Need for a lower league

[Kreuzerlenko]

Now first of all this isn't a thread wanting to conform to the standards of other sports/leagues out there, its simply an opinion which I believe would be shared by many. Whether or not a thread on this has been made already is irrelevant, I haven't seen it therefore it doesn't exist

Anyway, in the Premier league, the bottom 2 teams get sent to a lower league and the top 2 teams of that league get promoted to the Premier league. This is how it should work. What incentive do teams in the AFL have for not finishing bottom 2? Oh wait, priority picks and top draft picks? No, doesn't sound right.

It trivialises the whole contest and gives teams an excuse for poor performance. IT ISN'T SPORT!

 

[dajesmac]

I always wanted this until about a year ago. IMO the Australian public has such a short attention span that they would lose interest, especially if their team got relegated. We also don't have a big enough population to sustain more teams.

 

[Jatz]

na unnecessary.
and what happens when a big club goes down?
like richmond this year or carlton in previous years.
just not worth it

 

[AG]

Talent pool is too shallow for another league.

 

[legend166]

Would destroy the clubs that get relegated.

 

[Butane]

Company's wouldn't throw as much money at teams when they are relegated to the 'second' league simply because they aren't playing for the grand prize and players would leave etc. Even the TV rights would drop because the team playing in the second division wouldn't have as many viewers.

 

[SM]

A) Three clubs get promoted.
B) The irony of a Carlton fan ridiculing the PP system.

 

[OniAu]

id rather expand lists if anything and have a national reserves comp, i remember they may have had something like that a fair few years ago.

 

[Kreuzerlenko]

na unnecessary.
and what happens when a big club goes down?
like richmond this year or carlton in previous years.
just not worth it

Don't you think it'd be worth a trial run to test the populations interest in their own local leagues? Could be good for community involvement etc.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Could work with two 9 team divi's, but agree with butane. Divi 2 teams would be poor.

 

[SM]

The way it'd need to be done, watch this A-League as well: get rid of the salary cap.

By doing that, you have consistent top performers in the like of Collingwood, Carlton, West Coast and probably Adelaide.

You have them as top performers for twenty plus years, then you introduce relegation. Supporters would keep watching their relegated team in the hope they would get promoted and be able to play against these legendary top teams.

Of course, unlike the EPL there's no motivation for coming anywhere from 2-8th, which is a problem for AFL.

 

[Kreuzerlenko]

A) Three clubs get promoted.
B) The irony of a Carlton fan ridiculing the PP system.

A) My mistake

B) I'm not ridiculing it, maybe just stating that it needs some alterations. In no way should a club be rewarded for such poor performance. And yes, I'm aware of Carltons crapness this decade, and my statement still stands.

 

[Neville Bartos]

Can you imagine an AFL with North Ballarat, Central Districts and Perth, but no Melbourne, Richmond or Fremantle?


STUPIDEST IDEA EVER!

Tanking is a minor problem in the AFL. Only 1 team has won a flag after finishing botoom in the last 15 years.

If they want to punish the team that finishes bottom, force them to wear a wooden spoon on their jumper for a year

 

[Spluff]

Wouldn't work. That system is designed to work for the EPL which is incredibly unbalanced, and completely different to the AFL.

It would render the draft system useless as we'd have to allow clubs from division 2 sides to enter the draft, which would a) thin out an already thinly stretched talent pool, resulting in a horrible spectacle, and b) gift good players to teams that will never make the top league.

It would also destroy clubs - if clubs had been kicked out of the top league for finishing last, Carlton wouldn't exist anymore. Periods of poor performance can already cause huge financial problems for clubs - imagine if suddenly the club was not even in the AFL anymore? It would just compound the issue, causing the club to eventually run out of money which in turn affects their on field performance.

With the inevitable rise of free agency, the talent would start to stack towards the top league as players would want to play in the top league of the country, therefore leaving their teams for the better teams above them, once again, making the bad teams worse and the good teams better.

It's a pretty shocking idea, really, unless you want to turn the AFL into an unbalanced pile of crap like the EPL, where there are only a few competitive teams and everybody else is just making up the numbers.

 

[omit]

how does having two leagues work with a draft

do relegated teams still participate in the draft, do all teams in all leagues participate or only teams in the top league

why would a kid enter the draft if he may never even play in the top league and earn his potential?

would the draft be scrapped all together and we go back to zones or adopt free agency

 

[NQTIGER]

It was called the VFA and we all know how that turned out

 

[Kreuzerlenko]

It was called the VFA and we all know how that turned out

Not all of us. Surely with the expansion of the AFL there has to be some control over draft picks/concessions/teams not performing to standard. We can't keep introducing teams while at the same time trying to keep it fair by giving away draft picks. What about the existing teams who are struggling already? Surely giving teams who aren't coping at AFL level a stint at a lower league would give them a chance to play in an equal competition and furhter their hunger to join the AFL? it seems that being part of the AFL these days is taken for granted and clubs don't appreciate truly how priveleged they are.

 

[ziad]

Would destroy the clubs that get relegated.

isnt that the point - punish the failures and promote the successful

 

[Jonno_]

I thought this was a good idea for about 2 years. Now I think it is silly.

Say Collingwood gets relegated. As committed as Collingwood fans are (or profess to be), how many fans would go to Collingwood v North Ballarat, or Collingwood v Claremont. How would it be televised?

They would lose so much money from tickets and TV rights that they would financially crippled. Big name players would not want to go play League 2. Have you ever followed a relegation team? They very very rarely get immediatley promoted. The exception would be teams like Collingwood, Newcastle etc.

If North Melbourne got relegated, the future would look dim. (not a slight at North Melbourne).

The only thing I think we should take from the European football is the idea of youth academies... I think it is stupid that we have no such system, coupled with transfers (capped).

 

[emuboy]

Promotion/Relegation wouldn't work, but it would be good to see an Eastern Seaboard Football League acting as a feeder & reserves competiton for the clubs in these states. For example:

1. Sandringham Zebras
2. Williamstown Seagulls
3. Coburg Tigers
4. Northern Bullants
5. Box Hill Hawks
6. Casey Scorpions
7. Frankston Dolphins
8. Port Melbourne Borough
9. Werribee Tigers
10. Geelong Cats
11. North Ballarat Roosters
12. Bendigo
13. Gippsland
14. Murray
15. Tasmania
16. Sydney Swans
17. West Sydney
18. Canberra
19. Brisbane Lions
20. Gold Coast
21. North Queensland
22. Northern Territory

And it would be even, with every team playing each other once.

 

[GoOsH]

the cost of sending div 2 teams across australia to play each other in front of a handful of people would be pretty prohibitive, the population and size of european countries make it possible (most lower div teams just take a coach to away games for example), the same wouldn't be possible in Australia IMO.

 

[Rob]

how does having two leagues work with a draft

do relegated teams still participate in the draft, do all teams in all leagues participate or only teams in the top league

why would a kid enter the draft if he may never even play in the top league and earn his potential?

would the draft be scrapped all together and we go back to zones or adopt free agency

Exactly the problem.

With a salary cap, promotion and relegation is difficult to implement.

With a draft, it's deadset impossible.

 

[snrub]

People reference the EPL as though that system actually works. Promotion/relegation runs like a yo-yo, clubs need to outspend their own means just to stay up in the top division, and I can't remember the last time a team got promoted and then eventually challenged for the premiership.

 

[greennick]

Now first of all this isn't a thread wanting to conform to the standards of other sports/leagues out there, its simply an opinion which I believe would be shared by many. Whether or not a thread on this has been made already is irrelevant, I haven't seen it therefore it doesn't exist

Anyway, in the Premier league, the bottom 2 teams get sent to a lower league and the top 2 teams of that league get promoted to the Premier league. This is how it should work. What incentive do teams in the AFL have for not finishing bottom 2? Oh wait, priority picks and top draft picks? No, doesn't sound right.

It trivialises the whole contest and gives teams an excuse for poor performance. IT ISN'T SPORT!

If you had have searched for a previous thread it would have stopped you looking like an idiot.

There is no way this would be good for the AFL. It would be good for a few top teams, but not the competition as a whole. How would the draft work with another league (which is not in the EPL)? Would there be no salary cap like in the EPL? How would teams be able to afford being in the bottom when they lose all their sponsorship and members? How would that work with all their long term commitments? What about players that want to move to the top league? How will you manage player movement? And so on...

 

[Monkey King]

how does having two leagues work with a draft

do relegated teams still participate in the draft, do all teams in all leagues participate or only teams in the top league

why would a kid enter the draft if he may never even play in the top league and earn his potential?

would the draft be scrapped all together and we go back to zones or adopt free agency

Yes... a massive issue along with player trading and the PSD. Gives bottom clubs little chance of rebuilding. Also stupid considering AFL listed players would be completing in the lower comps as well.

Would piss off sponsors if they were locked into a deal for three years and a club was struck with injury - ala Collingwood 2005 - and then dropped to a league with little exposure.

Salary cap issues as well. Obligated to pay fixed player contracts while not being able to generate appropriate revenues. There is no point to it... just a terrible idea that is bad for the whole league in so many ways.