects, so the mildly rich get richer whereas the poor get poorer, in terms of bargaining power.

 

[Steve76]

barrell

Even using a barrell in a public forum has problems, for years many people in the US speculated that the 86 draft was rigged when the NY Knicks somehow won the lottery despite it being done in public - the conspiracy theory was that the NBA commissioner was feeling for the envelope that had been in the freezer before - so he could easily know which envelope was the Knicks envelope becasue it would be the cold one......

 

[ScouseCat]

Originally posted by Porthos
Retain reverse order for the National Draft, remove `priority picks

Not to mention the father-son rule, which should work along the following lines...

First son = 3rd round draft pick (current)
Second son = 2nd round draft pick
Third son = 1st round draft pick

Does anyone know what is happening with this rule?? Last thing I heard was that Geelong and Collingwood were lobbying the AFL to change the rule in time for the draft at the end of this year.

 

[Mead]

A lot of people have suggested this before, and I thoroughly agree. In fact I don't think you'll find anyone against this idea (except possibly this years spooners)

You look at the perennial laughing stock that is St Kilda- sitting 12th on the ladder with 6 wins, and with a tough run home. If they finish bottom 4 or bottom 3, again there is simply no alibi for them.
So you have a side which has finished bottom two for the last three years- thats an awful lot of draft talent which has been handed to them on a plate.
Now how can you possibly justify guaranteeing such a team another highly placed pick just by virtue of their continuing crapness? Its not fair to the young players who have no choice but to spend their careers at a basket case club, and its not fair to the rest of the league, especially those clubs who aren't quite good enough to win the flag but try hard and be as good as they can be nevertheless.

The big problem with our current draft situation is that it penalises sides which overachieve with their available talent, and rewards mediocrity. The lottery system would at least reduce the certainty of this, and prevent teams throwing games to get to the draft picks.

 

[Chris_Judd]

At the risk of sounding like I am blowing my own trumpet.... which I am... http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66827&highlight=draft+lottery I suggested this back on the 2nd May. At the time I said that in the future there was going to be a big issue with teams "tanking" games to pick up draft picks... and surprise surprise on the 27th May the cat was let out of the bag... with Judgey saying he was told to throw games at Hawthorn.

The lottery is the only way to go because its brings in an element of luck.. there are no guarantees which is what we currently have in place. Teams will be less likely to lose games on purpose knowing that an extra win won't preclude them from getting the no 1 pick in the draft... but just lessen their odds. Its not black and white... and the clubs will measure up winning a game and increasing membership against decreasing their chances of the No 1 draft pick from 85% to 80%.

 

[hotpie]

I have said this before and it remains a simple solution.
No priority picks
Divide the ladder into four groups of four. Draw these mini groups out of a hat.

So last place has an equal chance for no 1 draft pick as fourth last. And top might get 16th pick or it might get 13th pick. Nobody will ever again be tempted to throw games. For example 9th spot miight get no5 draft pick whilst 16th spot might get number 4 pick - no advantage in tossing gemes there!!!

...and its simple.

 

[1jasonoz]

Don't they also pool all the profits from each club, then distribute them evenly back amongst all the clubs?

 

[jod23]

The NBA Draft is the best system in the world and the AFL would do themselves a favour by moving to this sort of system.

P&P - one of the bigger clubs?? Cleveland???

 

[you_idiot]

Originally posted by jod23
The NBA Draft is the best system in the world and the AFL would do themselves a favour by moving to this sort of system.

P&P - one of the bigger clubs?? Cleveland???

Or... the L.A. Clippers?

Having one team, such as the Clippers, winning the draft lottery and/or doing well enough in it year after year is no guarantee that instant success will follow.

Once again, it's all down to a club's management to pull the right strings and do so in an effective manner.

And as I'm also in agreement of the AFL adopting this draft system's theory (the wrinkles regarding the father-son rule and other nuances can be worked out later), I can speak from first-hand knowledge, having been a reared-in-America child of the 1970s and early '80s, that the NBA did indeed adopt the draft lottery to ensure that teams weren't tanking end-of-season games to obtain a high draft pick.

Question for the NBA afficionados on here: I could be wrong, but isn't that how the Boston Celtics landed the draft rights to Larry Bird? By tanking many of their late-season games in the 1978-79 season, IIRC?

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23

P&P - one of the bigger clubs?? Cleveland???

Didn't say the bigger clubs got it everytime, did i?

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by you_idiot

Question for the NBA afficionados on here: I could be wrong, but isn't that how the Boston Celtics landed the draft rights to Larry Bird? By tanking many of their late-season games in the 1978-79 season, IIRC?

Don't know if they tanked it, but they got Bird at pick 6, so the lottery didn't help them overly.

 

[you_idiot]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Don't know if they tanked it, but they got Bird at pick 6, so the lottery didn't help them overly.

OK, I thought that, historically speaking, the draft lottery came after that.

 

[Freo Hitman]

The best way to solve all this BS is to get rid pre draft picks & stop clubs trading there 1st draft picks. EASY !!!

Trust me you will see no manipulation of the rules

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Don't know if they tanked it, but they got Bird at pick 6, so the lottery didn't help them overly.

The lottery came in for the Patrick Ewing draft in 85-86 (?) becaused the NBA feared that teams would tank in order to land him. Previously, the clubs that came last in either conference would flip a coin to determine the #1 pick.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by benno87
The NBA draft system, the teams that dont make the top 16 playoffs go into a 'Draft Lottery' where the last team has 25% chance of winning first pick, the 2nd last 20% and so on. then the teams that did make the fianls simply go from 16th up to 1st.

I think the AFL NEEDS to adopt a system like this one, it will solve unfair draft selections, and stop low teams 'throwing' games late in the season that assures them picks. It will also stop clubs like Richmond and Hawthorn being 'stuck' inbetween 9th and 12th year after year, with the opporutnity to recieve 1st pick even at 9th.

I dont know what you guys think but, the system right now sucks, and I would like to see it changed!

Sounds like a great format, benno.

Hopefully it would be supplemented by also removing priority picks, which punish the competitive 6 - 11 wins-a-season teams far too much.

For instance, a team can miss the finals by percentage this year and might not get even get a Top 10 pick.

 

[you_idiot]

Originally posted by Guey_34
The lottery came in for the Patrick Ewing draft in 85-86 (?) becaused the NBA feared that teams would tank in order to land him. Previously, the clubs that came last in either conference would flip a coin to determine the #1 pick.

Ah, that's right. Thanks for that, Guey-- that clears out my foggy memory.

All I remember of the first draft lottery draw with all the ping-pong balls was Celtics president Red Auerbach mockingly fumbling the ping-pong balls around, to have a laugh at the new system.

I think it can work here, certainly.

Now how would we do it here, to determine draft order solely, with priority picks given to the 15th- and 16th-place teams automatically? Or do we do away with the priority picks altogether?

 

[mattyc2422]

The NBA draft brought me David Robinson. I'm happy.