News New jumpers for 2013

[El_Scorcho]

But soccer doesn't. You've just got your home kit, then an away one , then a third (if required) to prevent all possible clashes.

Personally, I'd prefer if the AFL operated like the NFL (forgetting for a moment, that every team has a white jersey). Home team decides what they want to wear; away team wears appropriate uniform to create a distinction. The good thing about that is that teams like Fremantle could introduce a bit of gamesmanship to it, by wearing their white guernsey at home on hot days and making the opposition wear black/navy blue, when they would probably already be having issues acclimatising to the heat.

Yeah this is actually a really good idea.

iirc the Dolphins and Cowboys wear white at home until the dead of winter because they believe it gives them the advantage of keeping cooler.

 

[West_Coast_Eagles]

That red i dont mind. It brightens up there jumper a bit

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I remember the Doggies wore their (then-new) white clash jumper in a Friday night home game, presumably to let the whole world see it and encourage them to go buy it.

Yeah, the Eagles have done a similar thing in the past. I guess the query is, would the Bulldogs say "We're wearing this on Friday night" and the AFL respond "Righto" and advise the other team, or would the Bulldogs say "Can we wear this on Friday night?"

Seems like it could be used to great advantage, particularly for the WA teams, if they were able to force their interstate opposition to wear dark traditional colours, when the temperature at the ground is probably already about 10 degrees hotter than what their opponents would be used to training and playing in.

 

[TheDoctor11]

Added Bowakawa's list of changes to the OP.

 

[Noctorniquet]

Because of the way Red dye reacts with the different fibres and the reflection of light from them, Wool is one colour, Acrylic is another.
When footy jumpers changed from wool to acrylic in the 1970s, the red would have appeared Lighter.
Then, when printed jumpers came in, Melbourne had them made in the Pantone shade red that was their official AFL colour (PMS186). This was 1996 for Melbourne.
When they released their new logo, they decided to change these colours and went with a darker Red, supposedly more in line with the way Red appeared in their glory era of wool jumpers in the 1950s. Similarly, the computer monitors and Paper also reflect light differently and therefore the red they've chosen for monitors and printed matter may not be the best shade of red for jumpers.
So they now use PMS 193 on their logo, however when they had their most recent jumpers made, for some reason the Red takes on a Pink hue in certain light.
So now they've either done something to the material, or changed the dye, but it looks a lighter red than the official club colour in the logo.


Mero's interesting fact. Red dye is made of squashed Cochineal bugs.
And when the British first colonised Australia they bought Prickly Pear cactus with them because that's where Cochineal bugs live, so they could make British Army coats which were Red.
Other substances have been tried, but the only thing to give true Red colours is the acid in the bugs.

Interesting reading mero thanks. Sydney have appeared to keep their red almost exactly the same over the years. to the naked eye at least, through material changes and manufacturer changes. Is there something inherently different about melbourne's blend that light reflects differently off it and certain materials?

 

[Clint Bizkit]

I liked the deeper red, to be honest.

It was good in theory but ended up looking either maroon or pink.

 

[hitthepost]

Yeah, the Eagles have done a similar thing in the past. I guess the query is, would the Bulldogs say "We're wearing this on Friday night" and the AFL respond "Righto" and advise the other team, or would the Bulldogs say "Can we wear this on Friday night?"

I think the teams have to make a submission to the AFL
The AFL then approves (or not) the proposed guernsey. If this is a home team, they then advise the away team that they'll have to avoid clashing with the different kit (assuming a colour change)
If it's the away team wanting to change, the change is contingent on it not creating a clash with the home team unless they have been convinced to change too.

Example 1:
Geelong v Carlton - normal matchup is Geelong in all white, Carlton in all navy
But Geelong wants to advertise their new all-navy cats-face guernsey in a MCG home game to recognise their new charity work with the RSPCA Cats' Shelter.
AFL says OK and lets Carlton know that they'll have to pull out their white/baby-blue/pink/yellow/orange/not-navy clash kit.

Example 2:
Same as 1 except it's a Carlton home game.
AFL says no because it would cause a clash. Geelong say they have negotiated with Carlton and they are happy to wear a clash kit that match because they are touched by Geelong's compassionate nature and want to help. So the AFL says OK.

But this would have to be done so far in advance that unless someone at Freo/the Eagles are majorly psychic, any switch to a clash top for a game on a hot day wouldn't be possible.

 

[Silent Alarm]

But soccer doesn't. You've just got your home kit, then an away one , then a third (if required) to prevent all possible clashes.

Personally, I'd prefer if the AFL operated like the NFL (forgetting for a moment, that every team has a white jersey). Home team decides what they want to wear; away team wears appropriate uniform to create a distinction. The good thing about that is that teams like Fremantle could introduce a bit of gamesmanship to it, by wearing their white guernsey at home on hot days and making the opposition wear black/navy blue, when they would probably already be having issues acclimatising to the heat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't gamesmanship the same as sportsmanship? As in, doing the right thing and being a respectful competitor? I'd say allowing a white shorts v Essendon (if it were our choice) would be sporting, as we were sacrificing something for another's good. But giving ourselves an advantage, whilst purposefully harming someone outside of the immediate laws of the game, isn't sportsmanlike at all.

 

[TheDoctor11]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't gamesmanship the same as sportsmanship? As in, doing the right thing and being a respectful competitor? I'd say allowing a white shorts v Essendon (if it were our choice) would be sporting, as we were sacrificing something for another's good. But giving ourselves an advantage, whilst purposefully harming someone outside of the immediate laws of the game, isn't sportsmanlike at all.

No, MC Extra Dollop has the correct definition. From the Oxford Dictionary:

Definition of gamesmanship
noun
[mass noun]
the art of winning games by using various ploys and tactics to gain a psychological advantage:
the negotiations were primarily exercises in propaganda and gamesmanship

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gamesmanship

 

[Hawthorn23]

Came today:

NM Design

Is the Cotchin thing going to be on it for every game?

 

[Greater Gattsby]

Is the Cotchin thing going to be on it for every game?

It's just a supporters memorabilia sort of thing. I doubt it will be worn in games.

 

[Hawthorn23]

It's just a supporters memorabilia sort of thing. I doubt it will be worn in games.

Yeh, otherwise it would have been a pretty stupid decision

 

[Greater Gattsby]

Yeh, otherwise it would have been a pretty stupid decision

Yeah. It would be like Essendon wearing their "heritage" guernsey with Jobe Watson's signature on the front instead of John Coleman.

 

[Groupie_]

Is the Cotchin thing going to be on it for every game?

What NM Design said

 

[justlookingaround]

Yeah, stuff like that isn't acceptable, or at least until Gold Coast's club champion award is officially known as the Gary Ablett Jr Appreciation night.

 

[BomberWatson]

I remember the Doggies wore their (then-new) white clash jumper in a Friday night home game, presumably to let the whole world see it and encourage them to go buy it.

Actually, now that you mention it, I remember your team doing the same thing in 2010. It was the first year that you guys introduced the white clash, and you were playing in a Friday night home game against us where you wore it.

 

[THEHIGHFLYINGHAWKER]

how many times has melbourne's red changed over the years, surely there is a specific RGB mix they have to match their logo. how hard can it be to apply that same red across their jumpers over the years.

Rgb is purely for screen. Cmyk is for print

 

[E92_]

Actually, now that you mention it, I remember your team doing the same thing in 2010. It was the first year that you guys introduced the white clash, and you were playing in a Friday night home game against us where you wore it.

I'm pretty sure that was before Essendon had a "clash" jumper, so even though it was our home game we had to avoid the clash.

 

[hitthepost]

I'm pretty sure that was before Essendon had a "clash" jumper, so even though it was our home game we had to avoid the clash.

Probably 6 of one half a dozen of the other.

 

[BomberWatson]

I'm pretty sure that was before Essendon had a "clash" jumper, so even though it was our home game we had to avoid the clash.

You wore your tri-panel guernsey the year after in the same fixture. It would have been for the reason I stated, as your tri-panel guernsey doesn't clash with our guernsey in the slightest.

 

[xXJawsaXx]

Actually, now that you mention it, I remember your team doing the same thing in 2010. It was the first year that you guys introduced the white clash, and you were playing in a Friday night home game against us where you wore it.

Wasn't that a pre-season game?

 

[Mero]

Interesting reading mero thanks. Sydney have appeared to keep their red almost exactly the same over the years. to the naked eye at least, through material changes and manufacturer changes. Is there something inherently different about melbourne's blend that light reflects differently off it and certain materials?

Sydney have had Puma and ISC as their apparel manufacturers since sponsors came in.
Melbourne has had Canterbury, Fila, Asics, Reebok & New Balance in that time.
There may have been some difference between Puma and ISC, I never picked it, but the rest of the jumpers were probably all made on the same machines. ie all the Puma ones and all the ISC ones.
With Melbourne, having more manufacturers, each with their own slight changes to material would add to the chances of it looking different. In 2000 especially the material was very shiny.

 

[COHL]

There was a picture in yesterday's Herald Sun (Melbourne newspaper) with an article about Dale Morris and his leg with a picture of Morris and four players in the background posing for something. The jumper they were wearing looks the same as 2012. It was probably a 2012 picture but just letting you guys know just in case.

 

[Hank93]

There was a picture in yesterday's Herald Sun (Melbourne newspaper) with an article about Dale Morris and his leg with a picture of Morris and four players in the background posing for something. The jumper they were wearing looks the same as 2012. It was probably a 2012 picture but just letting you guys know just in case.

Absolutely no chance it will change. Richmond are going with the same template, as are Brisbane and the Bulldogs will do the same.

Their whole marketing image now is the red and white hoops, so any change that may occur will be from the manufacture. I'm not sure when their KooGa contract expires though.

 

[Groupie_]

Absolutely no chance it will change. Richmond are going with the same template, as are Brisbane and the Bulldogs will do the same.

Their whole marketing image now is the red and white hoops, so any change that may occur will be from the manufacture. I'm not sure when their KooGa contract expires though.

Pretty sure ours was 4 years beginning 2011 so we'll be with them till at least the end of 2014.