Some people are only worried about their percentages. Would be a travesty to see either of the clubs fold and doesn't help the future of the div 3 competition at . Would be great to hear some ideas on keeping both clubs going so they can re-group during the off-season.
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Ive given my ideas. Merge the ressies. Take some pressure off both clubs ringing up everyone Friday night. Each club supplies 12 instead of chasing 24…
There is no magical way to make 30 good footballers appear for each club.
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Its the only answer at the moment. I cannot see why a Reservoir Lalor combined reserves side would not work immediately, it would take a little effort on players but at least they have people playing that can fill the seniors when needed and keeping some on the park. They could alternate ground meaning the would play at home every game to help with crowd figures and maybe money. I know opposition would hate having only possible 1 game at home on certain weeks but that has to be better than games not getting finished or a non event due to standard.
There is a lot of chat about this issue here and some great points, I think we all want to see both actually survive but that just may not be possible. They are not that far away from each other and have fantastic history we do not want to disappear. A decent focus from AFL on how to support Clubs like this is needed,
Who plays at Donath Reserve, huge area in the middle of both suburbs could be a great place to start a joint venture.
We cannot use the demographic situation be the main excuse. West Preston Lakeside, a joint venture club is only getting bigger and bigger. Not 100% sure of Thomastowns youth but they seem to be strong off and on field. Epping probably made the wrong call a few years ago coming back to Div 2 without proper promotion meaning it was earlier than the onfield could handle, on field they are not going great but seem off field to be fine and I am sure they have a junior program and with Wollert only getting bigger should have throughput coming. (none of this is fact checked all off the top of my head)
I hope there is answers and smart people are working on it because there is nothing good about what is happening at the moment to both Clubs and the competition.
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Winner of the round: Kilmore gets a big win over Sth Morang away. Gives them huge belief and confidence moving forward.
Loser of the week: Heidelberg West seem to have stagnated this year, losing both Coulson and Miki are massive losses but they now slip below Mernda with only 1 win.
In relation to Reservoir and Lalor, yes I think merging reserves is a good idea. It seems Broadford and Yea have done it in outer east. All players are available for senior and reserves selection.
It seems both Reservoir and Lalor have enough for seniors, combine the reserves and we hopefully we don’t have forfeits or games ending at half time due to low numbers.
Both clubs are fighting hard to survive and if this helps for 2022 than why not look at it.
Would love to know what the NFNL are doing to help
Winner of the round: Kilmore gets a big win over Sth Morang away. Gives them huge belief and confidence moving forward.
Loser of the week: Heidelberg West seem to have stagnated this year, losing both Coulson and Miki are massive losses but they now slip below Mernda with only 1 win.
In relation to Reservoir and Lalor, yes I think merging reserves is a good idea. It seems Broadford and Yea have done it in outer east. All players are available for senior and reserves selection.
It seems both Reservoir and Lalor have enough for seniors, combine the reserves and we hopefully we don’t have forfeits or games ending at half time due to low numbers.
Both clubs are fighting hard to survive and if this helps for 2022 than why not look at it.
Would love to know what the NFNL are doing to help
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I hope there is smart people working on it….
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Na too busy chasing fees and finesI hope there is smart people working on it….
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Imagine they re-evaluated their core purpose as a regional football competition for the people within…. maybe it wouldn’t seem like such a stretch
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Mate, speaking from experience… They are more than likely fining them for not having numbers.
The people with influence have never helped with anything - They are nothing more than an anchor and should be held to account.
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What would you expect the NFNL to be doing? It’s not their job to find players, appoint coaches, build culture, keep clubs financially sound.
I’ve been involved in 3 different leagues and find the NFNL easily the best. Easy to contact, accomodating to any suggestions and generally fair with fines. While I understand they are frustrating being part of a previous league where results are missing until Monday afternoon it’s fantastic how well it’s all organised.
Why did the players first leave after nearly making it to D1? in what 2015?? I’m assuming payment issues (genuinely I have no idea)
Why did the junior clubs disappear over the years? I remember a number of serious headline making incidents for the club. Is that the leagues fault? Weren’t one the the lalor clubs banned for a number of years due to a huge brawl?
I suppose there are number of reasons for the decline of the club.
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I wouldn’t expect the NFNL to be doing anything, that’s the point.
You would have a vastly different opinion to the MANY people I speak with I can assure you.
but to answer your question - assist in promotion and development at at junior primary school level (not AFLVIC disguised AUSKICK head counters, real help), get out from behind the desk and visit them, have a plan for growth in suburbs that are struggling, show some solidarity and desire for the league and the volunteers… The gap between clubs and admin is bigger than than Peter Floyd era. The direction can be turned around quickly but not all volunteers are equipped to know how, help them find a way or at least try.
You obviously think it’s just the role of the league to collect fines that are generally fair ones… Pretty poor agenda if that’s all they have available to clubs when needed.
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It’s not about the immediate future.
Merging is a very tricky balance but It can certainly be done with the right people managing the transition.
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At the very least geographically it's not the worst case scenario. Just a thought, we're not even in the depths of winter at the moment and it's only going to get worse. If COVID has taught us anything it's that nothing that was originally deemed too hard or impossible is anymore.
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Can Mernda beat Heidelberg West or they only capable of knocking off the likes of Lalor and Reservoir.
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Hedielberg West should account for them pretty easily you would think.
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Mernda would be going in thinking they are a big chance .
I believe West have quite a few injuries/Covid at the moment looking at the outs last week and players they’ve used in just 5 rounds.
It’s curtains on whoever loses seasons imo.
After playing both sides I wouldn't cancel mernda out at all.
Probably the only nice thing I'll ever say about mernda so take it for what it is. Haha
Was looking at the ladder posted above with 16 teams in Division 2 back in the day.
What are peoples thoughts on the following
Div 1: 10 teams
Division 2: Drop Epping and Fitzroy Stars. Premier of Div 3 (let’s say Sth Morang) and Wallan are enticed back, move straight into Div 2
Div 2 is Eltham, Banyule, Lower Plenty, Thomastown St Marys, Diamond Creek, Watsonia, Panton Hill, Wallan and Sth Morang. Swap premier of Div 2 to Div 1 and last in Div 1 in relegated. Div 2 10 teams.
Div 3 Epping, Fitzroy Stars, Laurimar, Old Eltham, Kilmore, Heidelberg West, Mernda, Reservoir, Lalor, Kinglake
10 teams.
NFNL needs to find 2 clubs who want to move in NFNL, I just used Wallan and Kinglake as they have played in competition before (was probably DVFL though)
Parkside are enjoying being back in the ammo’s from all reports (they were in ladder as well)
If not Wallan and Kinglake, maybe Old Paradians, Ivanhoe or Old Ivanhoe and only have premier and last swap in Div 3/ Div 2.
Let’s hope Reservoir and Lalor both survive, 2 proud clubs with many years history in the league.
Thoughts?
What are peoples thoughts on the following
Div 1: 10 teams
Division 2: Drop Epping and Fitzroy Stars. Premier of Div 3 (let’s say Sth Morang) and Wallan are enticed back, move straight into Div 2
Div 2 is Eltham, Banyule, Lower Plenty, Thomastown St Marys, Diamond Creek, Watsonia, Panton Hill, Wallan and Sth Morang. Swap premier of Div 2 to Div 1 and last in Div 1 in relegated. Div 2 10 teams.
Div 3 Epping, Fitzroy Stars, Laurimar, Old Eltham, Kilmore, Heidelberg West, Mernda, Reservoir, Lalor, Kinglake
10 teams.
NFNL needs to find 2 clubs who want to move in NFNL, I just used Wallan and Kinglake as they have played in competition before (was probably DVFL though)
Parkside are enjoying being back in the ammo’s from all reports (they were in ladder as well)
If not Wallan and Kinglake, maybe Old Paradians, Ivanhoe or Old Ivanhoe and only have premier and last swap in Div 3/ Div 2.
Let’s hope Reservoir and Lalor both survive, 2 proud clubs with many years history in the league.
Thoughts?
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yes ideally that would happen but realistically the NFNL are unlikely to recruit 2 teams this off season.
I’ve heard rumours re kinglake as outer east d2 is a shambles. But thag rumour happens yearly. They would hold their own in d3 northern.
The same time NFNL d3 is a bit of a mess atm as well
Outer East division 2 is a shambles
Broadford/Yea have merged for rest of the year so it’s a 6 team competition.
The senior list Kinglake have they would make the top 4 in Division 3 or be very close. They have netball though so that could be a stumbling block coming back to NFNL
Thoughts on Wallan going straight to Div 2, I think they would be too strong for Div 3, they have Seniors, Reserves and Club 18 team so plenty of numbers to chose from. Again netball would be an issue.
The ammo clubs should use Old Eltham as there template, nearly gone a few years back with poor numbers but the move to NFNL has been a great one for the club and competition. Can see them continuing to get stronger
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Thinking outside the box , not even sure if possible.
I don’t believe a ‘merge ‘ would work, I’m guessing most of the guys in both clubs Ressies are the ‘call up’ Thursday evening ‘can you play?’ tight of blokes ( doing it for the club) , so I’d say you’ll lose most of these guys in a merge.
Once merged , at least 1 of the clubs (whichever their not based at) is gone forever.
I’m guessing both clubs are filled with ‘club men’ so you lose those people too.
What about if the NFL sponsor the bottom 2 clubs in div.3 , say $20-$25,000.
A bit of a tax right off for the league , a real chop out to those 2 bottom sides.
Now this can be invested in whatever way the club decides , but must be spent.
An example would be , the ability to bring in 4-5 good footballers on avg $300 a game ( up to club then to create culture to keep these players) or $ could be used to invest in juniors / U19s etc etc
I know it sounds ‘unfair’ to all the other clubs but if ongoing , who knows which clubs will need the $ injection going fwd.
Just a thought , as I’m sure there’s a bit of $ relief to new clubs coming into league , maybe better to invest in the clubs you already have..
I don’t believe a ‘merge ‘ would work, I’m guessing most of the guys in both clubs Ressies are the ‘call up’ Thursday evening ‘can you play?’ tight of blokes ( doing it for the club) , so I’d say you’ll lose most of these guys in a merge.
Once merged , at least 1 of the clubs (whichever their not based at) is gone forever.
I’m guessing both clubs are filled with ‘club men’ so you lose those people too.
What about if the NFL sponsor the bottom 2 clubs in div.3 , say $20-$25,000.
A bit of a tax right off for the league , a real chop out to those 2 bottom sides.
Now this can be invested in whatever way the club decides , but must be spent.
An example would be , the ability to bring in 4-5 good footballers on avg $300 a game ( up to club then to create culture to keep these players) or $ could be used to invest in juniors / U19s etc etc
I know it sounds ‘unfair’ to all the other clubs but if ongoing , who knows which clubs will need the $ injection going fwd.
Just a thought , as I’m sure there’s a bit of $ relief to new clubs coming into league , maybe better to invest in the clubs you already have..
