Nicky Winmar to take legal action against Newman, Scott and Sheahan

[Ron The Bear]

The animosity and patriarchal attitude in this interview is disgusting.
Newman is saying how dare the black fella ask for anything!
Brown calls him 'boy'.

The racism is palpable.

Disgusting.

What stands out to me is the troublemaker that is Peter Jess - then, before and since.

 

[Back One Out]

He didn’t? How do you know?

I don’t know... But I wasn’t giving my opinion. I was paraphrasing Occidental. That was pretty clear, wasn’t it? So you should ask him instead of asking me.

But if you want me to answer on behalf of him... Um... I’ve never heard any St Kilda officials speak about it... Not a single word in 27 years. The only person I’ve ever heard actually give precise details about that moment was Ludbey, the photographer who ran across the ground with his camera to capture the moment. It was him who spoke on behalf of Winmar and quoted him as saying “I’m black and I’m proud of it”

I’d be interested to know if there were other witnesses. We might need to subpoena them.

 

[WillHayward]

What stands out to me is the troublemaker that is Peter Jess - then, before and since.

Of course that's what stands out for you....

You are all in with the bully boys attacking Winmar via Jess.

I mean who did Winmar think he was standing up for himself?

He should be thankful the whities even let him play and be humble and gracious and know his place.

Right?

No wonder Sam and the boys were so angry.

Nothing more insolent and infuriating than a Blackie who doesn't his place.

 

[B4Bear]

How sad to see the campaigners on BF back an absolute turd like Newman over an ornament to the history of the game.

Racist ****ing trolls dressing their behaviour up as ‘freedom of speech’ and other weasel words to hide their real nature.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Of course that's what stands out for you....

You are all in with the bully boys attacking Winmar via Jess.

I mean who did Winmar think he was standing up for himself?

He should be thankful the whities even let him play and be humble and gracious and know his place.

Right?

No wonder Sam and the boys were so angry.

Nothing more insolent and infuriating than a Blackie who doesn't his place.

You had my reply taken down, did you? I’ll have another go.

Nothing against Winmar, he was one of the most entertaining players of his era.

Cultural Marxism on the other hand is worse than cancer.

Don’t throw accusations around if you can’t handle an edgy response.

 

[Chief]

This is an iconic photo of Jack Dyer, the man who supposedly broke 64 collarbones in his playing career. It's useful to know that it shows Dyer winning a ruck contest and Tom Meehan pivoting to follow the direction of the ball, and not Dyer cutting another hapless opponent down with a fearsome blow.

Same principle applies with the Winmar photo. I don't know the truth of it, but suspect those threatening legal action won't really want it explored.

“Perspective in a 2D photo can be deceiving”
Is that all you’ve got?

 

[Ron The Bear]

“Perspective in a 2D photo can be deceiving”
Is that all you’ve got?

Skin or guts?

Maybe it should have a poll.

A decade on, the raw emotion of the incident has not faded, with people contacted by The Age this week making impassioned pleas to either set the record straight or add to what has already been recorded.

Some, like then St Kilda coach Ken Sheldon and then Magpie president Allan McAlister, would not be drawn at all.
...
The Sunday Herald Sun published an almost identical picture with a caption suggesting he told the Collingwood fans, "I've got guts".

The latter interpretation was initially supported by Stewart Loewe - "I just thought he was pointing to his heart and saying, 'We showed a lot of heart'."

https://able2know.org/topic/39519-3

 

[bresker]

No, you missed Occidental's point

Bresker said about the podcast: it's a white dude speaking on behalf of an Indigenous man & telling us what he thinks. Shabby.

Occidental made the ironic observation: That’s the story in a nutshell. Winmar didn't talk to the media or club officials. 28,000 people were at the ground and millions have seen the photo, but nobody actually heard him apart from one "white guy" who had run over to take a pic.

If it wasn't for the white dude speaking on behalf an indigenous man & telling us what he thinks, then this entire iconic moment could've easily been whitewashed as a St Kilda player using sign language to say "gutsy effort" (which was the angle taken by one of the Melbourne newspapers)

Recording someone’s actions by way of a photograph doesn’t tell us what they think. We might think it does ; that’s why fake news is so easy to disseminate.

The only way to find out what someone is thinking is by asking them. If I took a photo of you right now could I tell what you are thinking?

 

[bresker]

Skin or guts?

Maybe it should have a poll.


https://able2know.org/topic/39519-3

Or you could just ask the person in the photo? It’s as if he died and we have to rely on 3rd party evidence

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Skin or guts?

Maybe it should have a poll.


https://able2know.org/topic/39519-3

Have you watched The Australian Dream?

I don't know what the debate is. You're straight out calling Winmar a liar.

 

[OniAu]

Last time i checked my guts isnt on my nipple

Can people get the hell over being offended by coloured people saying they are discriminated against because of their skin colour. Clearly it happens ,things need to change.

Sad thing is , the absolutely bottom barrel of society with the discriminating views also known as "white trash" will never get it

 

[Black white]

I thought the club told him to keep quiet when it was raised.

Really?? Who said that?? Your talking Shiite again.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Or you could just ask the person in the photo? It’s as if he died and we have to rely on 3rd party evidence

Just baffling isn't it.

Francis Leach (@SaintFrankly) Tweeted:
Winmar, MacAdam and a day that no old white guy with a grievance can rewrite.

 

[Black white]

Last time i checked my guts isnt on my nipple

Can people get the hell over being offended by coloured people saying they are discriminated against because of their skin colour. Clearly it happens ,things need to change.

Sad thing is , the absolutely bottom barrel of society with the discriminating views also known as "white trash" will never get it

So he's showing his nipple?? Wow, what about the use of a middle finger instead of an open palm?? This really has to go to court now!!!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Can people get the hell over being offended by coloured people saying they are discriminated against because of their skin colour.

Actually this discussion is more about freedom of speech.

 

[Ron The Bear]

You're straight out calling Winmar a liar.

That itself is a lie.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Really?? Who said that?? Your talking Shiite again.

It has always been my understanding.

Mention of it here too...

"Both he and McAdam were already receiving death threats. St Kilda barred the pair from talking about the issue."

'Black and proud': remembering the day Nicky Winmar changed footy | Jonathan Horn

The player’s defiant gesture at Victoria Park 25 years ago also changed the country that obsesses over AFL

www.theguardian.com

 

[bresker]

Actually this discussion is more about freedom of speech.

We have limitations of freedom of speech in Australia via the court system, to protect us from defamation.

 

[Back One Out]

Recording someone’s actions by way of a photograph doesn’t tell us what they think. We might think it does ; that’s why fake news is so easy to disseminate.
The only way to find out what someone is thinking is by asking them. If I took a photo of you right now could I tell what you are thinking?

Huh? WTF are you on about?

Ludbey is the other plaintiff who has said he will sue the podcasters. He was the guy who ran across Victoria Park oval after the game and snapped the photo of Winmar lifting his jumper and pointing to his skin. Ludbey said he heard Winmar shout "I'm black and I'm proud of it!"

 

[Ron The Bear]

We have limitations of freedom of speech in Australia via the court system, to protect us from defamation.

Not in dispute.

 

[bresker]

Huh? WTF are you on about?

Ludbey is the other plaintiff who has said he will sue the podcasters. He was the guy who ran across Victoria Park oval after the game and snapped the photo of Winmar lifting his jumper and pointing to his skin. Ludbey said he heard Winmar shout "I'm black and I'm proud of it!"

Apologies didn’t realise the last part . My point still stands - Winmar could have been saying he’d eaten a delightful sandwich for lunch. But luckily we don’t have to wonder about interpretations because we can ask Winmar.

 

[Black white]

It has always been my understanding.

Mention of it here too...

"Both he and McAdam were already receiving death threats. St Kilda barred the pair from talking about the issue."

'Black and proud': remembering the day Nicky Winmar changed footy | Jonathan Horn

The player’s defiant gesture at Victoria Park 25 years ago also changed the country that obsesses over AFL

www.theguardian.com

Hahaha the guardian.

It has always been my understanding.

Mention of it here too...

"Both he and McAdam were already receiving death threats. St Kilda barred the pair from talking about the issue."

'Black and proud': remembering the day Nicky Winmar changed footy | Jonathan Horn

The player’s defiant gesture at Victoria Park 25 years ago also changed the country that obsesses over AFL

www.theguardian.com

The guardian...Jonathan horn...hahaha
What number paragraph in the article is this taken from???

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

But luckily we don’t have to wonder about interpretations because we can ask Winmar.

We don't even have to ask him - he's already told us.

But Lucky we have heaps of old white dudes around to disregard it and clear it up for us.

 

[StevoBruiser]

Apparently Eddie was just asking for another pie, but we can’t be sure.

 

[Ron The Bear]

But Lucky we have heaps of old white dudes around to disregard it and clear it up for us.

Would it make a difference if we were black?