Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[PenfoldsFan]

Really?

Tell me another player who was leading every individual award the competition has to offer until their home and away season was ended prematurely, and yet they still performed well enough to finish a close second and third in all of them, in only their second season?

Go.

He'll never be the GOAT if he cant stay on the park due to his fragility Vadge.

 

[Mr Meow]

It is a "middle finger thread" - inflammatory faux responses to people's arguments with constantly shifting goalposts and invites aggressive responses. Using the premise of the thread to put down players from other clubs etc etc etc..typical trolling stuff.

In other words the same situation as the Martin thread, in which one small group of fanatics argue that a one time Brownlow/League MVP/Coaches Association winner and 2 time B&F winner is the greatest player in the history of the game - because he had 3 superb finals series in a 4 year span. And then ridicule/mock every other champ of the modern era and even before.

 

[Fadge]

In other words the same situation as the Martin thread, in which one small group of fanatics argue that a one time Brownlow/League MVP/Coaches Association winner and 2 time B&F winner is the greatest player in the history of the game - because he had 3 superb finals series in a 4 year span. And then ridicule/mock every other champ of the modern era and even before.

Except I don't recall any other greats of the game being ridiculed and mocked in this thread.

 

[Arr0w]

Except I don't recall any other greats of the game being ridiculed and mocked in this thread.

Did any of those players have a thread started on them after 2 seasons, proclaiming possible GOAT status and the author discounting any viable comparison to actual players in consideration for the GOAT?

 

[Fadge]

Did any of those players have a thread started on them after 2 seasons, proclaiming possible GOAT status and the author discounting any viable comparison to actual players in consideration for the GOAT?

Hmmm, apologies for discounting the nominations of Brad Hardie and Tony Liberatore (with explanations as to why their nominations were discounted).

In the context of this thread, where we're starting with examples of players who had performed at or around, or indeed better than the level that Daicos has performed at his age - some recent examples being Haydn Bunton Snr and Tim Watson - those nominations have been welcomed and respected.

 

[Fadge]

I thought the thread began as
If Martin wins another NS would he be regarded as blah, blah, blah.

I don’t think that’s the same at all and started as a clear question.

This is a troll thread.

If you believe it is a troll thread, noone is twisting your arm to read it, or post in it.

 

[Arr0w]

Hmmm, apologies for discounting the nominations of Brad Hardie and Tony Liberatore (with explanations as to why their nominations were discounted).

In the context of this thread, where we're starting with examples of players who had performed at or around, or indeed better than the level that Daicos has performed at his age - some recent examples being Haydn Bunton Snr and Tim Watson - those nominations have been welcomed and respected.

I never mentioned any of those players, yet all viable options when considering their first 50 games, despite their age

 

[Arr0w]

I thought the thread began as
If Martin wins another NS would he be regarded as blah, blah, blah.

I don’t think that’s the same at all and started as a clear question.

This is a troll thread.

I'd say it's more a validation thread, but not going according to plan for the author

 

[Fadge]

I'd say it's more a validation thread, but not going according to plan for the author

To the contrary, it's going exactly as I expected.

If posters weren't jealous of how good he's been, or in fear of how good he'll become, it wouldn't be tracking at 700 posts per week...

 

[Arr0w]

To the contrary, it's going exactly as I expected.

If posters weren't jealous of how good he's been, or in fear of how good he'll become, it wouldn't be tracking at 700 posts per week...

Why would anyone be jealous? I enjoy young talent reaching their potential no matter the club

The number of posts doesn't dictate the validity of the OP

You really are insecure

 

[Rich01]

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believes that Tom Stewart is up there as having the best 150 games ever played so let’s throw him into the conversation also.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Fadge's definition of GOAT = The best 21 year old to play 51 games, record 1449 career disposals, lay 147 career tackles, deliver 150 career clearances and kick 28 career goals, win a premiership, win an Anzac Day medal and "ALMOST" win every other AFL award only to fall short with injury.

Fadge's room for discussion =

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Mathematician, punter, orator, tall poppy, dude, non-payer of rent, and all self-anointed -
Is there nothing this man cannot do?

 

[Fadge]

Mathematician, punter, orator, tall poppy, and all self-anointed -
Is there nothing this man cannot do?

Daicos is the tall poppy.

I'm just some dude who lives rent free in the heads of posters like you on BigFooty.

 

[Mr Meow]

Fadge's definition of GOAT = The best 21 year old to play 51 games, record 1449 career disposals, lay 147 career tackles, deliver 150 career clearances and kick 28 career goals, win a premiership, win an Anzac Day medal and "ALMOST" win every other AFL award only to fall short with injury.

Fadge's room for discussion =
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Instead of these constant trolling posts, why not address something related to the actual topic?

Like of the under 25s currently in the system, who do you think the best 20 will be (in what order)?

You can even say Daicos won't be in the top 20 players of the 2017-2023 draft years. This would still be more interesting discussion than "haha look at the OP squirm!".

I get that you guys are trying to have this sent to the bay but not posting at all would be an easier way to make the thread disappear.

 

[Fadge]

Instead of these constant trolling posts, why not address something related to the actual topic?

Like of the under 25s currently in the system, who do you think the best 20 will be (in what order)?

You can even say Daicos won't be in the top 20 players of the 2017-2023 draft years. This would still be more interesting discussion than "haha look at the OP squirm!".

I get that you guys are trying to have this sent to the bay but not posting at all would be an easier way to make the thread disappear.

I suspect you're expecting a bit much if you think they've got anything more in them than reimagining what I have posted and calling a 21 year old 3rd year AFL player a squib.

But we might be pleasantly surprised...

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Instead of these constant trolling posts, why not address something related to the actual topic?

Like of the under 25s currently in the system, who do you think the best 20 will be (in what order)?

You can even say Daicos won't be in the top 20 players of the 2017-2023 draft years. This would still be more interesting discussion than "haha look at the OP squirm!".

I get that you guys are trying to have this sent to the bay but not posting at all would be an easier way to make the thread disappear.

If you sweep through the early pages of this thread, I am sure you will find many names both past and present, raised which either match the output or promise that Daicos delivers.

But Fadge much like the media with a 'kamikaze' approach, sensationalise the player's stats and achievements to a point that is always going to backfire.

There is irrefutable acknowledgement of Nick Daicos and his impressive football skills, but the mixed criticism he receives was without question built upon the father-son romance, occasional cheap stats, excessive promotion and the few overhyped performances he has previously produced.

Nick doesn't deserve this one bit. He is a fine young man with a huge load of talent. What you see here was unjustly foisted upon him by those such as the OP.

This whole thing that he can be the 'greatest player of all time' (not just here but in the media)... I mean, the possibility stands (albeit the absolute tiniest of percentages). But in the current landscape, how more hyperbolic can things get? There are a fair few players that are seemingly delivering as much (if not, more) at the current time.

 

[Hippster]

Not impossible. His first 2 and a bit seasons insane. Not sure I’d bother being on here as a Pies supporter. The comments bagging him are crazy. He was best player in the comp last year. He may have missed a tackle this year.. but seriously…
I’m sure Gazz and Lethal and Duck missed a tackle at some stage.

 

[Mr Meow]

If you sweep through the early pages of this thread, I am sure you will find many names both past and present, raised which either match the output or promise that Daicos delivers.

But Fadge much like the media with a 'kamikaze' approach, sensationalise the player's stats and achievements to a point that is always going to backfire.

There is irrefutable acknowledgement of Nick Daicos and his impressive football skills, but the mixed criticism he receives was without question built upon the father-son romance, occasional cheap stats, excessive promotion and the few overhyped performances he has previously produced.

Nick doesn't deserve this one bit. He is a fine young man with a huge load of talent. What you see here was unjustly foisted upon him by those such as the OP.

This whole thing that he can be the 'greatest player of all time' (not just here but in the media)... I mean, the possibility stands (albeit the absolute tiniest of percentages). But in the current landscape, how more hyperbolic can things get. There are a fair few players that are seemingly delivering as much (if not, more) at the current time.

Fair enough. A more boring/understated title and opening post would've been more palatable. But did Fadge want it to be more palatable, or to enrage people?

Comparing different eras is ridiculously hard and harder still if you weren't actively watching some of these former players careers. Which is why personally I'm never going to try and compare Jesaulenko, Reynolds and GAS. I'm not qualified on the first two.

Maintaining the discussion to 21st century midfielders/flankers would be a better starting point IMO. As an Ablett, Judd and Franklin admirer these are still the confines of which I'd rather rate them as opposed to how they compare to players from the 70s.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Daicos is the tall poppy.

I'm just some dude who lives rent free in the heads of posters like you on BigFooty.

Cheers, I’ll add it to the list

 

[Shane Heard]

Even Anthony Banik has Nicki covered on this front.
Banik. The Micheal Symons of punt road..

 

[Do the Dew]

Thinking of starting an equally meritorious discussion thread:

T2B_ - Can he sleep with Sydney Sweeney?

Thoughts?

More chance than little nicki becoming the goat.

 

[Thrawn]

Daicos is the tall puppy.

EFA

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Harry Sheezel, as pointed out perfectly correctly by Arr0w is an embarrassment to this thread. What he shows is that if a young and highly talented player who is a good ball user is placed across half back and fed by an AFL team, and allowed by his team to chase the ball rather than necessarily taking responsibility for an opponent all the time, he can rack up possession numbers to rival or in many cases better the best midfielders. Just as Daicos has done. Only Sheezel has done it better, is not a noted squib, and has not yet failed as an inside midfielder.

Daicos is less than 3 months shy of being 2 years older than Sheezel in real time. So as Arr0w has revealed, he is basically a year younger in their respective first years, second years and so on. Sheezel in 2024 is very similar in age to Daicos in 2022(the Daicos debut season.) And Sheezel is tracking comfortably ahead of Daicos on an age v age basis.

18yo Daicos did not play v Sheezel B & F won easily beating AA Larkey and top 10 ranked player ratings Uniacke. Sheezel himself rated 14.5 average. Sheezel 24 coaches votes.

19yo Daicos rated 9.87 & 7th in B & F v Sheezel so far rating 14.5 after 3 matches.

20yo Daicos rated 15.39, AA selection & =2nd B & F v Sheezel hasn't reached this age yet.

21yo Daicos rating 15.64 after 4 games v Sheezel hasn't reached this age yet.


Sheezel has already banked a better year at 18yo than Daicos had as a 19yo. An even better comparison will come after this current season if Sheezel has a decent run with injury. Then we will have both players' 19yo seasons to look at side by side(and we can join in the chorus. )

But let us look at Sheezel's 18yo season v Daicos's 19yo season seeing we have these complete seasons to hand:




It is undeniable that Sheezel has a statistically superior season in the same role despite playing in a weaker team, and being almost a whole year younger. Sheezel, despite the age deficit, also recorded a higher player rating, far superior B & F finish, and produced 20.6 pressure acts per game compared to Daicos 13.1. He even matched Daicos for score involvements despite playing in an infinitely weaker team, which is very impressive.

A big difference here is Sheezel is doing it in a much lower profile team, and this coupled with not having a famous footballing name results in his stunning 18yo debut season not gaining anywhere near the recognition of the Daicos 19yo debut season a year earlier.

It is seriously difficult to argue a player is tracking to be the GOAT when another player comes along right behind him tracking even better playing the same role in a weaker team.

 

[Fadge]

Loving the Sheezel and Daicos comparisons. Both players are clearly guns.

Both have been introduced into the AFL system in very similar roles, and it is clearly a great way to blood young players into what is a cutthroat and ruthless sporting environment.

I continue to refuse to get into any back and forth over their respective first seasons - they were both amazing (Sheezel in a bottom team, and Daicos in a premiership contender) - but as I have said many times, this thread was started on the back of Daicos' second season - where he performed as (arguably) the best player in the competition, and at a minimum in the top two players in the competition.

I notice in Meteoric Rise's appraisal above the reference to Daicos' 'Player Ratings' and B&F finish in 2022/2023. Interestingly, he forgot to mention Daicos also finished 2nd in the AFLPA MVP, 3rd in the Brownlow Medal and 3rd in the AFLCA Coaches Award, despite missing more games than the eventual winners of each of those awards. It will be interesting to see if Sheezel can reach those heights in his second (or even third or fourth) years. I hope he does.

Another interesting observation is the microscope under which the performances of the respective players are viewed. I watched the North v. Carlton game on Friday and there were a couple of moments Sheezel would want back, but I'm not going to jump on to social media to share videos of a couple of mistakes a 19 year old player in his second season made - but I doubt Daicos would be afforded a similar response. In fact, we all know he wouldn't.

Let's see if people are still putting up Sheezel as a comparison to Daicos in 2, 5 or 10 years - if they are, he will be carving out a magnificent career.