Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

Can Nick Daicos be the AFL's GOAT

  • Yes

    Votes: 167 28.6%

  • No

    Votes: 417 71.4%
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Fadge said:
Loving the Sheezel and Daicos comparisons. Both players are clearly guns.

Both have been introduced into the AFL system in very similar roles, and it is clearly a great way to blood young players into what is a cutthroat and ruthless sporting environment.

I continue to refuse to get into any back and forth over their respective first seasons - they were both amazing (Sheezel in a bottom team, and Daicos in a premiership contender) - but as I have said many times, this thread was started on the back of Daicos' second season - where he performed as (arguably) the best player in the competition, and at a minimum in the top two players in the competition.

I notice in Meteoric Rise's appraisal above the reference to Daicos' 'Player Ratings' and B&F finish in 2022/2023. Interestingly, he forgot to mention Daicos also finished 2nd in the AFLPA MVP, 3rd in the Brownlow Medal and 3rd in the AFLCA Coaches Award, despite missing more games than the eventual winners of each of those awards. It will be interesting to see if Sheezel can reach those heights in his second (or even third or fourth) years. I hope he does.

Another interesting observation is the microscope under which the performances of the respective players are viewed. I watched the North v. Carlton game on Friday and there were a couple of moments Sheezel would want back, but I'm not going to jump on to social media to share videos of a couple of mistakes a 19 year old player in his second season made - but I doubt Daicos would be afforded a similar response. In fact, we all know he wouldn't.

Let's see if people are still putting up Sheezel as a comparison to Daicos in 2, 5 or 10 years - if they are, he will be carving out a magnificent career.
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Yes we all know Daicos won the Fadgelow last year, shame he couldn't win any of the actual major awards.

And just lol at the denigrating... Sheezel's not a squib. I've watched every game both players have played and not once have I thought Sheezel intentionally avoided a contest to avoid contact. Trying to bring Sheezel down a peg so you can justify Nicki's consistent shirking and squibbing isn't going to work when much of the viewing audience watch both players on a regular basis.
 
Fadge said:
Loving the Sheezel and Daicos comparisons. Both players are clearly guns.
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I don't think there is any comparison whatsoever.
Sheezel is a beauty but he has shown little to no ability around goal and he has yet to worry about attention from the opposition as he's just not worth tagging due to the incompetent team he plays in.

Daicos will move from midfield to half back depending on if his team needs some momentum. He will perfectly time his runs forward to have a shot on goal and is quite simply, a better skilled, all-round footballer than Harry.
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
Yes we all know Daicos won the Fadgelow last year, shame he couldn't win any of the actual major awards.

And just lol at the denigrating... Sheezel's not a squib. I've watched every game both players have played and not once have I thought Sheezel intentionally avoided a contest to avoid contact. Trying to bring Sheezel down a peg so you can justify Nicki's consistent shirking and squibbing isn't going to work when much of the viewing audience watch both players on a regular basis.
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I didn't go into any detail about the moments Sheezel would want back, and in no way am I trying to denigrate him.

It's not something I am comfortable doing despite the large number of posters on BigFooty and users of Twiiter that obviously are.

The fact is all players make mistakes, but it seems the mistakes made by some players are more 'newsworthy' than the mistakes made by others...
 

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Fadge said:
I didn't go into any detail about the moments Sheezel would want back, and in no way am I trying to denigrate him.

It's not something I am comfortable doing despite the large number of posters on BigFooty and users of Twiiter that obviously are.

The fact is all players make mistakes, but it seems the mistakes made by some players are more 'newsworthy' than the mistakes made by others...
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You mentioning that he'd have moments he'd like to take back is denigration...

I just find this whole thread amusing. You still haven't picked up that the main reason people are shit canning Nicki boy is because you are the one who made this thread. You've been trolling Carlton and Richmond fans for years and years across dozens of threads and its finally come back to bite you in the ass.
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
You mentioning that he'd have moments he'd like to take back is denigration...

I just find this whole thread amusing. You still haven't picked up that the main reason people are s**t canning Nicki boy is because you are the one who made this thread. You've been trolling Carlton and Richmond fans for years and years across dozens of threads and its finally come back to bite you in the ass.
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If you (and others) get your thrills denigrating (or as you put it s**t canning) a 2nd/3rd year AFL player, it says a lot about you.
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
As opposed to you denigrating Mckay... Curnow... Cripps... Dusty... Walsh... Cotchin... Weitering...

The lack of self awareness is astonishing
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Tell me where I've denigrated them?

By saying McKay wasn't in the top 100 performed players across 2022/23?

By commenting about Curnow's ineffective finals series?

It's a little different to calling players squibs, reposting twitter posts of other no-names calling players squibs, etc.
 
Fadge said:
Tell me where I've denigrated them?

By saying McKay wasn't in the top 100 performed players across 2022/23?

By commenting about Curnow's ineffective finals series?

It's a little different to calling players squibs, reposting twitter posts of other no-names calling players squibs, etc.
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I'm sure Nicki must be distraught... Random people on Bigfooty and Twitter calling him out for squibbing contests... How wicked of them!
 
My Tilly said:
I don't think there is any comparison whatsoever.
Sheezel is a beauty but he has shown little to no ability around goal and he has yet to worry about attention from the opposition as he's just not worth tagging due to the incompetent team he plays in.

Daicos will move from midfield to half back depending on if his team needs some momentum. He will perfectly time his runs forward to have a shot on goal and is quite simply, a better skilled, all-round footballer than Harry.
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Your point about Sheezel doing comfortably better statistically as an 18yo than Daicos did as a 19yo, and so far way better as a 19yo than Daicos did as a 19yo, you say due to Sheezel not being worth opposition attention seems to be based on a reasonable premise.

That premise being that Daicos is playing in a lot more competitive matches and so the opposition would make him work harder for his possessions. The trouble is that whilst this seems a reasonable premise you did not check it against the verifiable facts, nor did you examine your own premise by any other method. You did not consider any alternative premise, such as Daicos is being fed opportunities by a much better team. So let me assist you friend.

1. If Daicos was being made to work harder for his possessions in his 19yo year, wouldn't this have meant he would have returned a lower uncontested possession count? And if he was especially good at coping with the extra attention, a higher contested possession count(than Sheezel did at a 1 year younger age?)

The facts - Daicos returned 6.4 contested possessions per match v Sheezel 6.8 and Sheezel won a higher percentage of his overall possessions in contests.

2. And shouldn't all this extra attention Daicos gets compared to Sheezel mean Daicos would automatically have higher pressure acts and tackle numbers given he would be in traffic more often when near the ball?

The facts - Daicos 13.1 pressure acts per game v Sheezel 20.6. Tackles, Daicos 2.3 v Sheezel 3.3.

So we can see pretty clearly who is working harder for their possessions and who had the easier opportunities.

3. But of course Sheezel is just getting a lot of meaningless possessions where Daicos possessions are much more damaging...

The facts - both 4.5 average score involvements per game despite Daicos playing in a much higher scoring team. Daicos involved in 19.9% of his team's scores, v Sheezel 23.5%. Both recorded 0.6 goals + goal assists per game.

We could go on and on in greater and greater depth, but I think the point is made. Sheezel, at 18 years of age, won more of his own footy, more footy overall, and had an equal scoring impact despite operating in a much tougher school, ie the North Melbourne football team. There is basically nothing Daicos has done of any merit that Sheezel hasn't more than matched at an earlier age. If Daicos is a more skilled and better footballer than Sheezel(comparing same stage of maturity/experience) then surely there would be statistical confirmation of this? The only confirmation we have is Sheezel is the better performed player at the same stage, and by a decent margin.

So your post doesn't stand up to scrutiny I am afraid. But there is worse news than that my beleaguered friend, much worse...your post DID stand up to Fadge scrutiny:

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Meteoric Rise said:
Your point about Sheezel doing comfortably better statistically as an 18yo than Daicos did as a 19yo, and so far way better as a 19yo than Daicos did as a 19yo, you say due to Sheezel not being worth opposition attention seems to be based on a reasonable premise.

That premise being that Daicos is playing in a lot more competitive matches and so the opposition would make him work harder for his possessions. The trouble is that whilst this seems a reasonable premise you did not check it against the verifiable facts, nor did you examine your own premise by any other method. You did not consider any alternative premise, such as Daicos is being fed opportunities by a much better team. So let me assist you friend.

1. If Daicos was being made to work harder for his possessions in his 19yo year, wouldn't this have meant he would have returned a lower uncontested possession count? And if he was especially good at coping with the extra attention, a higher contested possession count(than Sheezel did at a 1 year younger age?)

The facts - Daicos returned 6.4 contested possessions per match v Sheezel 6.8 and Sheezel won a higher percentage of his overall possessions in contests.

2. And shouldn't all this extra attention Daicos gets compared to Sheezel mean Daicos would automatically have higher pressure acts and tackle numbers given he would be in traffic more often when near the ball?

The facts - Daicos 13.1 pressure acts per game v Sheezel 20.6. Tackles, Daicos 2.3 v Sheezel 3.3.

So we can see pretty clearly who is working harder for their possessions and who had the easier opportunities.

3. But of course Sheezel is just getting a lot of meaningless possessions where Daicos possessions are much more damaging...

The facts - both 4.5 average score involvements per game despite Daicos playing in a much higher scoring team. Daicos involved in 19.9% of his team's scores, v Sheezel 23.5%. Both recorded 0.6 goals + goal assists per game.

We could go on and on in greater and greater depth, but I think the point is made. Sheezel, at 18 years of age, won more of his own footy, more footy overall, and had an equal scoring impact despite operating in a much tougher school, ie the North Melbourne football team. There is basically nothing Daicos has done of any merit that Sheezel hasn't more than matched at an earlier age. If Daicos is a more skilled and better footballer than Sheezel(comparing same stage of maturity/experience) then surely there would be statistical confirmation of this? The only confirmation we have is Sheezel is the better performed player at the same stage, and by a decent margin.

So your post doesn't stand up to scrutiny I am afraid.
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The Stats Sheet analyst says clear facts that can be determined by simply watching games of footy 'don't stand up to scrutiny'.
 

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Fadge said:
Loving the Sheezel and Daicos comparisons. Both players are clearly guns.

Both have been introduced into the AFL system in very similar roles, and it is clearly a great way to blood young players into what is a cutthroat and ruthless sporting environment.

I continue to refuse to get into any back and forth over their respective first seasons - they were both amazing (Sheezel in a bottom team, and Daicos in a premiership contender) - but as I have said many times, this thread was started on the back of Daicos' second season - where he performed as (arguably) the best player in the competition, and at a minimum in the top two players in the competition.

I notice in Meteoric Rise's appraisal above the reference to Daicos' 'Player Ratings' and B&F finish in 2022/2023. Interestingly, he forgot to mention Daicos also finished 2nd in the AFLPA MVP, 3rd in the Brownlow Medal and 3rd in the AFLCA Coaches Award, despite missing more games than the eventual winners of each of those awards. It will be interesting to see if Sheezel can reach those heights in his second (or even third or fourth) years. I hope he does.

Another interesting observation is the microscope under which the performances of the respective players are viewed. I watched the North v. Carlton game on Friday and there were a couple of moments Sheezel would want back, but I'm not going to jump on to social media to share videos of a couple of mistakes a 19 year old player in his second season made - but I doubt Daicos would be afforded a similar response. In fact, we all know he wouldn't.

Let's see if people are still putting up Sheezel as a comparison to Daicos in 2, 5 or 10 years - if they are, he will be carving out a magnificent career.
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What a strange post

But highlighting why and when you started this thread has absolutely no relevance of how others should respond

Sheezel being a year younger just highlights how much better his debut season was especially in a bottom 4 side
 
Meteoric Rise said:
Your point about Sheezel doing comfortably better statistically as an 18yo than Daicos did as a 19yo, and so far way better as a 19yo than Daicos did as a 19yo, you say due to Sheezel not being worth opposition attention seems to be based on a reasonable premise.

That premise being that Daicos is playing in a lot more competitive matches and so the opposition would make him work harder for his possessions. The trouble is that whilst this seems a reasonable premise you did not check it against the verifiable facts, nor did you examine your own premise by any other method. You did not consider any alternative premise, such as Daicos is being fed opportunities by a much better team. So let me assist you friend.

1. If Daicos was being made to work harder for his possessions in his 19yo year, wouldn't this have meant he would have returned a lower uncontested possession count? And if he was especially good at coping with the extra attention, a higher contested possession count(than Sheezel did at a 1 year younger age?)

The facts - Daicos returned 6.4 contested possessions per match v Sheezel 6.8 and Sheezel won a higher percentage of his overall possessions in contests.

2. And shouldn't all this extra attention Daicos gets compared to Sheezel mean Daicos would automatically have higher pressure acts and tackle numbers given he would be in traffic more often when near the ball?

The facts - Daicos 13.1 pressure acts per game v Sheezel 20.6. Tackles, Daicos 2.3 v Sheezel 3.3.

So we can see pretty clearly who is working harder for their possessions and who had the easier opportunities.

3. But of course Sheezel is just getting a lot of meaningless possessions where Daicos possessions are much more damaging...

The facts - both 4.5 average score involvements per game despite Daicos playing in a much higher scoring team. Daicos involved in 19.9% of his team's scores, v Sheezel 23.5%. Both recorded 0.6 goals + goal assists per game.

We could go on and on in greater and greater depth, but I think the point is made. Sheezel, at 18 years of age, won more of his own footy, more footy overall, and had an equal scoring impact despite operating in a much tougher school, ie the North Melbourne football team. There is basically nothing Daicos has done of any merit that Sheezel hasn't more than matched at an earlier age. If Daicos is a more skilled and better footballer than Sheezel(comparing same stage of maturity/experience) then surely there would be statistical confirmation of this? The only confirmation we have is Sheezel is the better performed player at the same stage, and by a decent margin.

So your post doesn't stand up to scrutiny I am afraid. But there is worse news than that my beleaguered friend, much worse...your post DID stand up to Fadge scrutiny:

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You are the poster who only looks at a players stat sheet and makes a judgement solely based on that.

I'm going by what I have seen from both players. Sheezel has Goddard-like qualities. Not comparable in the air but a similar type.

Daicos oozes x-factor. He's a mixture of Ablett Jnr and Sam Mitchell. Very dynamic and not many possess the footy IQ he displays at only 50 games into their career.
 
My Tilly said:
You are the poster who only looks at a players stat sheet and makes a judgement solely based on that.

I'm going by what I have seen from both players. Sheezel has Goddard-like qualities. Not comparable in the air but a similar type.

Daicos oozes x-factor. He's a mixture of Ablett Jnr and Sam Mitchell. Very dynamic and not many possess the footy IQ he displays at only 50 games into their career.
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In what attributes is Nicki comparable to Mitchell and GAJ?
 
My Tilly said:
You are the poster who only looks at a players stat sheet and makes a judgement solely based on that.

I'm going by what I have seen from both players. Sheezel has Goddard-like qualities. Not comparable in the air but a similar type.

Daicos oozes x-factor. He's a mixture of Ablett Jnr and Sam Mitchell. Very dynamic and not many possess the footy IQ he displays at only 50 games into their career.
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Except GAJ and Mitchell actually took contested marks, and were both hard at the football in a 50/50 situation. Daicos has none of these attributes thus far.
 
Arr0w said:
What a strange post

But highlighting why and when you started this thread has absolutely no relevance of how others should respond

Sheezel being a year younger just highlights how much better his debut season was especially in a bottom 4 side
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Plus winning the Fadgelow doesn't not count in historical data.
 
My Tilly said:
You are the poster who only looks at a players stat sheet and makes a judgement solely based on that.

I'm going by what I have seen from both players. Sheezel has Goddard-like qualities. Not comparable in the air but a similar type.

Daicos oozes x-factor. He's a mixture of Ablett Jnr and Sam Mitchell. Very dynamic and not many possess the footy IQ he displays at only 50 games into their career.
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Why do you say that? For example I have never seen one of Daicos's many squib efforts listed on any stats sheet, you have to watch them play to see those things. Every time he steps out of the way of traffic the opposition gets one of the most valuable opportunities you can get in footy, careering forward with the footy unchecked. You might be prepared to ignore what the rest of us are seeing constantly from him, but if you do, it is a bit rich to come here and tell me I am judging simply by stats.

I have watched both players play a lot. Nothing I have seen tells me the essential stats lie. Remember, in age, Sheezel 2024 is comparable with Daicos 2022. And so far this season he is miles ahead of what Daicos was doing in 2022.
 
Worm4 said:
Plus winning the Fadgelow doesn't not count in historical data.
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Good thing that all knowledgeable and informed football pundits are fully aware as to the level Daicos performed in 2023 when assessing his career, and won't be referring to binary results from record books that the less informed people rely on.
 
Meteoric Rise said:
Why do you say that?

I have watched both players play a lot. Nothing I have seen tells me the essential stats lie. Remember, in age, Sheezel 2024 is comparable with Daicos 2022. And so far this season he is miles ahead of what Daicos was doing in 2022.
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Ah. So we get to hear about how much better Sheezel is than Daicos for another year, until shite gets real and he has to perform as one of the two best players in the competition to be comparable!

You guys are quite brilliant!
 
Fadge said:
Good thing that all knowledgeable and informed football pundits are fully aware as to the level Daicos performed in 2023 when assessing his career, and won't be referring to binary results from record books that the less informed people rely on.
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It's already been dissected and rebuked
 
Fadge said:
Ah. So we get to hear about how much better Sheezel is than Daicos for another year, until shite gets real and he has to perform as one of the two best players in the competition to be comparable!

You guys are quite brilliant!
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Sheezel has another season, 2025, before that can be assessed

But, everyone in the footy world knows its easier to attract recognition in top 8 sides
 

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