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Let me get this straight. You're saying that you can look at stats and determine all this, but statistics for the team scores from when player X and player Y play/dont play, taken from close periods of time, over a large sample of games cannot give any indication as to the players worth to the total that the team scores in a match.

you don't know? gosh, I guess they must just let anyone into imaginary rocket school these days :D
 
lol. ok. so why didn't you apply any of this "imaginary" learning? :)

I guess the imaginary teacher, didn't teach you that the statistical theory is the same, regardless of application. or didn't you do your imaginary homework that day.




obviously.
Please read carefully, where did i say that the application was different? Oh well, I can see its pointless trying to have an actual meaningful converstaion here.
 

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thing with these stats are:

last year when we were rolling everyone by shitloads - perrie was injured but kenny was playing.

that is the reason for the large difference between the two.

we werent kicking high scores because kenny was playing because last year he was crap
 
They are interesting numbers sure, but if you take a look at the rest of the numbers for each player neither of them are doing overly well within the climate they have been playing.
There is no blessing in having less players to choose from it is a limiter.
Last year in 19 games McGregor scored 21.15 Perrie this year has 15.9 in 10 games.
As far as scoring goes that would have them fairly even in form however adelaide has been a far poorer team this year on the scoreboard then last year.
If you want your stats to be meaningful you might look at the link between the number of goal scorers present last year and the number present this year effective forward entry passes and so on.
It is as been reported adelaides efficiency in finishing has fallen off Craig has said this already he is aware of all these things.
 
Could Perries be a blessing in disguise? I hope Perrie recovers very quickly and successfully for his sake and we all know you cant question the effort he puts in but it does give Kenny a good chance to prove he's a better player than Perrie will ever be. Generally I'm a little wary of stats but I think these speak pretty clearly over a large enough sample of games and the same number for each player so no advantages anywhere, here are the cold-hard facts:

Games when Pez played – 42 (excluding Sunday seeing as he got hurt). Average score by Adelaide: 91 points
Games when Pez missed – 16. Average score by Adelaide: 108 points

Games when Kenny played: 43. Average score by Adelaide: 100 points
Games when Kenny missed: 16. Average score by Adelaide: 86 points

We constantly hear how Perrie contributes to the team and how individual goals are not the most important thing, but the stats above are the team scores.

*Braces self for battering* This is not an attack on Perrie, simply stating the facts.
I would be more interested to know our win/loss record when:
1) Kenny has played
2) Perrie has played
3) Both Kenny & Perrie have played.

Need to keep in mind points against are just as relevant, because games these days are played in different conditions against opposition with different game plans. It is too simplistic to look at points for.
 
thing with these stats are:

last year when we were rolling everyone by shitloads - perrie was injured but kenny was playing.

that is the reason for the large difference between the two.

we werent kicking high scores because kenny was playing because last year he was crap

This sums it up for me.

Perhaps by the same stats methodology we could conclude its not Sarges fault but Jonathon Griffins, after all he's played all games this year and none last year and our average score for per game has dropped from 103 to 82 pts.
Bring back Clarkey immediatley!;)
 
Why didn't Massie get in ? He was in our winning team when we were dominant, ie when the backbone kept us going... ordinary, unspectacular, but we kept winning handsomely
 
What's her number ?

We're being killed with contested marks inside 50, so let's see if Ken can be the goods to offset comparatively limited mobility.
It'd also help if there were other method beside bomb it in big... like middies getting a bit closer and having a kick like we used to. I still wonder at that, is it a strategy to unleash our best plays when it counts - at the end of the year ?

Agree. I have been calling for either Ken or Grffen to play deep in the forward line for a couple of weeks. My point, is all this rubbish in the media ( Ruc stirring the pot) that Kenny is being harshly treated is rubbish.
 
This sums it up for me.

Perhaps by the same stats methodology we could conclude its not Sarges fault but Jonathon Griffins, after all he's played all games this year and none last year and our average score for per game has dropped from 103 to 82 pts.
Bring back Clarkey immediatley!;)

How are the Saints fairing comparitively from his services?
 
I think it's fair to say some people on this thread are using stats (mostly out of context) to support their pre-determined theories re their preferred player.

To use overall team scores as a direct correlation between Perrie or McGregor is ridiculous. The crows don't rely on one key forward, rather a system and the reliance on every player contributing.

Don't hide behind useless stats (unless you interpret them correctly) and just come out and say who you prefer.

I hope McGregor plays well today and can kick more than 30m again.
 

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I think it's fair to say some people on this thread are using stats (mostly out of context) to support their pre-determined theories re their preferred player.

To use overall team scores as a direct correlation between Perrie or McGregor is ridiculous. The crows don't rely on one key forward, rather a system and the reliance on every player contributing.

Don't hide behind useless stats (unless you interpret them correctly) and just come out and say who you prefer.

I hope McGregor plays well today and can kick more than 30m again.
Yes its very interesting how useless statistics are when they dont support your arguement. Funnily the same people that slam others for using statistics are quite happy to drop a few in when it suits.:rolleyes:

A few people around here think they know a lot more than they do.:(

I struggle to take people seriously when they argue football tactics and so on when they have never actually kicked a ball in anger.
 
Yes its very interesting how useless statistics are when they dont support your arguement. Funnily the same people that slam others for using statistics are quite happy to drop a few in when it suits.:rolleyes:

A few people around here think they know a lot more than they do.:(

I struggle to take people seriously when they argue football tactics and so on when they have never actually kicked a ball in anger.

Yeah, i think you're right. I originally meant to pose the stats as a question but got dragged into an argument and lost abit of focus. The funny thing is, as you say, certain people are happy to dismiss statistics as rubbish while using them to justify their own views and not be open to anyone else's views. Oh well good on em :p FWIW and for the record, I've kicked a few balls in anger :)
 

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