Opinion Non-Crows AFL 11: Footy's Back At Last

[Cromulant]

Opinions: I rate Cripps the same

I don’t have a Carlton axe to grind

He's good Cripps, but he's not Dangerfield

 

[cleanhands]

He's good Cripps, but he's not Dangerfield

That’s ok I just see it differently

 

[kirky]

Geelong captain and AFL Players Association president Patrick Dangerfield has declared it’s “time to shorten” quarters, adamant that record ratings and attendances wouldn’t be impacted by saying “reduce the supply and the demand goes up”.

‘It’s time’: Superstar Patrick Dangerfield calls for drastic change for AFL games… ‘cue outrage’

‘It’s time’: Superstar calls for drastic change for AFL games… ‘cue outrage’

www.foxsports.com.au

Are they taking a reduction in pay? If not, then nope.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Are they taking a reduction in pay? If not, then nope.

Perhaps time for Dangerfield to retire & start up a T20 equivalent of AFL, where they mike the players up & make it all fancy. Could call in something like AFLX.

 

[Vader]

If we're being serious, then McLeod's & Voss' position in the team are also questionable, due to the "since the turn of the century" selection eligibility.

Both Macca & Voss played significant parts of their careers before the "turn of the century", and their deeds during the 1990s really shouldn't be considered when selecting this team. Don't get me wrong - both are/were outstanding players and all-time greats - but having careers which spanned the turn of the century limits the games for which they should be judged when selecting this team.

Macca's premierships & Norm Smith medals were won in 1997 & 1998, which is outside the window. However, he did play until 2010, and 4 of his 5 All-Australian selections came in this century.

Similarly, Voss' Brownlow (1996) shouldn't be a factor. However, he was a critical part of the Brions 2001-03 premiership winning team.

Voss retired at the end of 2006, and Macca at the end of 2010. Macca played the majority of his career this century, but the performances for which he is best remembered were last century. Voss' career is divided almost equally between the 20th & 21st centuries, and (Brownlow aside) his best career highlights were indeed this century.

Simon Black's selection is less problematic. He won the Brownlow in 2002, the Norm Smith in 2003, played the bulk of his career in the 21st Century, and all of his AA selections were this century.

 

[cleanhands]

Perhaps time for Dangerfield to retire & start up a T20 equivalent of AFL, where they mike the players up & make it all fancy. Could call in something like AFLX.

It’s time for him to stop trying to control the game

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It’s time for him to stop trying to control the game

He could easily retire & get back to recording his holiday with the Dangerfields program for channel 7.

Did anyone watch the last series?

 

[cleanhands]

He could easily retire & get back to recording his holiday with the Dangerfields program for channel 7.

Did anyone watch the last series?

Luckily he had a very good football career

 

[Gtowncrow]

Cant argue with any of those

To my eye I'm swapping Enright out for Tom Stewart.

But overall, probably a fair team.

 

[Scorpus]

Yeah... but as a midfielder, not a small or medium forward.

Danger should still be in the team, but at the expense of one of the other midfielders - probably Selwood.

Thus
Betts replaces Dangerfield
Dangerfield replaces Selwood
Selwood drops out of the team

Betts should defintely be in the team. Whether that's a direct swap with Cyril Rioli, or replacing Selwood via the Dangerfield re-arrangement outlined above, really doesn't matter.

That's fair but you wouldn't have Cripps as a small forward either. Dangerfield could at least play that role if required

And yep I'd absolutely have Dangerfield in the side over Selwood

 

[MarcusP2]

That's fair but you wouldn't have Cripps as a small forward either. Dangerfield could at least play that role if required

And yep I'd absolutely have Dangerfield in the side over Selwood

It's the same thing with AA teams, got to stuff all the midfielders in (which is probably fair, they are generally the best players).

It's not a horrible side, there have been many excellent players. I'd certainly pick Betts over Rioli though. Jonathan Brown is not stiff IMO, every forward they selected is better than him. No slight on his abilities.

 

[Grooster24]

Yeah... but as a midfielder, not a small or medium forward.

Danger should still be in the team, but at the expense of one of the other midfielders - probably Selwood.

Thus
Betts replaces Dangerfield
Dangerfield replaces Selwood
Selwood drops out of the team

Betts should defintely be in the team. Whether that's a direct swap with Cyril Rioli, or replacing Selwood via the Dangerfield re-arrangement outlined above, really doesn't matter.

Yep. Didn't think Selwood is deserving. Not a name that immediately comes to mind like the others. Just a workman.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Selwood was a star and stood up in countless finals but some gloss/respect gets taken off him because of the ducking

 

[Vader]

That's fair but you wouldn't have Cripps as a small forward either. Dangerfield could at least play that role if required

And yep I'd absolutely have Dangerfield in the side over Selwood

I wasn't suggesting that Cripps should be selected in the first place. I was suggesting that the position of small forward should be filled by Betts.

 

[Coopers]

If you let Voss be in, then why not 8x AA brownlod medalist, Roo? Hird & Harvey probably should be salty as well if we're counting the 90's.

 

[Vader]

If you let Voss be in, then why not 8x AA brownlod medalist, Roo? Hird & Harvey probably should be salty as well if we're counting the 90's.

That's a fair question.

Voss played 161 games in the 2000s. Roo played 163.
Voss had 3x AA selections in the 2000s (of 5 for his entire career). Roo had 4 (of 8 for his entire career).
Roo was the AA Captain 2x in the 2000s, Voss was never the AA Captain.

The difference is that Voss was the premiership captain 3x in the 2000s, whereas Roo's only flag was in the 1990s (and thus ineligible for consideration).

It would appear that being a Premiership Captain was weighted heavily when making the team selections. It also accounts for Selwood's selection, when Roo (and several others) would seemingly have him covered easily when other honours are considered.

 

[Mutineer]

Final Squad for the Indigenous Allstars match, to be trimmed before the game..

Indigenous lads calling for it to be an annual event.

AFL INDIGENOUS ALL-STARS SQUAD

Callum Ah Chee (Brisbane Lions) - Noongar, Palyku and Nyikina, Yawuru

Karl Amon (Hawthorn) - Noonuccal

Shai Bolton (Fremantle) - Minang and Wilman

Jase Burgoyne (Port Adelaide) – Kokatha, Larrakia, Warai

Charlie Cameron (Brisbane Lions) – Waanyi and Lardil

Jeremy Finlayson (Port Adelaide) - Yorta Yorta

Jade Gresham (Essendon) - Yorta Yorta

Bobby Hill (Collingwood) - Whadjuk, Ballardong, Noongar

Brad Hill (St Kilda) - Wilmen, Noongar

Jason Horne-Francis (Port Adelaide) - Wardaman

Lawson Humphries (Geelong) - Nyul Nyul, Oomiday, Worrora

Jarman Impey (Hawthorn) - Yorta Yorta

Joel Jeffrey (Gold Coast) - Kukatj, Wulwulam

Ash Johnson (Collingwood) - Jaru, Kija

Liam Jones (Western Bulldogs) - Kija

Tim Kelly (West Coast) - Noongar, Wongi, Yamatji

Coen Livingstone (West Coast) - Balardong, Noongar


Ben Long (Gold Coast) - Anmatjerre

Steven May (Melbourne) - Larrakia

Jesse Motlop (Carlton) - Larrakia

Alex Pearce (Fremantle) - Palawa

Kysaiah Pickett (Melbourne) - Yamatji, Noongar

Izak Rankine (Adelaide) - Kokatha and Ngarrindjeri

Maurice Rioli (Richmond) - Tiwi

Willie Rioli (Port Adelaide) - Tiwi

Liam Ryan (West Coast) - Yamatji

Jy Simpkin (North Melbourne) - Yorta Yorta

Tyson Stengle (Geelong) - Wirangu

Michael Walters (Fremantle) - Whadjuk, Wilmen and Ngarrindjeri

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (St Kilda) - Kokatha, Narangga

Zac Williams (Carlton) - Wiradjuri.

 

[Mutineer]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-25-jon-ralph-and-glenn-mcfarlane-name-the-10-best-players-of-the-21st-century-so-far/news-story/c840b6b936fdb6882379f485764a75cb

Jon Ralph and Glen McFarlane's top 10 of the 2000's

10

NICK RIEWOLDT​

336 games, 718 goals, 5x All-Australian​

9

MATTHEW SCARLETT​

278 games (in 2000s) 3x premierships, 6x All-Australian​

8

ADAM GOODES​

352 games (in 2000s) 2x Brownlow Medals, 2x premierships​

7

MICHAEL VOSS​

161 games (in 2000s) 3x premiership captain​

6

SCOTT PENDLEBURY​

403 games, 2x premierships, 6x All Australian​

5

PATRICK DANGERFIELD​

337 games, 335 goals, 8x All-Australian​

4

CHRIS JUDD​

279 games, 1x premiership, 2x Brownlow Medals​

3

DUSTIN MARTIN​

302 games, 338 goals, 3x Norm Smith Medals​

2

GARY ABLETT JNR​

357 games, 445 goals, 2x premierships​

1

LANCE FRANKLIN​

354 games, 1066 goals, 2x premierships​

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

No Luke Hodge?

I'd have him above Judd, Dangerfield, Scarlett, Riewoldt

 

[GreyCrow]

No Luke Hodge?

I'd have him above Judd, Dangerfield, Scarlett, Riewoldt

Back flank

 

[Cromulant]

No Luke Hodge?

I'd have him above Judd, Dangerfield, Scarlett, Riewoldt

Judd and Scarlett ??

Different players of course but its hard to argue those 2 were amongst the best 2 or 3 in their positions.

 

[GROTTO]

West Coast forward Liam Ryan has been cleared after investigations by the AFL and WA Police found he and his companions were the victims of an attack, a portion of which was caught on camera.

‘They were the victims’: Eagles star cleared by AFL and WA police over fight footage

‘They were the victims’: Eagles star cleared by AFL and WA police over fight footage

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[1970crow]

Selwood was a star and stood up in countless finals but some gloss/respect gets taken off him because of the ducking

Put his personal well-being behind winning a free kick for his team, doesn't diminish him in my eyes.

 

[footy4ever]

If you'd been AA 8 times, and AA captain twice, and a Brownlow winner, I'd have thought you'd be a Monty.

Roo very stiff I reckon.

 

[Vader]

If you'd been AA 8 times, and AA captain twice, and a Brownlow winner, I'd have thought you'd be a Monty.

Roo very stiff I reckon.

3 of those AAs were outside the eligibility period, as was his only premiership.