First 3 yes. Plastics are losing a few, though they have a pretty strong list still.
Don't agree on the rest, far too much Hawthorn hype and they're already awarding themselves the 2025 premiership so if they flop it will be delicious.
Geelong... for a bunch of supporters who claim they're going to drop and are so against handing over their future first to us, they seem antagonised by being rated where they are by the bookies for next year. They think they're set for top 4 again, which wouldn't surprise me. But at the same time it's funny because of how adamant in the main board thread how much they will drop (well outside the 8 apparently because of retirements and "hard draw". Most of those they thought would retire have signed on and they never have a hard draw)
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