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next brisbane coach (after voss)
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Actually this is turning into a real flogging. Neil Craig may draw some fire.
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Maybe in the Adelaide press.
Voss will (rightly) be the one in the gun everywhere else.
Voss will (rightly) be the one in the gun everywhere else.
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Maybe in Queensland ....The Vic press expected us to be stone motherless last..especially without Brown & Staker..The focus will be on Eade and the underperforming Dogs.
Are you unwilling to discuss the topic for what it actually is? Or are you only going to draw parallels to other unrelated situations just to carry on with your rhetoric manner of interacting with others on this board?
For what it's worth, one could provide examples of times when coaches have been given too long to the detriment of their club. Or situations when a coach has been sacked and then the new coach has gone on to turn things around.
We could spend all week comparing the current situation at the Lions to situations that have occurred in the past, and hypothesising that because M.Thompson stayed on at the Cats that Voss should also, or that because R.Shaw got the sack at Adelaide that Voss should also. However, this completely misses the point of looking at the actual situation of how the Lions are going at this point in time.
So, perhaps instead of trying to be clever with rhetoric, Weevil, maybe you actually have some opinions on how the Lions are actually going at this point in time that you'd like to share with us?
I tend to agree with Stocka on this one. I considered bringing up Thompson in my earlier posts but decided that those situations were different to what the Lions face at the moment. Yes, it's an example of what persistence can do for you but you have to view Voss uniquely from other cases.
This makes no sense. Rich, Redden, Rockliffe and banfield have developed extremely well under Voss, and haven't even been coached by anyone else. To say they are stagnating under Voss is a bit harsh. I think the one thing Voss has been good at over his 3 years is developing the young players that have been recruited under him. Other players such as Clark, Hanley, Merret and Leunberger have also improved immensely.
From what i can tell Voss's short comings as a coach are his Match day tactics which i feel will be improved with time and hopefully a hihgly regarded assistant under him.
The trading at the end of 09 has turned out to be a miscalculation of out list, but i dont think he deserves to be judged solely on that one week period. Lets not forget he managed to get out list into the finals in his first year as coach. Last year was a disaster with injuries, and i think we have been competitive this year. While that usually wouldn't be acceptable, having a rebuilding and yound team with no A grade stars continually putting themselves in winning positions is just a pass for me at this point of the season.
Did in the other thread.
I came in on the end of a segment this morning on SEN, and got the impression they had been comparing Voss and Hird.....what I heard was them saying that Voss hasn't had a premiership coach as his assistant and offering advice over the shoulder like Hird has..
..that its been a lot tougher for Voss than for Hird..
Quite frankly I'm staggered at the reaction, e.g. embarrassment etc from some people over this loss..
We all knew its going to be a tough year, so whats changed?
We haven't been flogged week in week out..
Perhaps in the cold light of day, some of you really did expect way too much too soon from the re-build...
I'm quite happy to sit back and wait for Voss and the players to get it all together, which they will do, in time......but good god, we are only into our 6th game for the season...
So we lost to the SUNS, big deal!.....by 8pts!!......its a footy game only, not the end of the world..
Yes, I get frustrated, can't watch, come back, then close my eyes, yell at the t.v. etc just like anyone else...
...but next day, the sun has risen, I'm alive, and its another day..
Leave Voss where he is, and back him to bring our kids around..
..that its been a lot tougher for Voss than for Hird..
Quite frankly I'm staggered at the reaction, e.g. embarrassment etc from some people over this loss..
We all knew its going to be a tough year, so whats changed?
We haven't been flogged week in week out..
Perhaps in the cold light of day, some of you really did expect way too much too soon from the re-build...
I'm quite happy to sit back and wait for Voss and the players to get it all together, which they will do, in time......but good god, we are only into our 6th game for the season...
So we lost to the SUNS, big deal!.....by 8pts!!......its a footy game only, not the end of the world..
Yes, I get frustrated, can't watch, come back, then close my eyes, yell at the t.v. etc just like anyone else...
...but next day, the sun has risen, I'm alive, and its another day..
Leave Voss where he is, and back him to bring our kids around..
Every situation is different. Like I said in the other thread. Generally speaking if the players are routinely not having a dip then it's time for a coach to go. We are not in that situation.
So what's the point in bringing the Thompson situation up?
PS: Big
to MacMum's post. I love a good debate about footy but some people need to get a grip on reality.
Yes, I noticed that you have recently changed your posting methodology.
Every situation is slightly different. That in itself is not a reason ignore the similarities.
Granted, there can be past examples used as precedence but the only similarity between the two is that both teams were/are doing poorly. That doesn't mean the final outcome will be the same. Besides it's a point that tends to send arguments around in circles.
No it doesn’t mean that the outcome will be the same. But amongst all the cries of the ‘sky is falling’ it is important to remember that even in the blackest of times teams can turn things around very quickly.
We were utterly humiliated by Carlton a couple of weeks before our ‘if it bleeds we can kill it’ game and had way under-delivered in the years previous.
I'm not saying that sort of thing will happen now, just that things are often not as bad as they seem directly after a bad loss.
Still doesn't make up for the fact that Voss has failed on a number of occasions at the selection table and is a very poor game day coach.
I don't see the point in making any change or reviewing the coaching situation until season's end, but you can't continue to make such elementary mistakes such as leaving Brennan unaccounted for all game, playing one of the best backmen in the league forward etc and many other poor decisions in other games and at the trade table that has been detrimental to the club and cost the team.
Just to make myself clear, I'm "for" keeping Voss until the end of the year (unless things go bad). It's just that I think it's a pointless argument that tends to send a discussion around in circles.
I don't recall, save to say that I have never been satisfied with the appointment of Voss nor rated him as a coach including 2009. He has done himself and the club a disservice for accepting the job without the necessary qualifications and continues to be exposed on a weekly basis.
Merely trying to add perspective to ‘the sky is falling’ arguments.
The arguments are ultimately circular: the stories are not finished, we don't actually know the answers yet.
I thought we would probably lose last night. Pessimist maybe but just seemed to feel true. Stage fright. Performance anxiety. Pressure cooked. Will probably now surprise everyone in AFL land and beat the bombers. Then the fairweathers will think Voss is a genious. For what it's worth I think our list is promising. Few duds. Few slackers but much more effort and intensity than the youngsters of 05-06. Some natural footy heads. Not seeming to see as many clangers as last year (I could be wrong.. Not a big stats guy)
Loving the effort. As others have said, the players seem to really be trying hard for Voss. Hope the fighting spirit doesnt get knocked out of them. We all know they're young and inexperienced. So too are the Suns and they are going to be a very frightening prospect in coming years. So to will the Lions. What goes down must come up. We have a winning culture and we're being mentored by a champion who knows how to win. Once our captain gets back the Lions will roar. Browny is more to our team at the moment than a leading goal kicker. He's the spirit. When he moves on eventually someone else will step up.
Everone is worried 'bout what happens when Black and Power etc move on relax. Our players are getting games into them: we have the likes of Rich, Rocky, Banfield etc.
Our team has a LOT of potential. Voss is the man to help them find and develop that potential. He stays.
Hopefully success comes sooner than later. I'd rather be in our position TBH than St Kilda. I doubt they will contend this year n they still will need to go through some hard hard years before they get another crack. I feel sorry for them cos i feel they had their chances at the top and blew em. Pretty sure the winds out of the sails now. They may come back in a year or two (like Hawthorne appear to be) but evetually they will suffer and need to rebuild as we are now (no it's not a media phenomenon).
We're a successful club with an amazing recent record. Lethal commented to Mike Sheehan how hard it is for a team who's been ontop to stay ontop. We tried to ride that high when we went on our recruiting rampage but it backfired. Brown and Fev were both playing injured. If things had been different and they were firing we would have made finals and people would have claimed Voss a tactical genius.
Big mistake for Merrett to stay forward for half but shit, our defence should be able to hold it together without him.
(sorry for my longest rant ever on BF)
Loving the effort. As others have said, the players seem to really be trying hard for Voss. Hope the fighting spirit doesnt get knocked out of them. We all know they're young and inexperienced. So too are the Suns and they are going to be a very frightening prospect in coming years. So to will the Lions. What goes down must come up. We have a winning culture and we're being mentored by a champion who knows how to win. Once our captain gets back the Lions will roar. Browny is more to our team at the moment than a leading goal kicker. He's the spirit. When he moves on eventually someone else will step up.
Everone is worried 'bout what happens when Black and Power etc move on relax. Our players are getting games into them: we have the likes of Rich, Rocky, Banfield etc.
Our team has a LOT of potential. Voss is the man to help them find and develop that potential. He stays.
Hopefully success comes sooner than later. I'd rather be in our position TBH than St Kilda. I doubt they will contend this year n they still will need to go through some hard hard years before they get another crack. I feel sorry for them cos i feel they had their chances at the top and blew em. Pretty sure the winds out of the sails now. They may come back in a year or two (like Hawthorne appear to be) but evetually they will suffer and need to rebuild as we are now (no it's not a media phenomenon).
We're a successful club with an amazing recent record. Lethal commented to Mike Sheehan how hard it is for a team who's been ontop to stay ontop. We tried to ride that high when we went on our recruiting rampage but it backfired. Brown and Fev were both playing injured. If things had been different and they were firing we would have made finals and people would have claimed Voss a tactical genius.
Big mistake for Merrett to stay forward for half but shit, our defence should be able to hold it together without him.
(sorry for my longest rant ever on BF)
Don't be sorry, I loved it.
A pleasure to read that the Lions still have a few member's/ supporter's who are not burning effigy's after Saturday night.
GingerGreatness
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Yeah, good read k, but just on this - IIRC Merrett went forward and Jed then spent time in the middle, that left:
> Patfull (in career worst form);
> Goose (had a barry the week prior);
> Collier
> Drummo (1st game back)
> McGrath (not our most accountable backman I would have thought)
> Stiller
as our back 6. EDIT: Hanley would have been thereabouts too...
Wondering why we looked like we couldn't find a you know what in a you know where down back?
Jed was rotated back out of the middle, but still - the plan to rob peter to pay paul was perhaps a tad ambitious.Nice of Power to come out and say Vossy's been doing a good job and all, but I saw rubbish from the players, umpires and coaches box Saturday night.
