No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 5

[Bulldogs85]

WOW

 

[Freshwater]

WOW

That wouldn’t bother me at all. Best and Fairest nights are for club backers who pay very good money to be there (that pay these players wages). Those supporters are the glue that help hold our clubs together. If Battle doesn’t want to be a Saint anymore, see ya! I get and agree with what the Saints President said about the AFL and I get they don’t want a deserter at their b&f.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

That wouldn’t bother me at all. Best and Fairest nights are for club backers who pay very good money to be there (that pay these players wages). Those supporters are the glue that help hold our clubs together. If Battle doesn’t want to be a Saint anymore, see ya! I get and agree with what the Saints President said about the AFL and I get they don’t want a deserter at their b&f.

It's a bit precious though. Battle clearly tried to win games for the Saints this year (as proven by the very fact he came third) and then is entitled to leave as a free agent. If being a deserter is such a character flaw that it precludes you from being in a club environment, should St Kilda have recruited players like Brad Crouch and Zaine Cordy who attended their B&F and "deserted" their existing clubs?

 

[WAbulldog]

WOW

Wow that’s poor form from them.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

There's probably more to how Battle treated the club this season than meets the eye, but nobody benefits from making it public. I can't imagine St Kilda being petulant for not other mitigating reason than just to be petulant (not that if something did happen it should excuse them from inviting him anyway).

 

[Bulldogs85]

There's probably more to how Battle treated the club this season than meets the eye, but nobody benefits from making it public. I can't imagine St Kilda being petulant for not other mitigating reason than just to be petulant (not that if something did happen it should excuse them from inviting him anyway).

the Battle camp would of made that public no doubt about it

 

[threenewpadlocks]

the Battle camp would of made that public no doubt about it

Battle camp would have made it public he wasn't invited
Battle camp would have not made public that there probably was at least a mitigating reason why he wasn't invited

(Not saying this happened at all) but just to provide an example if Battle acted unprofessionally to the club in his exit meeting (say he verbally abuses the coach or whatever), he might not get an invite, but it's not in the Saints' interest to leave that open to interpretation, make it public, have a go at him publicly, or even have members of the public even agree with the Saints' view on his behaviour but say "I would have invited him anyway".

My guess is there's probably more than meets the eye for the Saints to make that decision in a similar way to the example I described above.

 

[_Cerberus_]

I don't blame Battle for wanting to leave. Saints are s**t every year. Not every player is about money. Some are about culture and wanting to win. Who wants to hang around a club that is poorly run, keeps flopping on its draft picks, or throwing its draft hands away on ordinary players. Whilst playing a very dour brand of football?

Instead of trying to pick a war with everyone, and the tough posturing. Perhaps the Saints are better off sitting down, putting a mirror in front of themselves, and ask why they keep getting it wrong all the time? Their fans deserve better.

 

[ossie_21]

I don't blame Battle for wanting to leave. Saints are s**t every year. Not every player is about money. Some are about culture and wanting to win. Who wants to hang around a club that is poorly run, keeps flopping on its draft picks, or throwing its draft hands away on ordinary players. Whilst playing a very dour brand of football?

Instead of trying to pick a war with everyone, and the tough posturing. Perhaps the Saints are better off sitting down, putting a mirror in front of themselves, and ask why they keep getting it wrong all the time? Their fans deserve better.

Yeah, but don’t give them any ideas.

It’s already bad enough Dodoro is out at Essendon and they may actually make correct decisions moving forward.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

I agree with a bit precious from the Saints. They were pushing him out the door once it sounded like he was going to get Band 1 compensation back and a top 10 pick

 

[Mojorisin]

I agree with a bit precious from the Saints. They were pushing him out the door once it sounded like he was going to get Band 1 compensation back and a top 10 pick

He was offered more by Saints then he was from the Hawks.

 

[Freshwater]

He was offered more by Saints then he was from the Hawks.

I met Battle’s dad at the footy this year. He was dressed in his Saints polo but was explained to me he was a 39 year Hawthorn member and had been to all their grand finals. The family are true hawthorn nuffies, he was always going.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Battle played hard all year, 3rd in the B&F and has made zero noise on the way out. Plus the Saints offering him more money was purely done to drive up the compensation they wanted to get on free agency.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Yeah that was my understanding of it.

They had a long term offer in front of him for ages. Hawks and Pies were coming in with offers a little higher and they didn’t seem to phased. When they found out that the offers were line ball between being band 1 and band 2 compo they came in with a late offer that was higher and if a new team offered that amount that they would definitely get band 1. Then he accepted the Hawks offer which was lower than the Saints last offer and still line ball between band 1 and band 2 and the Saints got salty

Apologies if thats wrong and the Saints offer was always the highest

 

[Struggle]

I'd be embarrassed if we refused to allow a player at our B&F regardless of them leaving our club. Especially if we are in contact with other clubs contracted players like they have been with Macrae

It's pathetic, add in them butchering his contract so he's an unrestricted free agent rather than restricted and they're not victims in this

 

[Libbaaaa]

Daniher has actually retired, wow. Massive, massive loss for Brisbane.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

You've got to admire a guy who climbed to the top of the football Everest and saw nothing else to conquer and decided to just walk away. Especially when he could've easily milked another 3-5 very lucrative years out of the game.

I always liked the whacky bastard. Now I like him even more.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

WOW

Was he entitled to a medal for coming third?

 

[Bulldogs85]

Was he entitled to a medal for coming third?

You hope he gets it

 

[Bulldogs85]

Max King

12

Max King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

has Re-signed with the saints until 2032 Kane Cornes will have a rant about this tomorrow on trade radio

 

[WAbulldog]

Max King has Re-signed with the saints until 2032 Kane Cornes will have a rant about this tomorrow on trade radio

Guess that get them to talk about something at trade radio.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Max King has Re-signed with the saints until 2032 Kane Cornes will have a rant about this tomorrow on trade radio

Is a little bit of a strange one. Think I'm more pro-Max King than most people but after two injury riddled seasons, where he was not anywhere close to his best when he did play, it's a little strange to get a long term deal like this.

You would think that if the offer was what it probably should be considering the risk that he would only accept a short term deal and backing himself to get back to the levels he reached in 2022 and even more. You'd think he'd only sign a deal that long if they are still paying on potential.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

I don't like the current lengths of contracts though. It doesn't grind my gears like it does Kano but I would like it to change.

Clubs are a bit damned if they do, damned if they don't. No one really wants to offer these contracts, you're a bad knee injury or a Clayton Oliver

13

Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

-esq meltdown away from an awful contractm. Rival clubs are offering really long deals so the clubs holding the players have no choice but to offer the same.

I wouldn't mind if they added restrictions similar to the NBA. 5 years for players on your own team, 4 years for players not on your team. Maybe an extra year but I don't like these 8-10+ year deals, even with triggers

 

[Pugz89]

Saints have bucketloads to spend. May as well stitch up their main key forward for essentially the rest of his career. I get why they've done it.

 

[St 07]

Tiges: Pick 20

Lions: Picks 32, 42, 43, 45

How is this not a complete and utter reaming?