Next Generation

[Coops93]

Timely that CA has released its Under-19 squad to tour England next month. A few names in here that have already been discussed in the thread as players of some potential;

Australia male U19 squad to tour England: Hugh Weibgen (c, QLD), Lachlan Aitken (QLD) Harkirat Bajwa (VIC), Mahli Beardman (WA), Harry Dixon (VIC), Cameron Frendo (NSW), Ryan Hicks (NSW), Sam Konstas (NSW), Rafael MacMillan (NSW), Tom Menzies (NT), Cody Reynolds (QLD), Harjas Singh (NSW), Tom Straker (NSW), Josh Vernon (WA), Callum Vidler (QLD), Corey Wasley (WA).

Article on cricket.com.au mentions that this group will form the basis of the U19 World Cup squad for next year's tournament in Sri Lanka along with a few players who were injured this time around (Charlie Anderson and Austin Anlezark and no doubt others)

Good to see a NT player in the line-up - allrounder Tom Menzies currently playing in the Strike League and going ok apparently.

Cody Reynolds played at my club before moving on to representative teams. He still comes down when he can . Probably will be rarer now, though!

Fantastic to see him getting honours like this.

 

[Santana]

Cody Reynolds played at my club before moving on to representative teams. He still comes down when he can . Probably will be rarer now, though!

Fantastic to see him getting honours like this.

What's his pace bowling like?

 

[corbies]

I think this summer is the perfect chance to blood a young opener and move Warner on. I know he's said he wants to retire after the home summer as to have a bit of a home swansong, but afaic he doesn't deserve that in lieu of getting the next generation going.

Wants to retire at the end of the Pakistan series not after the home summer.

 

[9874123]

I'll have a crack at of mostly young, uncapped line up of players who could play before our next series in England in 2027

1. Hearne
2. Hunt
3. Wyllie
4. Kellaway
5. Hardie
6. Gilkes (WK)
7. Sutherland
8. Perry
9. Bartlett
10. Sangha
11. Morris

 

[Sphynx]

Wants to retire at the end of the Pakistan series not after the home summer.

I'm with Taylor.

The Australian cricket team isn't just something you get to play around with.

Plenty of our greats haven't been afforded the same opportunity.

This isn't Ponting or Waugh or even Steve Smith we are talking about.


He only plays if he earns his spot in the first few rounds of the Shield.

 

[Cat Pummins]

I'll have a crack at of mostly young, uncapped line up of players who could play before our next series in England in 2027

1. Hearne
2. Hunt
3. Wyllie
4. Kellaway
5. Hardie
6. Gilkes (WK)
7. Sutherland
8. Perry
9. Bartlett
10. Sangha
11. Morris

That's a pretty good team, the only ones I'm unsure about are Gilkes and Hearn.

 

[anchor man]

That's a pretty good team, the only ones I'm unsure about are Gilkes and Hearn.

Inglis way ahead of all other keepers.

 

[melanChronic]

Hoping that Green can step up to 4 when Smith retires.

 

[Gough]

Hoping that Green can step up to 4 when Smith retires.

Wherever Green ends up I hope we've learned from Watson, and he's given a bit more structure and more of a defined role rather than being asked to do all sorts of different things.

 

[9874123]

That's a pretty good team, the only ones I'm unsure about are Gilkes and Hearn.

Yeah I'm not crazy about Gilkes, think he probably tops out as a decent shield player but it seems like we have a whole host of good-not-great young keepers. Inglis will play tests for us but he's not exactly a spring chicken.

 

[Zach Package]

Hoping that Green can step up to 4 when Smith retires.

Wouldn't be opposed to Green 4, Smith 5, Head 6 as soon as this summer

 

[anchor man]

Wherever Green ends up I hope we've learned from Watson, and he's given a bit more structure and more of a defined role rather than being asked to do all sorts of different things.

Exactly.

 

[Belnakor]

Wouldn't be opposed to Green 4, Smith 5, Head 6 as soon as this summer

Agree 100%. Let the boy win his spurs. He bats at 4 for shield. He bats at 3 in the ipl. It’s madness for him to be batting so low in the test team. It doesn’t suit him.

 

[The Passenger]

Boy, that'd be some conversation to sit down and tell arguably our best batsmen since Don Bradman that he's gonna slide down the order to accommodate a bloke who has a test average of 33.

TBH those positions do suit each of those batsmen better, but when it comes to the order of a batting line-up in a test team a lot comes down to who has earned their stripes (rightly or wrongly).

Marsh has probably taken a medium-term lock on that position for now anyway. I'd be surprised if he (Marsh) doesn't play the three Pakistan tests and then they'll reassess the Marsh vs Green scenario. Not the worst thing in the world for Green to go back to the Shield and earn his spot again. Decent start, huge talent, had one tough tour and he'll obviously be back for sure but just a question of how long Marsh can hold that form for.

 

[9874123]

I still think Green should play against Pakistan. His bowling is clearly better than Marsh's, Marsh wasn't really exposed to the long spells of bowling short that Green had in the earlier tests, which doesn't suit Green at all and seemed to ruin his rhythm a bit.

With the bat its a tougher call. Marsh's ton makes him hard to drop and he did well at Old Trafford too but we have enough exposed form to know what Marsh is. Green averaged 50 against Pakistan with the bat so for mine he deserves a chance to back that up on home soil.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

We need one of Marsh or Green to be able to open. Do we have any shield games prior to the tests where they could actually try opening at shield level and see how they go?

 

[Coops93]

Why Smtih at 5 & Green at 4? Green hasn't impressed me as a batter really, he looks incredibly nervous every time he bats in tests. Moving to 4 will do him no favours with that. I don't really see the rationale behind it.

I do like Head at 6 though, I've always felt like it's the ideal position for him and his style of batting.

 

[Coops93]

I still think Green should play against Pakistan. His bowling is clearly better than Marsh's, Marsh wasn't really exposed to the long spells of bowling short that Green had in the earlier tests, which doesn't suit Green at all and seemed to ruin his rhythm a bit.

With the bat its a tougher call. Marsh's ton makes him hard to drop and he did well at Old Trafford too but we have enough exposed form to know what Marsh is. Green averaged 50 against Pakistan with the bat so for mine he deserves a chance to back that up on home soil.

Marsh did have some fitness issues which hampered his bowling, in his defence. He's normally very good in English conditions and even with not being fully bowling fit he was getting better shape and swing than any of our other bowlers.

 

[Westend]

Well if Marsh gets named ODI captain he might not have time for the tests....the way the schedule is

it will be interesting to see who captains on the t20 tour of South Africa...team is announced next week

 

[Jimthegreat]

We need to replace Warner but we can gradually replace the other batsmen over a few years. Bowling will soon need a makeover though. Next Ashes we need to look at Cummins, J.Richo and Morris. Lyon will still be about but we have an excellent replacement, a top line spinner himself who could well average low 20s with the bat. Marsh might play short term and Green will be a top liner. A run in Sheffield Shield might be good to further Green's development while Marsh plays.

Captaincy will need a change. Cummins went well for 2 years but when the pressure valve increased he struggled with the pressure of trying to be both a captain and fast bowler. Captaincy was so reactive and it his bowling was badly affected. Seemed to affect the rest of the bowlers. They seemed confused by England's style and our tactics, hence struggled to put consecutive balls in the same spot.

England's style was simply ODI style. Keep making 1s and 2s, as a priority but chase boundaries hard if they are there. We actually hit 30 more boundaries for the series (this mean we win on countback....haha) but we were killed by the constant 1s and 2s which added up so quickly. We set field for boundaries while they just turned the strike over constantly. A better captain would have picked up on that.

 

[SSwans2011]

Warner will be selected for the Pakistan series, I have no doubt about that.

Beyond that, I think Renshaw should get an extended crack at it. He's still only 27 and has several years left.

As far as bowlers go, sadly I don't think we can be planning around Richardson, even though he's the best long-term prospect at this stage, if you don't factor in injuries. Accordingly, I think we need to be trialling Morris this home summer, and considering others like Johnson and Meredith. I'd like to see at least 2 of those get a crack in the home summer and New Zealand series.

Finding an opener to replace Khawaja is the only thing I'm worried about long-term. I think we've got the bowling stocks, and there's enough promising batting prospects to replace Smith too.

 

[Zach Package]

Why Smtih at 5 & Green at 4? Green hasn't impressed me as a batter really, he looks incredibly nervous every time he bats in tests. Moving to 4 will do him no favours with that. I don't really see the rationale behind it.

I do like Head at 6 though, I've always felt like it's the ideal position for him and his style of batting.

An element of it is future proofing and succession planning, but technically, I think he’s the most capable going around

Head’s not a 4, I don’t see anyone out of the side as the next 4 either. And I think it would allow him to just bat without the additional responsibility of coming in with a mandate to push the pace or bat with the tail. And I don’t think it impacts his ability to bowl all that much.

Can see an argument for doing it maybe in 12 months time but I’d go sooner rather than later.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Warner will be selected for the Pakistan series, I have no doubt about that.

Beyond that, I think Renshaw should get an extended crack at it. He's still only 27 and has several years left.

As far as bowlers go, sadly I don't think we can be planning around Richardson, even though he's the best long-term prospect at this stage, if you don't factor in injuries. Accordingly, I think we need to be trialling Morris this home summer, and considering others like Johnson and Meredith. I'd like to see at least 2 of those get a crack in the home summer and New Zealand series.

Finding an opener to replace Khawaja is the only thing I'm worried about long-term. I think we've got the bowling stocks, and there's enough promising batting prospects to replace Smith too.

Spencer Johnson has made a great start to his career. They'll like him being a left armer too. The attack wouldn't lack pace with he, Morris and Cummins.

 

[Coops93]

An element of it is future proofing and succession planning, but technically, I think he’s the most capable going around

Head’s not a 4, I don’t see anyone out of the side as the next 4 either. And I think it would allow him to just bat without the additional responsibility of coming in with a mandate to push the pace or bat with the tail. And I don’t think it impacts his ability to bowl all that much.

Can see an argument for doing it maybe in 12 months time but I’d go sooner rather than later.

But why no.4? Smith doesn't need to be moved out, nor should he be. Especially not for an all-rounder that hasn't really proven his batting credentials consistently in test cricket yet.

I don't think Green is ready for no.4 either. He still seems very, very nervous to me as a batter and the pressure of being in the top 4 wouldn't help that.

I'm not convinced it's a good idea for either batter. I could entertain a swap with Head from 5 and 6, I'd love Head to play his role at 6 as I think the way he plays is perfect for that spot.

 

[The 747]

Boy, that'd be some conversation to sit down and tell arguably our best batsmen since Don Bradman that he's gonna slide down the order to accommodate a bloke who has a test average of 33.

TBH those positions do suit each of those batsmen better, but when it comes to the order of a batting line-up in a test team a lot comes down to who has earned their stripes (rightly or wrongly).

Marsh has probably taken a medium-term lock on that position for now anyway. I'd be surprised if he (Marsh) doesn't play the three Pakistan tests and then they'll reassess the Marsh vs Green scenario. Not the worst thing in the world for Green to go back to the Shield and earn his spot again. Decent start, huge talent, had one tough tour and he'll obviously be back for sure but just a question of how long Marsh can hold that form for.

What I want to see is Green go back to the Shield and dominate games (with the bat, have no issue with his bowling, it's great for an all-rounder), then take that mindset into the international team. Always seems to happy just be there for mine.

Longer term number 4 yes, but has to earn that spot.