Opinion Non-Crows AFL 11

[MarcusP2]

I just realised we're looking at a potential Showdown GF in the AFLW...

And according to the AFL website, it would be at Norwood Oval. That might be a bad idea. AO not available?

Plus we play like shit at Norwood for some reason.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I just realised we're looking at a potential Showdown GF in the AFLW...

And according to the AFL website, it would be at Norwood Oval. That might be a bad idea. AO not available?

The Mt Barker Oval is available

 

[Cromulant]

Plus we play like shit at Norwood for some reason.

Except yesterday

 

[Mostyn]

The rebuild didn't start until after the 17th placed North Melbourne crushed us by 10 goals in 2020, when we had Gibbs, Atkins, Knight, etc in the side.

Ridiculous.

At the end of 2019, the Crows got rid of -

Eddie Betts, Richard Douglas, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Hugh Greenwood, Sam Jacobs, Josh Jenkins, Alex Keath, and Andy Otten.

Eight senior players. And six of them played for another club the following year.

Anyone who thinks deciding to do that WASN'T choosing to start the rebuild - especially when most of those players wanted to stay - is acting the fool.

 

[Mostyn]

That game felt like the time when Matthew Nicks asked the question "did I really get myself into a full rebuild?"

And the answer was a resounding yes

He was playing the best possible players available to him with what was left of the list. He needed to know what he had

 

[George Kramer]

Depends on which camp you're arguing from .....the "we're 6 years into a rebuild" ....or the "we're 4 years into a rebuild"

Yes, you’re either in sycophants deluded corner thinking we’ve been rebuilding for 6 years or the realists thinking we went rebuild when we finished bottom in 2020 and realised how shit we were and we thought let’s take advantaged of these low picks and rebuild.

Our rebuild has significantly benefited from being shit with the number of low picks, Roo was on record in 2020 when we were shit that the club expected us to be a lot better but the remaining senior players underperformed.

Had we performed better in 2020 we wouldn’t have Thilthorpe for starters.

 

[George Kramer]

Ridiculous.

At the end of 2019, the Crows got rid of -

Eddie Betts, Richard Douglas, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Hugh Greenwood, Sam Jacobs, Josh Jenkins, Alex Keath, and Andy Otten.

Eight senior players. And six of them played for another club the following year.

Anyone who thinks deciding to do that WASN'T choosing to start the rebuild - especially when most of those players wanted to stay - is acting the fool.

We did not get rid of Greenwood, Keath and Jacobs we offered them contracts.

Otten and Douglas retired, their AFL careers finished.

Betts and Jenkins fall out from the camp and Betts had he wanted to stay we would have kept him.

Cam Ellis-Yolmen? Really?

Anyone who thinks we were in full rebuild is not acting the fool, is a sucky fool.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Ridiculous.

At the end of 2019, the Crows got rid of -

Eddie Betts, Richard Douglas, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Hugh Greenwood, Sam Jacobs, Josh Jenkins, Alex Keath, and Andy Otten.

Eight senior players. And six of them played for another club the following year.

Anyone who thinks deciding to do that WASN'T choosing to start the rebuild - especially when most of those players wanted to stay - is acting the fool.

How many of that group finished Top 10 in our B&F that year?

 

[1970crow]

I think you'll find the call was made after 2018 season showed this list wasn't able to resurrected .....you have to factor in existing Contracts, which impacts how quickly we can exit players

In 2016/17 we would have been contracting players for an extended run of success

So after 6 full seasons of rebuild, we finished 15th. That's worse.

 

[Mostyn]

How many of that group finished Top 10 in our B&F that year?

How many of them were best 22 and being selected every week?

How often do clubs delist eight senior players who are getting regular games?

It's absolutely obvious we were starting the rebuild then. Anyone who doesn't think that has an axe to grind.

 

[1970crow]

Ridiculous.

At the end of 2019, the Crows got rid of -

Eddie Betts, Richard Douglas, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Hugh Greenwood, Sam Jacobs, Josh Jenkins, Alex Keath, and Andy Otten.

Eight senior players. And six of them played for another club the following year.

Anyone who thinks deciding to do that WASN'T choosing to start the rebuild - especially when most of those players wanted to stay - is acting the fool.

JJ and Betts didn't want to stay, Sauce,Otto and Dougie were cooked, the others we offered 2 year contracts + triggers to. We just misjudged how long they had left in the game. Our 2020 list was about a month younger on average than the premier. Plus you're deliberately ignoring the recruiting of mid aged players Crocker, Keays and Frampton.

 

[1970crow]

How many of them were best 22 and being selected every week?

How often do clubs delist eight senior players who are getting regular games?

It's absolutely obvious we were starting the rebuild then. Anyone who doesn't think that has an axe to grind.

The only one in your list was Eddie Betts. Every other player played SANFL during 2019.

 

[1970crow]

How many of them were best 22 and being selected every week?

How often do clubs delist eight senior players who are getting regular games?

It's absolutely obvious we were starting the rebuild then. Anyone who doesn't think that has an axe to grind.

Can you list these 8 delisted senior players? 2 retired, a 3rd should have, but 4 had contract offers from the club and 2 were pushed out over the camp fallout. And we brought in 3 mature bodies on top of our draft picks, which included 24yo McAdam. Dougie, Otto and Sauce played 17 games between them and lots of SANFL. CEY, Greenwood, Keath and JJ all played SANFL during the year. So of the 5 that could've played on, we tried to cover with 3 mature bodies, 2 of which are still playing, one having a premiership medallion.

What you desperately want to believe just didn't happen, it's that simple.

 

[George Kramer]

Can you list these 8 delisted senior players? 2 retired, a 3rd should have, but 4 had contract offers from the club and 2 were pushed out over the camp fallout. And we brought in 3 mature bodies on top of our draft picks, which included 24yo McAdam. Dougie, Otto and Sauce played 17 games between them and lots of SANFL. CEY, Greenwood, Keath and JJ all played SANFL during the year. So of the 5 that could've played on, we tried to cover with 3 mature bodies, 2 of which are still playing, one having a premiership medallion.

What you desperately want to believe just didn't happen, it's that simple.

And he reckons we’ve got an agenda, at least ours opinion is based on facts, he won’t name the 8 as he can’t

 

[1970crow]

And he reckons we’ve got an agenda, at least ours opinion is based on facts, he won’t name the 8 as he can’t

He just can’t bring himself to accept that we finished last unless we deliberately made ourselves bad. You have to wonder about the agenda of someone that deletes their long held account because a criticism of club employees could be linked to them.