Nicky Winmar to take legal action against Newman, Scott and Sheahan

[Chief]

Truth hurt?

Maybe if I see it one day, it might.

 

[Chief]

Where me?

Sinking tins at a backpackers in Cairns with a couple of Saints fans and watching Winmar & McAdam shred the Pies

But that doesn't matter.

Don Scott and Mike Sheahan were both there and they were saying they thought Winmar was pointing at his guts & saying "gutsy win"
So they're both wrong. Just not sure that's worth anything for damages, is all I'm saying.

Nicky Winmar would've had a better chance of extracting coin from the Collingwood president, Allan McAlister who said afterwards that people would respect him if behaved himself well like a white person

Let’s not let let the truth get in the way of what a few good ol’ boys felt at the time. Feels is better than reals, bruh.

 

[Chief]

That’s what most sensible non-senile people would think. We all know it was a stand on racism...

But on what grounds could he be suing them?
Does 3 old fools offering their deluded opinion on something really constitute slander?

Now let’s look at what the article says.

“Reported to be... “ are probably the key words.

 

[Whiskers]

You're a fan of an open filthy racist? Nice.

AFL has always been racist at the top level. Nothing new. It could worse. In the 90s it wasnuch worse. Boys club filled with open and closeted racists.

You’re a fan of a racist organisation?
Nice.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Now let’s look at what the article says.

“Reported to be... “ are probably the key words.

and if "..." is inaccurate then what exactly the fuss. Just 3 dinosaurs saying stupid shit then?
Twitter clips of Trump speeches does that daily.

I think this thread is clearly operating on the assumption that 'reported to be' comes to fruition, and if so I ask once more, on what grounds?

 

[iBeng]

and if "..." is inaccurate then what exactly the fuss. Just 3 dinosaurs saying stupid sh*t then?
Twitter clips of Trump speeches does that daily.

I think this thread is clearly operating on the assumption that 'reported to be' comes to fruition, and if so I ask once more, on what grounds?

A lawyer will find one. They always do.

 

[Chief]

and if "..." is inaccurate then what exactly the fuss. Just 3 dinosaurs saying stupid sh*t then?
Twitter clips of Trump speeches does that daily.

I think this thread is clearly operating on the assumption that 'reported to be' comes to fruition, and if so I ask once more, on what grounds?

No it asks the question “what if...”

 

[Ron The Bear]

How mean spirited can 3 blokes get. Even if there was truth in what they are saying, all they are doing is rewriting the story to suit their own narrative. They are attempting to take away any ownership of one of the truly great moments in Indigenous history, and there have been precious few, and white wash it. There is not an indigenous person in Australia who is not proud of that moment and that photo. And now they want to take that away. Well done guys, real big of you.

The Bible had a bit to say about worshipping false idols (a reference to the statue, not Winmar). There is a lot of untruth/selective truth contained within current political narratives. If such discussion serves to shine a light, it can only be a good thing - whatever the truth turns out to be.

 

[Ron The Bear]

So it's an iconic photo, it doesn't mean the story cannot be manipulated.

This is an iconic photo of Jack Dyer, the man who supposedly broke 64 collarbones in his playing career. It's useful to know that it shows Dyer winning a ruck contest and Tom Meehan pivoting to follow the direction of the ball, and not Dyer cutting another hapless opponent down with a fearsome blow.

Same principle applies with the Winmar photo. I don't know the truth of it, but suspect those threatening legal action won't really want it explored.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Is the suggestion that it proves that Collingwood fans were not being racist that day?

That was wiidely reported and not in any dispute to my knowledge. The public reaction at the time was that it was just Vic Park being Vic Park.

 

[Chief]

The Bible had a bit to say about

Mmmph...

 

[Ron The Bear]

Yeah, maybe...

Probably a stronger case for defamation if they had actually said "Winmar has been a living a lie and capitalising on it ever since"

Pretty sure that's what Andrew Bolt got done for.

 

[Ron The Bear]

yep and its been turned into a racist debate and attack on Winmar, an attempt to rewrite history it judt wasn't.

The legend-making began some years later, I'm not sure exactly when. Plenty of St.Kilda supporters have repeated the "guts" claim to me. That doesn't make it true, but maybe this is an attempt to correct history.

It would've gone through to the 'keeper as a forgotten dot ball without certain people making a noise about it.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Daicos was one of the most respected players ever to play the game. I went to plenty of football in that time and don't remember Daicos copping anything other than f***en Daicos has done it again.

Mother's Day Massacre. Daicos had been in the news over serious financial issues, maybe a restaurant gone bad or something, can't remember.

Anyway Collingwood are getting their pants pulled down and the Richmond crowd's in rare festive mood, and the ball goes out of bounds in front of Daicos. Some bloke yells at a hundred decibels, "Hey Daicos, your accountant's on the phone!".

One of those things where you had to be there, maybe, but it brought the house down.

 

[Kummerspeck]

I'm assuming the podcast was partly addressing the Black Lives Matter activism and Newman's recent sacking from Channel 9 because he's had a gutful of the left-wing biased editorialising from media and them ramming their "systemic racism" agenda down everyone's throats.

And because he's a racist.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Free speech be damned, next Hitler post gets an infraction. Stick to the topic.

Where's your moderator badge?

"Unscannable! Unscannable!"

 

[Chief]

And because he's a racist.

Dude.

Does this look like the face of a racist?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I don't know the truth of it, but suspect those threatening legal action won't really want it explored.

Why wouldn't they?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Why wouldn't they?

Maybe Nicky has given different accounts to a lot of people over the years. We'll see I guess.

 

[Occidental]

Even if Newman was correct (and he's not), it's a white dude speaking on behalf of an Indigenous man & telling us what he thinks. Shabby.

That’s the entire history of this story in a nutshell.
Winmar made no comment about his actions that day to anyone. He told no club officials, he told no teammates. No one at St Kilda knew it had happened. No one at the ground knew what had happened.
28,000 people were there.
But one white guy later....

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Maybe Nicky has given different accounts to a lot of people over the years. We'll see I guess.

So you also think he's lying?

 

[Grrr]

The Bible had a bit to say about worshipping false idols (a reference to the statue, not Winmar). There is a lot of untruth/selective truth contained within current political narratives. If such discussion serves to shine a light, it can only be a good thing - whatever the truth turns out to be.

How can it be a good thing for aboriginal people to one of their very few iconic symbols or small wins taken away from them. Pride in the colour of your skin should be applauded not questioned.

 

[HaroLad]

Remind us which degree you completed?

I'm halfway through a degree with a pretty high entry point (think ATAR in the 90s) and it's nothing to brag about.

All about the $$$ nowadays, some unis are even doing away with ATAR requirements next year. They'll let anyone in in some courses.

 

[Ron The Bear]

How can it be a good thing for aboriginal people to one of their very few iconic symbols or small wins taken away from them. Pride in the colour of your skin should be applauded not questioned.

It’s ostensibly a good thing, which is why there was no opposition to the statue on principle. Even if it was shown to be based on a false premise, there’s no reason why it has to come down. Maybe a plaque underneath to provide context...

 

[Ron The Bear]

So you also think he's lying?

No idea, I’ve just heard different versions. None from Winmar personally. Happy for Newman et al to be taken to court and for the truth to be established.