Opinion Non-Crows AFL 6: This Is Getting Cruel

[Geoffa32]

I get it, we’re better than St Kilda, but that’s about it!

Are we better than Freo?

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[pjcrows]

Port CEO: "We want to win 3 flags in the next 5 years"

Also Port CEO: "Look, we've been rebuilding since 1997"

"I genuinely believe it has taken us 25 years to rebuild the real Port Adelaide Football Club after a somewhat traumatic entry to the AFL. That’s real.”

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Port CEO: "We want to win 3 flags in the next 5 years"

Also Port CEO: "Look, we've been rebuilding since 1997"

Traumatic for them to come into the AFL.. Wtf?

 

[Scorpus]

Port CEO: "We want to win 3 flags in the next 5 years"

Also Port CEO: "Look, we've been rebuilding since 1997"

Interesting strategy to admit you weren't a real club for 25 years

 

[Slippery Pete]

Traumatic for them to come into the AFL.. Wtf?

Their first two years were pretty traumatic. Maybe that’s what he’s talking about!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting strategy to admit you weren't a real club for 25 years

Are they really club yet?

If so traumatic, perhaps they give up their license for someone like Norwood lol.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Their first two years were pretty traumatic. Maybe that’s what he’s talking about!

Probably traumatic when they realised they are now the small fish in the big pond...

 

[1970crow]

Disagree. It's a long time ago and I'd have to go digging for a link, but my recollection is clear that what he actually said - not the way Jason Mifsud interpreted it - was not racist. It was blunt, and perhaps clumsy, but it was not racist.

Edit: Here's a link:

Sorry Rendell: I'm not racist

Comment an example of what could occur if AFL did not remedy high attrition rate of indigenous players.

www.theage.com.au

Maybe it wasn't a very, shall be say, diplomatic way to express himself, but it was not, as was alleged / implied at the time, a statement that he / the club would only recruit players with at least one white parent, it was a statement about what might happen if better mechanisms weren't put in place to support indigenous recruits.

Mifsud should have said "hang on a minute Matt, that's taking it a bit far" but instead he decided to go the "reporting for racism" route.

So outraged was he that it took a couple of months to report it. Coincidentally at the same time Liam Jurrah had machete incident number 1.

 

[Sanders]

Seems to me that one of the outcomes will be that people will be shocked about how much work and wide ranging the roles the player welfare teams put in

And If Rendell and Adam Simpson have already flagged concerns about whether it will always be worth it, this could have all sorts it long term, negative consequences

 

[1970crow]

Yes because the old couple would know that rule. FMD!

I expect they were running a bit amok or that's what she thought.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Traumatic for them to come into the AFL.. Wtf?

The victim mentality of that dogshit club knows no bounds.

they literally have to continue with this underdog, worlds against them, struggle to exist fxxkn nonsense to keep their dumbfxxk supporter base engaged.

the reality.. which is them being a bunch of whinging, whining, entitled flogs who constantly has their hand out asking to be propped up by the rest of the league.. isn’t as glamorous and appealing..

 

[Sanders]

I expect they were running a bit amok or that's what she thought.

He’s been steadfast about not naming the pool.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I expect they were running a bit amok or that's what she thought.

but just about all kids that age run amok..

especially if they are on holidays and in an exciting environment like a big resort pool..

my two lads would be going off!.. not saying that in a bad way though, just running around, doing bombs in the pool, yelling and playing.. as young kids want to do..

these pompous old farts either can’t handle very young kids having a bit of fun or it was a racism thing..

either way the lifeguard should’ve ignored their whinging…

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

but just about all kids that age run amok..

especially if they are on holidays and in an exciting environment like a big resort pool..

my two lads would be going off!.. not saying that in a bad way though, just running around, doing bombs in the pool, yelling and playing.. as young kids want to do..

these pompous old farts either can’t handle very young kids having a bit of fun or it was a racism thing..

either way the lifeguard should’ve ignored their whinging…

Public pools are anal about parental supervision especially with young kids under 5. There’s signs everywhere. I’m betting the reason why Eddie was told off had nothing at all to do with race and everything to do with making sure his kids didn’t drown.

 

[Bearded Clam]

He’s been steadfast about not naming the pool.

Maybe he doesn’t want to bring the companies name into it.. as he doesn’t blame them and would hate for them to get even a single drop of bad publicity from it when it’s the two old farts that were the ones being pricks whether their request to the lifeguard was due to racism or not..

 

[Sanders]

Maybe he doesn’t want to bring the companies name into it.. as he doesn’t blame them and would hate for them to get even a single drop of bad publicity from it when it’s the two old farts that were the ones being pricks whether their request to the lifeguard was due to racism or not..

if he names the pool, the story will be chased down

 

[Bearded Clam]

Public pools are anal about parental supervision especially with young kids under 5. There’s signs everywhere. I’m betting the reason why Eddie was told off had nothing at all to do with race and everything to do with making sure his kids didn’t drown.

But in that case then the request should’ve come from the lifeguard himself.. not the old couple via the lifeguard..

the lifeguard should’ve said “sorry, you’re breaking the rules buddy” not “see that old couple over there... they want you and your kids gone”

and we’re all assuming here that it was just Eddie and his kids.. maybe his missus was there too and so the Betts family was actually within the “enough adults per children“ rules.. which is a rule I strangely have never heard of.. have never seen it up here in QLD..

is it a SA state government rule?..

pool rules, fencing and signage are generally the domain of the local council who inspect them and sign them off before opening..

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

But in that case then the request should’ve come from the lifeguard himself.. not the old couple via the lifeguard..

the lifeguard should’ve said “sorry, you’re breaking the rules buddy” not “see that old couple over there... they want you and your kids gone”

and we’re all assuming here that it was just Eddie and his kids.. maybe his missus was there too and so the Betts family was actually within the “enough adults per children“ rules.. which is a rule I strangely have never heard of.. have never seen it up here in QLD..

is it a SA state government rule?..

pool rules, fencing and signage are generally the domain of the local council who inspect them and sign them off before opening..

I would say every state has rules or guidelines. I can’t profess to be an expert. But there’s a ton of holes in Eddie’s story that quite frankly I don’t believe him that a lifeguard asked him to leave because an old couple said they were making their grandchild uncomfortable.

I am not pretending racism doesn’t exist but I don’t believe it exists that a couple old folks can get a black family ejected from a pool for being black.

But maybe I’m naive??

I would have thought the lifeguard would have told the old couple to do one in that case. And if he followed through with it, I can’t imagine Eddie would have left quietly.

 

[baldandbroke]

I would say every state has rules or guidelines. I can’t profess to be an expert. But there’s a ton of holes in Eddie’s story that quite frankly I don’t believe him that a lifeguard asked him to leave because an old couple said they were making their grandchild uncomfortable.

I am not pretending racism doesn’t exist but I don’t believe it exists that a couple old folks can get a black family ejected from a pool for being black.

But maybe I’m naive??

I would have thought the lifeguard would have told the old couple to do one in that case. And if he followed through with it, I can’t imagine Eddie would have left quietly.

I think everyone is missing the point and getting stuck on the details.

These rules everyone is debating are not like that, there are recommendations based around ages and how you should supervise ... the rest is fluid. RLSS just changed their whole setup to encourage each pool to set its own guidelines rather than handing down a set of rules for everyone - they even have an online tool to help pools setup their pool rules.

Anyway, the point that I think Eddie is making is that he was targeted because he is black. That there are many instances in his life where his skin colour means he gets picked out and treated differently. He also used the security guard following him around the shop example.

So you could imagine a heap of parents and kids in the pool, all doing their thing, and for some reason Eddie gets plucked out and chatted to by the lifeguard. God knows what it was about, what was the reason - but I wouldn't doubt that someone didn't like what they saw and picked him out of the crowd - and the probability that that something was based on skin colour, higher than a lot on here seem to be able to accept.

Why anyone would debate the detail I don't know. Feels very irrelevant to me. Eddie experiences racism every day, that is the point.

Posters like Sanders stating that Eddie is lying based on nothing more than his gut feel? Pretty strong stance for someone who knows nothing about any of it ... and it feels like a stupid battle to take up arms over.

 

[70lethal]

We were doing a job in the far north of SA 2 weeks ago and I was surprised by quite a few older people's racism.

I'm not saying they would say it to an indigenous person directly but I was quite shocked.
We had an apprentice with us and the innuendo they were throwing at him regarding indigenous women was appalling.

So nothing would surprise me coming from older generations as many have a sense of entitlement and insensitivity.

 

[MRB37]

Let it never again be said that the media in this town is Crows leaning.

“INDEPENDENT” Daily my arse

Let’s get Malinauskas to be political editor while you’re at it

Divided we fall: Keeping the faith for Power's premiership push - InDaily

Is Port Adelaide flagging under the heavy expectation of "Chasing Greatness"? Michelangelo Rucci talks to the mission statement's author - now club CEO - about unity, division and direction in the drive for a premiership.

indaily.com.au

It’s actually quite a funny article. Everything’s roses because fat Rioli wants to take their handfuls of cash, and Dixon was runner up in the Coleman a few years back

Rucci is on Ports payroll, so hardly worth bothering with anything he says/writes.

 

[Sanders]

I think everyone is missing the point and getting stuck on the details.

These rules everyone is debating are not like that, there are recommendations based around ages and how you should supervise ... the rest is fluid. RLSS just changed their whole setup to encourage each pool to set its own guidelines rather than handing down a set of rules for everyone - they even have an online tool to help pools setup their pool rules.

Anyway, the point that I think Eddie is making is that he was targeted because he is black. That there are many instances in his life where his skin colour means he gets picked out and treated differently. He also used the security guard following him around the shop example.

So you could imagine a heap of parents and kids in the pool, all doing their thing, and for some reason Eddie gets plucked out and chatted to by the lifeguard. God knows what it was about, what was the reason - but I wouldn't doubt that someone didn't like what they saw and picked him out of the crowd - and the probability that that something was based on skin colour, higher than a lot on here seem to be able to accept.

Why anyone would debate the detail I don't know. Feels very irrelevant to me. Eddie experiences racism every day, that is the point.

Posters like Sanders stating that Eddie is lying based on nothing more than his gut feel? Pretty strong stance for someone who knows nothing about any of it ... and it feels like a stupid battle to take up arms over.

I find it amazing that you’ve suspended all critical thought because there is an issue of race involved.

That doesn’t do anyone any good

 

[Entitled01]

I think everyone is missing the point and getting stuck on the details.

These rules everyone is debating are not like that, there are recommendations based around ages and how you should supervise ... the rest is fluid. RLSS just changed their whole setup to encourage each pool to set its own guidelines rather than handing down a set of rules for everyone - they even have an online tool to help pools setup their pool rules.

Anyway, the point that I think Eddie is making is that he was targeted because he is black. That there are many instances in his life where his skin colour means he gets picked out and treated differently. He also used the security guard following him around the shop example.

So you could imagine a heap of parents and kids in the pool, all doing their thing, and for some reason Eddie gets plucked out and chatted to by the lifeguard. God knows what it was about, what was the reason - but I wouldn't doubt that someone didn't like what they saw and picked him out of the crowd - and the probability that that something was based on skin colour, higher than a lot on here seem to be able to accept.

Why anyone would debate the detail I don't know. Feels very irrelevant to me. Eddie experiences racism every day, that is the point.

Posters like Sanders stating that Eddie is lying based on nothing more than his gut feel? Pretty strong stance for someone who knows nothing about any of it ... and it feels like a stupid battle to take up arms over.

Sanders has not said Eddie’s lying. He’s stating none of us know the details. Eddie has made his judgement it was a racist situation and it would only be fair to ask questions about why it wasn’t dealt with at the time to corroborate or debunk this claim.

 

[baldandbroke]

I find it amazing that you’ve suspended all critical thought because there is an issue of race involved.

That doesn’t do anyone any good

Critical thought? How so?

You are lost in the trees my friend.

If you somehow think that this discussion is about critical analysis of who said what at a pool - you are chasing the wrong goose.

What doesn't do anyone any good is trying to paint Eddie as stretching his stories to create an image that somehow serves him personally. Instead of seeing that Eddie is talking about the same ol' racism problem that is too common and needs to be focus of the discussion.

You have no idea what happened at the pool - an example Eddie used to describe how he deals with racism everyday, but you instantly went down this path:

I’m saying that story is bullshit

That a life guard went over to a very famous personality and told that famous person he had to leave because some racists wanted him to?

Pass the mayo.

Anyone else find it interesting that Eddie has refused to identify the pool since he mentioned the story? He’s been asked.

Now of course that would lead the pool operator to be able to track back, and identify the people and circumstances.

I’ve no doubt that some of that story involves undisputed facts, and perhaps there are elements where recollections may differ

That’s what Eddie said.

Would be pretty easy to track down too if only Eddie would share some more detail

He’s been steadfast about not naming the pool.

I know you aren't arguing that Eddie doesn't deal with racism constantly, I'm almost certain you know that is true ... so why harp on this angle? Seems petty to me.

Are you trying to paint Eddie in a certain light? Dismantle his story so that we can see that actually racism is not a rampant as Eddie thinks? You are pushing the "When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail" angle. That is a weak line of argument when talking about racism in Australia imo.

 

[baldandbroke]

Sanders has not said Eddie’s lying. He’s stating none of us know the details. Eddie has made his judgement it was a racist situation and it would only be fair to ask questions about why it wasn’t dealt with at the time to corroborate or debunk this claim.

He said the story is bullshit.