Opinion NMFC Board Cricket Thread III

[krakouers]

Dont like tennis?

For those of us who aren’t big fans….

 

[The Talent Scout]

What do you think would fall out of Bolands pockets?

Miniature Kholi figures!

 

[The Talent Scout]

If it were on in my backyard, I'd shut the blinds.

Deuce/Juice?

 

[WesternRoo]

And biggest passenger in a Test Series goes to Nathan Lyon.

Yes he had a couple of moments, but for a 5 Test series he was hardly sighted.

Surely the selectors need to look at the future and see who is going to replace Lyon as the country’s next mainline spin bowler.

Is it Murphy or is there another option?

It’s a valid point.

My issue with Murphy is that he is your traditional side spinning offy. Similar to a Tim May or Graeme Swan. That type of bowler has only really been a roll player on Aus pitches, not a match winner like Lyon.

Kuhnemann is decent against right handlers, but could you imagine if Risbah or a stokes in form faced him ?

I would keep an eye on Rochiccioli. Developing nicely and is the closest of all the bunch to Lyon in style, who has been very successful.

 

[WesternRoo]

Roosurgence Lyon is the king of SGW. After Hazlewood, Cummins & Starc, of course Batsmen go out trying to get after him.

You can count on 1 finger how many games he's won for us.

Didn't see much of him, but remember sitting with my old man at the WC in '92 wondering why he was barracking for Pakistan. I reckon I was 9 and he was truly immense. Could seriously Bat too, definitely a #8, rather than 9 or 10. Dangerous. 414 wickets @ 23 & 3 100s, HS of 257. Probably should have 600 wickets with all the chances that were dropped off him.
Was super quick, 150+ with shortest run up of any fast bowler in history.

Bloke could play.

Saw him bowl under lights at the WACA from the Lillee Marsh stand end behind the bowlers arm at the 1992 World Cup.

Only Brett Lee or maybe Akhtar would have been as quick but he was hooping the white ball both ways.

Absolute gun.

 

[Junk yard]

It’s a valid point.

My issue with Murphy is that he is your traditional side spinning offy. Similar to a Tim May or Graeme Swan. That type of bowler has only really been a roll player on Aus pitches, not a match winner like Lyon.

Kuhnemann is decent against right handlers, but could you imagine if Risbah or a stokes in form faced him ?

I would keep an eye on Rochiccioli. Developing nicely and is the closest of all the bunch to Lyon in style, who has been very successful.

A tall offie who bowls over the ball and takes wickets at the waca vs a short offie who doesn't spin it or seem to have any variations. He's got a bit of character too! I'd expect roland would be next in line.

 

[roo blitz]

And that's seriously understating the Indian side from this series.

Jaiswal has put together one of the most prolific years ever in 2024.

Kohli a modern day great.

Bumrah the best bowler in the world.

Jadeja has 300+ wickets at 24 and averages 35 with the bat.

Pant probably the best keeper batsman in the world.

Siraj is an excellent bowler anywhere but India.

There's some serious quality in the Indian opposition from this series and some will go down as greats.

Just some comments regards the players you mentioned to be taken into account

Jaiswal has put together one of the most prolific years ever in 2024.>>Too inconsistent, its all or nothing with him at the moment

Kohli a modern day great. >>He is past it. Hasn't scored runs for a long time consistently

Bumrah the best bowler in the world.>>Had he played full Sydney test may have well been 2-2

Jadeja has 300+ wickets at 24 and averages 35 with the bat.>>Only really performs in Asian condititions. Dosnt even get picked much in Aussie or English conditions,

Pant probably the best keeper batsman in the world.>>Still recovering properly from his horrific car accident

Siraj is an excellent bowler anywhere but India.>>He is not bad but he is not great

 

[gokangas]

love tennis....forgot about tennis.

But cricket just has a 6-7 week window now.

I find tennis really hard to watch. One of the few games more boring than an ordinary game of soccer.

 

[ferball]

I find tennis really hard to watch. One of the few games more boring than an ordinary game of soccer.

Good, intense tennis matches are great. There are usually two or three per tournament so its not really worth trying to watch them all in the hope you'll see a good one imo.

 

[King Corey]

Australia are arguably best team in the world across multiple formats.

Yet nobody watching them would declare any/many of the recent batsmen as Hall of Famers.

So those things have to be accounted for when judging international bowling attacks.

Bit like full forwards in the 80s/90s (ie every team had a gun), most countries had some genuine class batsmen from the 70s through that period and into the 00s.

The overall quality 'looks' lower these days. For a start you swapped Windies from elite unit to non-entity over 30 years and not replaced guys like Ponting, Lara, Tendulkar etc with superior options.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Australia are arguably best team in the world across multiple formats.

Yet nobody watching them would declare any/many of the recent batsmen as Hall of Famers.

So those things have to be accounted for when judging international bowling attacks.

Bit like full forwards in the 80s/90s (ie every team had a gun), most countries had some genuine class batsmen from the 70s through that period and into the 00s.

The overall quality 'looks' lower these days. For a start you swapped Windies from elite unit to non-entity over 30 years and not replaced guys like Ponting, Lara, Tendulkar etc with superior options.

Kohli and Smith are the only true greats going round. The Poms will say Joe Root, but I won't. He's a damn good player but really no better than ME Waugh who wasn't even the best in his family.

 

[Themanbun]

Australia are arguably best team in the world across multiple formats.

Yet nobody watching them would declare any/many of the recent batsmen as Hall of Famers.

So those things have to be accounted for when judging international bowling attacks.

Bit like full forwards in the 80s/90s (ie every team had a gun), most countries had some genuine class batsmen from the 70s through that period and into the 00s.

The overall quality 'looks' lower these days. For a start you swapped Windies from elite unit to non-entity over 30 years and not replaced guys like Ponting, Lara, Tendulkar etc with superior options.

To be fair though, Australia during our golden era served up absolute roads everywhere but Gabba/Hobart. Pitches are more bowler friendly in the last five years.

 

[KiwiRoo]

To be fair though, Australia during our golden era served up absolute roads everywhere but Gabba/Hobart. Pitches are more bowler friendly in the last five years.

yep.
Interesting was the comments in NZ V Sri Lanka game that i was listening too and they were talking about how the Kookaburra Ball had changed quite a bit in last 4 years with the seam strengthened. I wasn't aware of that, but would also explain some of the more pronounced ball movement that's been happening

 

[Chip Scab1]

yep.
Interesting was the comments in NZ V Sri Lanka game that i was listening too and they were talking about how the Kookaburra Ball had changed quite a bit in last 4 years with the seam strengthened. I wasn't aware of that, but would also explain some of the more pronounced ball movement that's been happening

What ball do they use in Zealand? Not that it really matters, it hoops around plenty.

 

[toepoker]

Green seaming wickets + more pronounced Kookaburra seam = way more interesting cricket in the past few years in this country. Interestingly enough this was in part our response for failing to handle the Dukes ball in England, and at the same time the Poms have gone in the opposite direction with preparing flatter decks to maximise Bazball. Another variable for next summer.
The friendly conditions for bowlers has certainly exposed some poor batting techniques. Big reason Webster looked so good was he actually appeared to have footwork in the traditional sense.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Green seaming wickets + more pronounced Kookaburra seam = way more interesting cricket in the past few years in this country. Interestingly enough this was in part our response for failing to handle the Dukes ball in England, and at the same time the Poms have gone in the opposite direction with preparing flatter decks to maximise Bazball. Another variable for next summer.
The friendly conditions for bowlers has certainly exposed some poor batting techniques. Big reason Webster looked so good was he actually appeared to have footwork in the traditional sense.

Webster does have good footwork but he also seems to have the ability to adjust his bat late.

 

[Samsquanch]

Webster does have good footwork but he also seems to have the ability to adjust his bat late.

Helped a bit that he didn't bat like a flipping boofhead like half of the top order in the first innings.

 

[toepoker]

Helped a bit that he didn't bat like a flipping boofhead like half of the top order in the first innings.

I have Konstas' second innings' slog and Marnus giving slips catching practice about on a par.
Marnus wins because his brain should be fully formed by now

 

[roo blitz]

Kohli and Smith are the only true greats going round. The Poms will say Joe Root, but I won't. He's a damn good player but really no better than ME Waugh who wasn't even the best in his family.

Bit tough on Root looking at his figures and considering he plays on seaming wickets all the time in the UK. I guess he has to score a few 100s in Austrlia though in fairness. Kohli is not as good as Root. Also Williamson is pretty amazing. Watch out for Harry Brook. He is a special talent.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Bit tough on Root looking at his figures and considering he plays on seaming wickets all the time in the UK. I guess he has to score a few 100s in Austrlia though in fairness

I am a Leeds fan, he is Sheffield United. I prefer Wednesday, but yeah, he also looks like Ellen Degeneres so I can't have him. I'm shallow, what can I say.

Juicy decks but small. Put him on a proper sized ground and he's not much chop.

 

[roo blitz]

I have Konstas' second innings' slog and Marnus giving slips catching practice about on a par.
Marnus wins because his brain should be fully formed by now

I think people were jumping the gun a fair bit with Konstas. Calling him a star has me scratching my head. Not sure he has the game to play test cricket with any consistency at the moment especially on seaming pictures. Its all or nothing with a bit of luck coming into it at the moment. I wouldnt call him bazball even though those scoops were very bazball. He seems a bit more loose and a bit of a slogger at times. He is only young though so has plenty of time. I remember when Steve Smith first came along thinking he didnt have a great technique but hey look at his record now. To think he was a spin bowler who could bat a bit when he first came into the side

 

[roo blitz]

I am a Leeds fan, he is Sheffield United. I prefer Wednesday, but yeah, he also looks like Ellen Degeneres so I can't have him. I'm shallow, what can I say.

Juicy decks but small. Put him on a proper sized ground and he's not much chop.

The captaincy didnt help Root at all. He was never a good captain. He got caught up in bazball and didnt adapt as well to it as some of the others. He then went back to his normal batting tempo and his form has returned. He is the anchor in that side to steady the rest of them whilst they blaze away either successfully of stupidly such is bazball

 

[Junk yard]

I think people were jumping the gun a fair bit with Konstas. Calling him a star has me scratching my head. Not sure he has the game to play test cricket with any consistency at the moment especially on seaming pictures. Its all or nothing with a bit of luck coming into it at the moment. I wouldnt call him bazball even though those scoops were very bazball. He seems a bit more loose and a bit of a slogger at times. He is only young though so has plenty of time. I remember when Steve Smith first came along thinking he didnt have a great technique but hey look at his record now. To think he was a spin bowler who could bat a bit when he first came into the side

Of course he doesn't have the game yet, he's 19. He'll be dropped at some stage and be back, he's undoubtedly an immense talent. It takes a long time to figure out your own game as an opening bat, right now this young fella is running on pure talent. Once he figures the rest out he's going to be a force.

 

[WesternRoo]

A tall offie who bowls over the ball and takes wickets at the waca vs a short offie who doesn't spin it or seem to have any variations. He's got a bit of character too! I'd expect roland would be next in line.

Agree.

 

[Junk yard]

Agree.

Kid can bat too, peeled off a 50 in first grade on the weekend. I'm thinking the Australian selectors are pretty happy with how he's travelling.