Opinion Non-Crows AFL 8 - Daddy Donuts Delivers Dream Drubbing

[Mostyn]

Think we would all chip in to have Christian leave.

The ironical thing is imo he is right on this one... yet could be the case that ends his career.

Wasn't he saying this shouldn't even be heard?

Of course it should be heard.

It's absolutely fine for it to be no matches if that's what comes from a fair process, but there can't be no hearing at all.

 

[Geoffa32]

Going for the speccy is much less likely to cause concussion, because both are moving in the same direction and the change of relative momentum will be much less. In the head-on case here, the change of relative momentum is huge because the participants' momenta are in opposite directions.

True.



But if a guy is already suspecticle to concussion from slight head knock it could happen.

That is the case here.

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[jackster83]

Watch this drag on until midnight.

The AFL will be LOVING this with all the website hits, media attention, etc. Any publicity is good publicity.

 

[GROTTO]

Watch this drag on until midnight.

The AFL will be LOVING this with all the website hits, media attention, etc. Any publicity is good publicity.

Midnight?

This will go into tomorrow at least, AFL would hope for a suspension so that the Pies appeal it.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Jumping into players' heads for "football actions" like smothers and marks will be banned in the next few years regardless of this Tribunal outcome IMO

They've done so for bumps, then tackles, even though both are football actions too. Makes sense they would also outlaw jumping into a player's head. Players will get weeks for anything that hits the head with force and causes a concussion.

Not agreeing or disagreeing but…

Then stick a fork in it. The game is done and over. it will be completely cooked...

 

[rabidcrow]

That being said, I still view the incident as football action accident and with new footage that shows Brayshaw already had a heavy head clash earlier in the game in a collision with Taylor Adams Knee I'm wondering why more questions aren't being asked of Melbourne's medical team as he should have already been off the ground. That could have been a contributing factor, if it was Petracca who got hit and he got straight back up this wouldn't even be an incident.

So now not only do you have to have a duty of care you need to know all the players with concussion issues and be even more gentle with them because they get concussion easier than others?? That's crap, you know the risks when you enter a footy field.

Is it a standard footy action though? I have watched footy for 40 odd years - I can’t ever recall a play kicking the ball getting knocked out during an attempted smother

Can you recall one? That was the 208th game this season alone - never seen it before

And if it was an intraclub game - do you think Pendlebury is being stretchered off or does Maynard put his arms out to protect them both?


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[rabidcrow]

Not agreeing or disagreeing but…

Then stick a fork in it. The game is done and over. it will be completely cooked...

Disagree with it being finished - how often do these type of incidents happen, either marking contests or smothers. Virtually never

Even the crack down on tackles - we get 900-1000 tackles a week and average about 1 that gets games - so 1 in a thousand get it wrong

Not the end of the world


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[cleanhands]

Not agreeing or disagreeing but…

Then stick a fork in it. The game is done and over. it will be completely cooked...

see what’s happening………. They want a mixed league

 

[Multiballz]

see what’s happening………. They want a mixed league

Mixed with what? Chess?

 

[FR0GGY]

So we going to expect Maynard to know brayshaw will fall off to the side? Without this contact most likely doesn’t occur.
Maynard cannot be expected to account for random things once in the air.

Mostyn thoughts?

 

[feenix67]

Sure - so, in this case Maynard has sprinted at a player, leapt in the air, and then crashed into him. Each of those are choices and each come with a duty of care.

Good on him for trying for a defensive act, and trying to put pressure on the player disposing of it, but you don't get to waive responsibility because of that. It was clearly a reckless attack on the ball.

A reckless attack on the ball... now I've heard everything

 

[cleanhands]

Mixed with what? Chess?

eQual opportunity

 

[Sanders]

Shepherding is a football action. You knock someone out, it's still time.

He chose to do this. Sprinted at him, leapt in the air, collected him on the way down. It's undeniably reckless.

I agree. He lept in the air, at him, front on, out of control - that’s reckless

I remember when Shaun Burgoyne got a long suspension a few years because his feet left the ground and his body was out of control - that was deemed reckless

I think leaving the ground and leaping toward the player, front on is a very bad combination and then when you add in being out of control and impact - he’s in trouble

He had no reasonable expectation of where he was going to land either

Maybe it wasn’t malicious but it was negligent

 

[feenix67]

Is it a standard footy action though? I have watched footy for 40 odd years - I can’t ever recall a play kicking the ball getting knocked out during an attempted smother

Can you recall one? That was the 208th game this season alone - never seen it before

And if it was an intraclub game - do you think Pendlebury is being stretchered off or does Maynard put his arms out to protect them both?


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The reason you can't recall it is because this situation involves a player who was susceptible to concussion and had already copped a head knock during the game.

Seriously I wonder sometimes how many of you have actually played football.

 

[Sanders]

Yep I’ve posted a few times the screen shots that clearly show brayshaw fell to the side post kicking.
They would have most likely missed had he continued on the path he was on when Maynard made his original decision.
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If that’s such a natural action, such an ordinary football event; how come it’s so rare?

 

[Scorpus]

Not agreeing or disagreeing but…

Then stick a fork in it. The game is done and over. it will be completely cooked...

I don't think the game would be any worse off if what Maynard did was banned

 

[Sanders]

Kane should step down immediately. Ridiculous to do what she has done.

Disagree. That’s the thing about having actual executive authority over an organisation - you have responsibility for the organisation as a whole; far beyond just the line functions

Middle managers operate in a vacuum, senior executive leaders have to consider the wider whole

 

[Scorpus]

I agree. He lept in the air, at him, front on, out of control - that’s reckless

I remember when Shaun Burgoyne got a long suspension a few years because his feet left the ground and his body was out of control - that was deemed reckless

I think leaving the ground and leaping toward the player, front on is a very bad combination and then when you add in being out of control and impact - he’s in trouble

He had no reasonable expectation of where he was going to land either

Maybe it wasn’t malicious but it was negligent

He'd maybe have more of a case that it wasn't reckless if he actually touched the ball but it didn't seem like he got near it so you'd have to wonder how necessary the action was

 

[FR0GGY]

If that’s such a natural action, such an ordinary football event; how come it’s so rare?

Because you had two things at play someone running and jumping and the kicker moving sideways after he’s kicked it.

 

[FR0GGY]

Disagree. That’s the thing about having actual executive authority over an organisation - you have responsibility for the organisation as a whole; far beyond just the line functions

Middle managers operate in a vacuum, senior executive leaders have to consider the wider whole

Yeah look I’ll happily concede I may have got that one wrong.

 

[Sanders]

Is it a standard footy action though? I have watched footy for 40 odd years - I can’t ever recall a play kicking the ball getting knocked out during an attempted smother

Can you recall one? That was the 208th game this season alone - never seen it before

And if it was an intraclub game - do you think Pendlebury is being stretchered off or does Maynard put his arms out to protect them both?


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That’s my feeling too

If it’s so regular how come I’ve never seen it before?

 

[FR0GGY]

He'd maybe have more of a case that it wasn't reckless if he actually touched the ball but it didn't seem like he got near it so you'd have to wonder how necessary the action was

Didn’t get near it?
It goes past his elbow.

 

[Sanders]

He'd maybe have more of a case that it wasn't reckless if he actually touched the ball but it didn't seem like he got near it so you'd have to wonder how necessary the action was

Unrealistic smother attempt?

 

[feenix67]

I agree. He lept in the air, at him, front on, out of control - that’s reckless

I remember when Shaun Burgoyne got a long suspension a few years because his feet left the ground and his body was out of control - that was deemed reckless

I think leaving the ground and leaping toward the player, front on is a very bad combination and then when you add in being out of control and impact - he’s in trouble

He had no reasonable expectation of where he was going to land either

Maybe it wasn’t malicious but it was negligent

Maynard doesn't run in and attempt that smother and he gets a mouthful from the coach for lack of commitment.

You cannot run onto the field in a contact sport and not expect incidental or accidental contact. I'm all for protocols around concussion, but the player accepts a certain amount of risk when they run onto the park.

You reckon a basketballer gets suspended for accidently collecting someone with an elbow on the way down from a dunk? Of course not. If you don't want to cop an impact injury, don't play a team sport, play tennis or golf or something.

This hand wringing is rubbish.

 

[Sanders]

Yeah look I’ll happily concede I may have got that one wrong.

You can argue she got a decision wrong, but not that it wasn’t a decision she could make

That’s all. It’s well within her purview