No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 4

[Snarls Barkley]

Can't believe how well the Saints have started. 4-0 with a percentage of 165 and maybe the biggest injury list in the AFL.

Granted the four teams they've played haven't been setting the league alight and I'm sure they will come back to earth at some point soon, but pretty extraordinary nonetheless.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Can't believe how well the Saints have started. 4-0 with a percentage of 165 and maybe the biggest injury list in the AFL.

Granted the four teams they've played haven't been setting the league alight and I'm sure they will come back to earth at some point soon, but pretty extraordinary nonetheless.

Collingwood and then Carlton the next two weeks will be a good test for them to see where they are at.

Then its 5 easier games in a row after that. They will make finals for sure. Will just be a matter of whether they can sustain it for a whole season.

 

[bresker]

What a cracking final quarter. Footy is the BEST

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Oh, my. What a finish to the Swans V Port game.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Hahahahahaha that was hilarious.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Camerawork made it looked like he kicked it 10 rows back, can’t believe it didn’t make the distance.

 

[Leon]

Anyone else see Horne-Francis in the last few minutes try and claim a mark off a kick that went literally about two metres?!

 

[bresker]

Wasn't even close to a goal, Allir would have marked it if it wasn't the last kick

 

[dergert]

We needed Port to win that.

Let them get complacent for next week. We will need every edge we can get.

 

[Sentinel]

Haven't seen such a premature Swans celebration since they watched us beat GWS in the 2016 prelim and thought they had the flag wrapped up a week early.

Mills running away from defending the goal line to celebrate before the ball arrived was next level.

 

[weltschmerz]

Awful to see McCartin stumbling off after a such a minor head knock. I suspect he’s played his last game of footy.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Are some players really unlucky with concussions? Poor McCartin has a shocking run with it. I can see some might be more prone to it when they get a head knock but to have it happen so often.....

There are certainly risk factors that can make you more prone, and one of the biggest ones is a previous history of concussions. If you've had a concussion, your chance of having another rises significantly.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

There are certainly risk factors that can make you more prone, and one of the biggest ones is a previous history of concussions. If you've had a concussion, your chance of having another rises significantly.

Why is this? My fairly poor (and probably wrong) understanding was that concussions happen when the brain makes contact with the skull, so I'm struggling to make sense of that

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Why is this? My fairly poor (and probably wrong) understanding was that concussions happen when the brain makes contact with the skull, so I'm struggling to make sense of that

This is a common perspective but from a scientific standpoint it's a little outdated. What you describe is certainly a consideration - brain injuries can and do happen in this way - but generally in milder injuries the bigger consideration is the way the brain moves relative to itself. I've described it a little in the below quote:

Disclaimer: I am not a biomechanist but I am involved in fields relevant to concussion and have worked in the area previously.

The "brain against skull impact" account of concussions is outdated and only one possible cause (of both concussion and more significant Traumatic Brain Injury). More contemporary accounts talk about the contortion of the brain relative to itself. The brain isn't rock solid and is quite malleable, so not all of the brain responds to the force exactly the same - some parts go slower, some parts go faster, and some parts go in slightly different directions. This causes "tearing" (or shearing injuries as we call them) of the delicate tissue as the neurons are stretched and snapped. With current imaging technology these injuries don't often show up, and we are recognising more and more that this is the actual threat in more cases.

The reason it occurs typically following impact is because the rapid deceleration caused by impact exposes the body (and, by extension, the brain) to a huge amount of force over a very short period of time. This is far beyond the amount of force you are exposed to by simply being thrown to the ground. Think about whiplash injuries from car accidents - it's not the fast driving that causes it, it's the point of impact that throws your body around.

Helmets do not work for concussion because they don't slow the deceleration to enough of an extent to prevent this shearing (or, in some cases, actual skull-brain contact). With or without the helmets, you won't stop the brain from contorting, you'll just soften the blow to your skull. As far as I'm aware there is no current headgear technology that has been proven to reduce the risk of concussion. Perhaps you're right that they would need to be impractical to actually be effective - as of now, to my knowledge nobody has managed to figure out any feasible methods by which to reduce the risk to the brain.

The head of AFL concussion research, A/Prof Cathy Willmott, has some interesting research in this area if anybody is that way inclined.

To answer your question about why it is more common - this is not my area of specialty so I may be a little behind on the literature, but as far as I am aware we don't have an exact answer to this. It would likely be a combination of biological (e.g. imperfect healing of the axons) and psychological factors (e.g. hypervigilance for symptoms which we know is a consideration in persistent post-concussive syndromes).

 

[Nat Fyfe]

This is a common perspective but from a scientific standpoint it's a little outdated. What you describe is certainly a consideration - brain injuries can and do happen in this way - but generally in milder injuries the bigger consideration is the way the brain moves relative to itself. I've described it a little in the below quote:


To answer your question about why it is more common - this is not my area of specialty so I may be a little behind on the literature, but as far as I am aware we don't have an exact answer to this. It would likely be a combination of biological (e.g. imperfect healing of the axons) and psychological factors (e.g. hypervigilance for symptoms which we know is a consideration in persistent post-concussive syndromes).

Awesome mate, thanks very much!

 

[Libbaaaa]

We needed Port to win that.

Let them get complacent for next week. We will need every edge we can get.

This. Port lose and all week it’s pretty much do or die for their season and for Hinkley. Much prefer it this way.

Also Ollie Wines is a genuine liability these days. Such a shame he stole Bont’s Brownlow.

 

[Northernsoul74]

One only needs to look at the scheduling of he game in deference to a godawful charity broadcast to understand that the AFL dont actually care one way or the other about a Good Friday game.

Regardless of who plays in the revolving doors of opponents in search of finding some interest. The game just seems set up as a sop to stop Norf whining losing Friday night football because they think they invented the format. Like the game wasn't already headed in that direction as it shifted to a national fully professional league.

As a neutral, even on the dullest day of the year. I found it incredibly difficult to engage in a game that was on in the middle of the afternoon.

Yep, the Good Friday game will never be a marquee game. I’d much prefer an Easter Sunday slot.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Yep, the Good Friday game will never be a marquee game. I’d much prefer an Easter Sunday slot.

That is probably the only spot remaining for a “marquee” game.

 

[wian]

Tom Lynch out for a few months with foot surgery. Was going to be rubbed out for 2-4 weeks for his careless hit on Keath

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke. Enjoy your stint on the sidelines

 

[hutchy31]

Tom Lynch out for a few months with foot surgery. Was going to be rubbed out for 2-4 weeks for his careless hit on Keath

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke. Enjoy your stint on the sidelines

They’re screwed. He’s so important to them structurally, don’t see how they’ll kick more than 9 or 10 goals a game now against any half decent team.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke. Enjoy your stint on the sidelines

People hate Toby Green.

I think Toby Green is a waste of space.

People hate Tom Lynch.

I think Tom Lynch is a waste of space... and an oxygen thief.

But you've encapsulated it well in that first sentence.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

The package is back

 

[dergert]

The package is back

He's playing his one good game for the year.

 

[Doggy]

Tom Lynch out for a few months with foot surgery. Was going to be rubbed out for 2-4 weeks for his careless hit on Keath

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke. Enjoy your stint on the sidelines

Ouch. That is going to hurt them a fair bit unless Riewoldt can turn back the clock

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

WCE have a 12year old in their team